What is Digg?230 Comments
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+184From calacantis.com
"Kevin Rose is going to make millions of dollars (perhaps tens of millions) when he sells DIGG to Yahoo (my best guess). When he does sell DIGG--and trust me it will be sold before in the next 12 months--he will have done it on the backs of those top 50 members. Those top 50 members will get exactly... ummm..... nothing."
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Too bad users don't submit stories to become rich. They submit stories to promote success within the community. Paying the top users would only motivate them to submit stories based on what they think would get a lot of diggs, not necessarily what is cool or what they think is cool. Nice try Calacantis... - dlprager, on 10/12/2007, -9/+113I must have dburka's baby for having the world's fastest RSS reader on kevin rose's site that hasn't been updated in months
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -23/+74You two both sound like a couple of losers...
- jesusphreak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45> Paying the top users would only motivate them to submit stories based on what they think would get a lot of diggs, not necessarily what is cool or what they think is cool.
Isn't that what happens already? Dirtyfraboy (by far the most active member), submits just about everything on popurl's (an aggregator for all the major Slashdot/Reddit/Newsvine, etc sites) frontpage.
I think that some of Digg's most active members are literally addicted to it. Submitting popular stories gives them self-confidence. Hey, I'm not saying all of them are like that, I'm just saying that when you spend hours upon hours upon hours using an alias to submit stories to a site that is profiting upon you...well, that's an interesting way to spend your life. - Kericr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45I'm not digging this. Not because I don't think it's worthy of a digg (because I do), but I simply don't want to give that attention whore Calacanis any attention whatsoever.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39Verucasalt, you again? I thought I blocked you.
- rot97, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Digg is a democracy, so far. I hope no one gets paid because that takes the equality and makes the people who get paid, basically moderators, or "anchors". Please, when you make a new site and want to start a fight with someone, at least innovate! If i make an exact copy of a site, with less features, and then pay people from the better site to come to mine, that just sounds like I'm a complete *****, and I'm not going to win anyway. Digg releases new features which are very innovative and are like nothing any other site has- digg spy, and stack/swarm in digg labs. Gotta love that. The reason this site is popular is because there are hundreds of people digging a story that interests them. I dont want to go to netscape to see something one anchor likes on top.. Many of its users, like me, and many top users have grown loyal to digg(like people loyal to slashdot) and will not leave to a petty competitor. Create new things! Innovate! That's how digg got me hooked, and netscape/jason don't realize that's how it really works.
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34I saw Calacanis on TWIT Video a while ago, and I just wanted to punch him in the face. Ironically he IS a twit, and a jerk, and an *****. He was treating the guy who owns Rocketboom like a piece of dirt stuck to his shoe. Anything bad he gets as a result of his actions he probably deserves, he brings it on himself. His attitude sucks, he doesn't care about people, he only cares about number 1, ***** him!!
- kurupt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29@Schug
That would be the correct answer, if it was actually Kevin who submitted it.
(It was actually submitted by Daniel Burka) - choice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28The argument that Digg and Flickr make a ton of money off of their power users at the expense of those users is really misguided. All community-driven, online destinations rely on power users. Power users are driven to be power users for no other reason than their own narcissism. It's hard to get recognized for anything in this world. at least you can be number one some place and it may as well be Digg. That doesn't mean that the company *owes* them something in return. The top users get just as much out of the experience as the company does. They are both benefiting, just not in the same way.
It is the community that will determine whether the act of posting and digging is its own means to an end; or whether the reward for this activity needs to become something more tangible. I don't think we're there yet. By the logic Calcanis is using here, top players in WoW should be paid to play because they make such a large contribution to the community. But what message does that send to your other users, "Stop playing. This game is for the elite, only." That is the EXACT opposite of what community-driven means. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30ha! my favorite part:
"clone on!" - mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -16/+37Kevin Rose, Digg, Diggnation, and democratic society as a whole FTW!!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Oops, i meant to type calacanis.com and Jason Calacanis...
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28dude Daniel Burka and Kevin are close friends they might even live together, not sure though, Kevin blurbed about that somewhere (TWiT or Diggnation) so Burka may have been there before Kevin posted that.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20I'm sorry Mr. Calaconis but you have been a real ass lately. You claim buying out top users from various social networking sites such as Digg will improve your site. You are dead wrong, people have to be attracted to your site which you evidently lack the know how of doing and users have to communicate their way not yours. When you give users an incentive such as money it becomes a job for them and the social chemistry fails but yet it is hard for you to comprehend that. Also Mr. Calaconis, STFU and go back to your failed Netscape site and leave us alone, you ***** is quite annoying.
Had to get that off my chest :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32Wow. I just read Calacanis' post. He sucks at English. He has horrible grammar and spelling. How does he have authority over anyone?
Also, why does he keep capitalizing digg? - ub3rgeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Wow I'm actual surprised about how intelligently this was written. (sorry not to say Kevin is un-intelligent, its just the fact that I've never heard him speak when he is not drunk).
good response - kurupt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I don't see how alienating the current userbase is going to bring in more traffic to the site. Just because you steal away contributors like BloodJunkie or dirtyfratboy doesn't mean that the rest of us who enjoy the stories they submit are going to jump ship with them. Before, AlbertPacino was setting the bar for really great stories on digg. He hasn't been on this site in quite some time. So, even if you're able to capture a few of the people who make digg a great community, others in the community will rise up and take their place. That's what makes *this* a great community.
- FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22no, nation, you pressed the wrong key.
digg 2.0 < digg 3.0
with digg 3 we dont have those "tHis is in the wronG section" comments. - ipodman715, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yeah, they bashed Calacanis on Diggnation!
- FRAGaLOT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14If you all saw Diggnation this week, Kevin totaly burns on Jason. WTG!
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15dude Daniel Burka is the original digg designer from 1.0.
And Kevin Rose, your the man i hope Calacanis and you are on the next TWiT.
You know Leo will want it.
Thanks for finally shutting up that annoying PR of a man. - idesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Gotta love a nerd pissing contest.
This was Rose's idea. While its true that Digg is nothing without its users, Kevin and his team spent all this time developing the platform that people found interesting and wanted to use, and wanted to spend time on.
Kevin et all deserve to reap the benefits of taking a great idea and turning it into reality.
In the future Kev, just ignore this loser. Responding to him gives his comments credibility... stay away from the flame! - Beelzebub, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Ummm...Prager and Kevin are also friends...Daniel Burka works on Digg i believe, and Prager works on Rev3 stuff...and AFAIK Kevin was roommates with Dan Huard and Keith, he moved out and now doesn't like Comcast(no i dont stalk them, i just have no life)
and Kevin might have called Daniel and said "Hey, check out my new blog post," I dont know. - ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17@nevas
Dude, Netscape completely ripped off the idea behind digg without offering anything new and now they are trying to take away some of our biggest submitters (I say 'our' because we are all a part of this community). Seems pretty obvious to me that Kevin has a right to be pissed. - steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12if i was KR i would shoot you in the bawls;
1. for calling me KR
and
2. for suggesting that I would ever even think of selling digg - fitzfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11If top users were getting paid...
Every story would be The AMAZING LEAKED EXCLUSIVE APPLE story
People would be creating tons of accounts just to digg their own stories
...and Al Pacino would be rich
- ersnyder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Digg on Diggers.
Down with Netscape. - bonlebon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14fight
FIGHT
F I G H T
F I G H T !!!!!!!! - treblig, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Netscape has become the new evil. There's comments like "Down with Netscape". It just goes to show how 1 boneheaded move can send your entire reputation and internet following down the tubes (literally, as we all know the internet is a series of tubes, not a dump truck).
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I almost don't want to digg it because of how much I don't care about Netscape.
- etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14A story about a response in a blog from Digg's founder to an attention whore who slandered Digg shouldn't make it to the front page. I appreciate the sentiment of it all, but calling this Tech Industry News is demeaning to the subject and proposterously self-serving.
In the blogs... yes. On Digg... no. - h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13holy *****.. maybe it's because i've had a few drinks tonight.. but i really don't need to read about a ***** internet pissing match between what are probably two future millionaires.
Kevin, great work on the site, sure..
Netscape guy, rock on, good idea.
jesus christ it's like kindergarten.. if kevin doesn't want to revenue share or pay people so be it.. we'll see if digg succeeds without the 'top 50 posters"
which it will..
stop the internet whining/pissing match.. just because you are all technology guys doesn't mean you need to act like ***** kids.. that's what gives us a bad name..
well that and internet herpes. - allaboutdatiki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Remember when Netscape was really cool and all our troubles seemed so far away? Oh Jason Calacanis, you're sofa king yesterday ...
- phool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I love it "you don't submit stories to digg to get something"
Here is a questing "what if you could??"
your addicted to digg, you love the site, you love submitting stories, sounds like a dream job if you could get paid for it!! - sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Since launch there have been 38,848 popular homepage stories, of which 11,943 were from the 'Top 100'."
Now we can finally dismiss that story from 5 days ago, that got 4218 diggs, which said that 56% of the frontpage was controlled by the top-100. - ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Jason got BURNED!
yeah, that about sums it up. - tacom8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7uh, if anyone should be compensated wouldn't be those that are linked to from digg and whatever.. Aren't these the people that are actually creating the content, not the schmuck that submits the link.
/and we can all guess how that would turn out, paid anything just won't work - bs0l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I remember a while ago on diggnation Kevin said he wanted to start something with somebody. I believe he said with other podcasts out there, but I think this is just as close.
netwar anyone? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7All sites live on the backs of their user base. Even sites that arent interactive. If a site didnt have users it couldnt sell ad space.
The only difference is on this site the users interact so all can see. I am highly active on sites that noone can see.. Or how about the thousands of helpful forums out there. Those people dont get paid for their advice. Or how about myspace.. I didnt get paid to look up hot women in my area. But by doing so i make myspace more valuable. I havent seen anyone getting paid for their lame youtube videos.
Besides by being paid, you are no longer public which defeats the purpose of digg. - FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7verucasalt is just not very good at grammar.
he meant to say "im a loser". - Ibox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Dude, I need a raise. $1000 a mo. is alot of money to make for reading news and saying "hey guys check this out!".
- Schug, on 10/12/2007, -27/+33You automatically digg the stories you submit, genius.
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6He said a while ago that if a company like Yahoo made him an offer for digg, he wasn't going to be stupid, he would definitely sell.
Yes, it's always sad when a small company like digg, gets bought up by a large company, but that's business. And I'd do the same thing, I think most of us would actually. - mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't get why people have such "fanboyism" to either Digg, Netscape or any site. It's competition, competition is NEVER bad. Grow up.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Calacanis is so clueless. Everyone knows AOL only bought Netscape to get netscape.com traffic. He's just the latest stooge in charge of a dying brand. Isn't he embarrassed to be offering to PAY people to use his copy cat site?
- Fooluaintblack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7i checked out Jason's blog and one of his points was that if/when Kevin Rose sells digg, the top users will "get nothing", you don't submit stories to digg to get something, you do it because you like to share information, and maybe improve your stats. A lot of what Jason was saying was just pretentious misdirection.
- jdawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6cyberghost232: I think you are 100% correct. If folks want to get paid to bookmark/coolhunt that is their right... kevin and I should not decide that for folks (nor can we!).
digg isn't gonna be hurting if the top 10 decide to get paid $1,000 a month from Netscape--the next 10 will just move up as you're saying. - marcamillion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"When he does sell DIGG--and trust me it will be sold before in the next 12 months--he will have done it on the backs of those top 50 members. Those top 50 members will get exactly... ummm..... nothing."
Is it just me or is it quite ironic that he makes this statement and umm...weblogs inc comes to mind. How many millions did it take for Calacanis to sell out to AOL again? How much did he pay the hundreds/thousands of bloggers upon which he built weblogs inc. again? Just thought it was very ironic that he makes a comment about a situation that Kevin has not yet faced, and condemns a decision he has not made, but even more ironic that same decision which he (calacanis or however you spell his name) made when he sold out to LAME-ASS Time-Warner. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The bottom line is. Digg doesnt not own its users. Digg is a service. Its an infrastructure for sharing web pages and discussing web pages. If Netscape offers to hire people (specifically to digg users) to share stories exclusively through Netscape then its within their right to do do so. If Digg management is upset then they have a distorted understanding of what Digg.com is.
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