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Kevin Rose Responds to Jason Calacanis' Rant from Netscape
krose.typepad.com — Jason, I know AOL has given you access to their war-chest, but honestly, take that money and invest it into site development. Listen to your existing community. Think of what your loyal Netscape users must think - you're essentially telling them that they aren't good enough and that you have pay better users.
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- dlprager, on 10/12/2007, -9/+113I must have dburka's baby for having the world's fastest RSS reader on kevin rose's site that hasn't been updated in months
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28dude Daniel Burka and Kevin are close friends they might even live together, not sure though, Kevin blurbed about that somewhere (TWiT or Diggnation) so Burka may have been there before Kevin posted that.
- Beelzebub, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Ummm...Prager and Kevin are also friends...Daniel Burka works on Digg i believe, and Prager works on Rev3 stuff...and AFAIK Kevin was roommates with Dan Huard and Keith, he moved out and now doesn't like Comcast(no i dont stalk them, i just have no life)
and Kevin might have called Daniel and said "Hey, check out my new blog post," I dont know. - pwill, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32Wow. I just read Calacanis' post. He sucks at English. He has horrible grammar and spelling. How does he have authority over anyone?
Also, why does he keep capitalizing digg? - michaelschmitt, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3Also, a look at dlprager's friends list (and listening to any of several episodes of diggnation or twit) would have clued you in. Dude, Prager knows Kevin, too, and both kevin rose and dburka are on his friends list.
- nevas, on 10/12/2007, -41/+14Instead of blindly supporting to whatever Kevin writes up... I found this comment on his blog which makes some sense.
Comment source: http://krose.typepad.com/kevinrose/2006/07/calacanis.html#Comments
Comment:
"Sorry Kevin, but in this case, Jason is right.
Instead of acting as you're going to become the next Microsoft of user-contributed news, how about acting like a newspaper does: you're not the best, but you still act like a sport and let other newspapers do their things without attacking them.
There can be different user-contributed news services, because they all have different strenths and benefits over eachother. None are better than the rest. This can be applied to Digg.
I can't believe, however, that you've become the very enemy you were trying to fight with in the first place, Slashdot. Digg is beginning to alienate it's users. The troll count in Digg is unbearable. The number of negative or bashing comments far passes the number of good ones.
Digg becomes more and more like Slashdot every day. And, with the addition of the other news, you've further alienated the users who have used your service since Month #1, like I have." - FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -28/+5PWNED
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34I saw Calacanis on TWIT Video a while ago, and I just wanted to punch him in the face. Ironically he IS a twit, and a jerk, and an *****. He was treating the guy who owns Rocketboom like a piece of dirt stuck to his shoe. Anything bad he gets as a result of his actions he probably deserves, he brings it on himself. His attitude sucks, he doesn't care about people, he only cares about number 1, ***** him!!
- Nation, on 10/12/2007, -24/+17I am not sure what it is ... but I believe Kevin is off on something. I still believe Digg 2.0 > Digg 3.0.
I almost want to say the reason Digg is successful is fundamentally different from what Kevin believes it is ... and the reason people come to digg is different from what he thinks it is.
We shall see, but if someone offered you a way to keep doing almost exactly what you are doing for fun, but earn a living or just some extra money by changing what you slightly ... would you do it? - ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17@nevas
Dude, Netscape completely ripped off the idea behind digg without offering anything new and now they are trying to take away some of our biggest submitters (I say 'our' because we are all a part of this community). Seems pretty obvious to me that Kevin has a right to be pissed. - FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22no, nation, you pressed the wrong key.
digg 2.0 < digg 3.0
with digg 3 we dont have those "tHis is in the wronG section" comments. - Nation, on 10/12/2007, -21/+6what? We still get crap in the wrong category ... the only difference is that now there is a burry option for that crap.
There are other issues, but I don’t care enough about digg anymore. - Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6I don't think the question we should be asking is whether or not Netscape is making the right decision, it's why Kevin was upset enough (or scared enough) to worry about it. Perhaps he's worried he'll lose the top 100 digg contributors since we've learned they make up about 80-90% of the front page news.
- etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14A story about a response in a blog from Digg's founder to an attention whore who slandered Digg shouldn't make it to the front page. I appreciate the sentiment of it all, but calling this Tech Industry News is demeaning to the subject and proposterously self-serving.
In the blogs... yes. On Digg... no. - rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Nation - As soon as you start paying a select few people to drive your site, then you start becoming a top-down, traditional news source. Netscape is just setting up a Web 2.0 facade while they still try to run their business like it was in the 90s.
- sabster, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2owned.
- mtthwmiddleton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Ireland
I completely agree, he was totally out of line on TWiT. When I saw what he posted about digg I thought to myself "This isn't the same ***** is it?!?" well I was wrong it was the same *****. Maybe he has to go around and pick on real innovators so he can feel better about selling out to corporate America - deut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Nation, I have been around here long enough to also come to the same conclusion.
To all you diggers who modded down Nation's comment, can you honestly tell me what 3.0 has brought to the party that we didn't already enjoy with 2.0?
Nothing has really changed that much has it?
- verucasalt, on 10/12/2007, -146/+17I never heard of either one of these chumps
- verucasalt, on 10/12/2007, -139/+17They sound like a couple of big losers to me
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -23/+75You two both sound like a couple of losers...
- abryce, on 10/12/2007, -56/+19You are kidding aren't you!!! Check out Digg's about page Kevin is the Founder and Chief Architect of Digg. Executive Producer and Host at Revision3.
He does the Digg-nation Pod-cast with Alex Albrecht, The Broken and System with Dan Huard. Also often on This Week in Tech, and DL.tv. Previously of TechTV fame, Screen-savers, Call for help, etc. Don't dis Kevin you wouldn't have Digg without him!
Jason Calacanis is from Netscape who are trying to do a copy of Digg on their own site. That is why this is interesting to those who use Digg. - bontaq, on 10/12/2007, -15/+19Guys, it's sarcasm. Hurrr.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39Verucasalt, you again? I thought I blocked you.
- verucasalt, on 10/12/2007, -39/+3Hey, how ya doin, titlesaysitall. Trolled anyone lately? I have.
- trik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Its really simple, Netscape has a workable amount of consistant users, but not enough content to keep their intrest for long periods of time for clicks on their ads. So they use cash mon-e to get more content. Kevin called it, Jason covers his ass and Kevin says ur bitches aint *****...
- FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7verucasalt is just not very good at grammar.
he meant to say "im a loser". - spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5titlesaysitall stated:
"Verucasalt, you again? I thought I blocked you."
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I noticed a day or so ago that all of my blocked users dissapeared.
- verucasalt, on 10/12/2007, -139/+17They sound like a couple of big losers to me
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -16/+37Kevin Rose, Digg, Diggnation, and democratic society as a whole FTW!!
- chesterjosiah, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Sounds to me like Kevin is just being greedy. Can someone explain to me again, why is it against Digg's principles to pay people for their work?
- fatb0b, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4For one it's not work. How hard is it to submit a post to digg? Most of the top stories are big news and the top users that report them are just the fastest to post them. It's not like they would not make it to digg if the top users didn't do it.
And it's against digg's principles because digg is a "user driven social content website" and once you start paying people they are employees not users. - chesterjosiah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Regardless of how easy it is to submit a story, it's still work. It time and effort, therefore it's work.
So if compensating "users" makes them "employees", why is it okay to give them any compensation such as T-shirts, which was suggested? If you think they should be compensated, why not skip the crud, admit that you're a business, and compensate them with money? - deut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@fatb0b
top users = sad bastards who need to get a life.
Unless these guys are using an automated script to scour and submit headlines from popular sites (hmmm, now there's an idea for a project), they must be spending hours in front of their PCs every day.
Just take a look at the top users, the amount and the rate at which they submit is quite amazing. GUYS - GET A LIFE. - DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Regardless of how easy it is to submit a story, it's still work. It time and effort, therefore it's work."
Thanks! I'm gonna tell my boss that! - chesterjosiah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lol
- billybob476, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Regardless of how easy it is to submit a story, it's still work. It time and effort, therefore it's work."
If that's how you think then I suggest you stop submitting stories. I'm sure someone who enjoys contributing to the community will submit them anyways.
- Lexus30, on 10/12/2007, -51/+31Even Kevin Rose dugg the story about himself.
"thats right everyone, i agree with myself."- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -23/+6its a joke people and i laughted out loud, fine I lol'ed.
- Schug, on 10/12/2007, -27/+33You automatically digg the stories you submit, genius.
- kurupt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30@Schug
That would be the correct answer, if it was actually Kevin who submitted it.
(It was actually submitted by Daniel Burka) - akira117, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I almost don't want to digg it because of how much I don't care about Netscape.
- Lexus30, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1steal_apps01 got my joke... come on I like Kevin, I just finish watching diggnation ep55, i laughed so hard it made me cry. good job kevin (and alex).
- Schug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Kurupt
. . . "touche?"
- CharlesSaint007, on 10/12/2007, -5/+184From calacantis.com
"Kevin Rose is going to make millions of dollars (perhaps tens of millions) when he sells DIGG to Yahoo (my best guess). When he does sell DIGG--and trust me it will be sold before in the next 12 months--he will have done it on the backs of those top 50 members. Those top 50 members will get exactly... ummm..... nothing."
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Too bad users don't submit stories to become rich. They submit stories to promote success within the community. Paying the top users would only motivate them to submit stories based on what they think would get a lot of diggs, not necessarily what is cool or what they think is cool. Nice try Calacantis...- CharlesSaint007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Oops, i meant to type calacanis.com and Jason Calacanis...
- jesusphreak, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45> Paying the top users would only motivate them to submit stories based on what they think would get a lot of diggs, not necessarily what is cool or what they think is cool.
Isn't that what happens already? Dirtyfraboy (by far the most active member), submits just about everything on popurl's (an aggregator for all the major Slashdot/Reddit/Newsvine, etc sites) frontpage.
I think that some of Digg's most active members are literally addicted to it. Submitting popular stories gives them self-confidence. Hey, I'm not saying all of them are like that, I'm just saying that when you spend hours upon hours upon hours using an alias to submit stories to a site that is profiting upon you...well, that's an interesting way to spend your life. - rot97, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Digg is a democracy, so far. I hope no one gets paid because that takes the equality and makes the people who get paid, basically moderators, or "anchors". Please, when you make a new site and want to start a fight with someone, at least innovate! If i make an exact copy of a site, with less features, and then pay people from the better site to come to mine, that just sounds like I'm a complete *****, and I'm not going to win anyway. Digg releases new features which are very innovative and are like nothing any other site has- digg spy, and stack/swarm in digg labs. Gotta love that. The reason this site is popular is because there are hundreds of people digging a story that interests them. I dont want to go to netscape to see something one anchor likes on top.. Many of its users, like me, and many top users have grown loyal to digg(like people loyal to slashdot) and will not leave to a petty competitor. Create new things! Innovate! That's how digg got me hooked, and netscape/jason don't realize that's how it really works.
- treblig, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4Does the green mean Kevin dugg your comment?
- kurupt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I don't see how alienating the current userbase is going to bring in more traffic to the site. Just because you steal away contributors like BloodJunkie or dirtyfratboy doesn't mean that the rest of us who enjoy the stories they submit are going to jump ship with them. Before, AlbertPacino was setting the bar for really great stories on digg. He hasn't been on this site in quite some time. So, even if you're able to capture a few of the people who make digg a great community, others in the community will rise up and take their place. That's what makes *this* a great community.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ treblig, it says next to the star which of your friends dugg that comment and if Kevin is on your friend's list it will list his name and any of your friends that dugg that comment. Oh yeah Kevin did digg it.
- tacom8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7uh, if anyone should be compensated wouldn't be those that are linked to from digg and whatever.. Aren't these the people that are actually creating the content, not the schmuck that submits the link.
/and we can all guess how that would turn out, paid anything just won't work - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"When he does sell DIGG--and trust me it will be sold before in the next 12 months--he will have done it on the backs of those top 50 members. Those top 50 members will get exactly... ummm..... nothing."
Putting it that way makes the $1,000 a month offer sound oh so tempting. I kid. - PowerCow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7All sites live on the backs of their user base. Even sites that arent interactive. If a site didnt have users it couldnt sell ad space.
The only difference is on this site the users interact so all can see. I am highly active on sites that noone can see.. Or how about the thousands of helpful forums out there. Those people dont get paid for their advice. Or how about myspace.. I didnt get paid to look up hot women in my area. But by doing so i make myspace more valuable. I havent seen anyone getting paid for their lame youtube videos.
Besides by being paid, you are no longer public which defeats the purpose of digg. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Anything other than free submission is a molestation of true popular stories.
- Qtip42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Looks like I'm going to be putting a "F%#K Netscape" on my Digg case mod :D
- deut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@DisposableRob
Point taken, but a $1000 per month is still a $1000 more than feck all per month.
Besides, I don't buy into this "digg is a democracy" crap. It has been well proven that the "top-fifty" more or less control the content on this site. Kev had a great opportunity to comment on this when the top story last week (over 4000 diggs remember?) raised this very issue. Guess what - zip. I bet you this story and Leo's blog will get a mention though.
Even so, I still come here every day, read a few links and post a few comments. I still like digg. But let's not start kidding ourselves about the utopia of digg. This is a 2.0 business. I'm sure in the end, it's all about the money. (Isn't it?) - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Kevin Rose is going to make millions of dollars (perhaps tens of millions) when he sells DIGG to Yahoo (my best guess). When he does sell DIGG--and trust me it will be sold before in the next 12 months--he will have done it on the backs of those top 50 members. Those top 50 members will get exactly... ummm..... nothing."
This statement is why Kevin dugg this comment. ;)
And it will most likely be tens of millions, but we hope Kevin gets to stick around to do the DiggNation show and gets free beers for life in the deal.
Is Rupert Murdock listening?
- Kericr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45I'm not digging this. Not because I don't think it's worthy of a digg (because I do), but I simply don't want to give that attention whore Calacanis any attention whatsoever.
- pasteler0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Nice One! Keep rocking Kevin!
- Scipyo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30ha! my favorite part:
"clone on!"- chad78, on 10/12/2007, -17/+9Kinda like how Digg cloned Slashdot? Kevin himself has said that Digg is by no means a new idea. They just took Slashdot and removed the editors and put in a vote counter. Kinda ironic that he now says "Clone on Maybe he meant continue the cloning train that he was a part of. I dunno.
- ipodman715, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yeah, they bashed Calacanis on Diggnation!
- ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Jason got BURNED!
yeah, that about sums it up. - steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15dude Daniel Burka is the original digg designer from 1.0.
And Kevin Rose, your the man i hope Calacanis and you are on the next TWiT.
You know Leo will want it.
Thanks for finally shutting up that annoying PR of a man. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20I'm sorry Mr. Calaconis but you have been a real ass lately. You claim buying out top users from various social networking sites such as Digg will improve your site. You are dead wrong, people have to be attracted to your site which you evidently lack the know how of doing and users have to communicate their way not yours. When you give users an incentive such as money it becomes a job for them and the social chemistry fails but yet it is hard for you to comprehend that. Also Mr. Calaconis, STFU and go back to your failed Netscape site and leave us alone, you ***** is quite annoying.
Had to get that off my chest :)- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Bury the above.
- titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Nevermind.
- ub3rgeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Wow I'm actual surprised about how intelligently this was written. (sorry not to say Kevin is un-intelligent, its just the fact that I've never heard him speak when he is not drunk).
good response- QuothTheRaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4... that's just because most people only hear him speak on diggnation and part of the show is drinking a few beers. I would imagine that outside of diggnation he's quite composed in order to do the myriad other responsibilities he has. Diggnation has got to be just a fun time to informally let loose and have a drink.
- FRAGaLOT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14If you all saw Diggnation this week, Kevin totaly burns on Jason. WTG!
- Unicron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oooh burn. I hear they're gonna fight in the cafeteria this lunch period!
- deut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@FRAGaLOT, yeah, it's quite easy to burn a dude when your pissed and haven't got your opponent their to retort.
- allaboutdatiki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Remember when Netscape was really cool and all our troubles seemed so far away? Oh Jason Calacanis, you're sofa king yesterday ...
- bonlebon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14fight
FIGHT
F I G H T
F I G H T !!!!!!!!- Flankk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Web 2.0 clones are spawning a whole new breed of distrowar. Use what you like and end the debate. Do you prefer broad patents to copycats?
I was surprised by the arrogance evident in Kevin's post. Oh well, can't be modest forever.
- Flankk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Web 2.0 clones are spawning a whole new breed of distrowar. Use what you like and end the debate. Do you prefer broad patents to copycats?
- bigvics, on 10/12/2007, -41/+11Hey Kevin Rose, how about a ***** Microsoft section? Stop being an Apple ***** and do it already!
- SPARTACVS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, cause that's gonna help. /sarcasm
- behemothaur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1He he he he he who's the *****?
- slave0001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dude, there is no need to be so rude. I do agree that there should be a pc section and then maybe break it down by architecture... but it's not my site, and you're certainly not going to get anywhere calling anyone a *****.
- SlashNot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3he pretty much said what he thought in the last episode of diggnation.
- psudoc64, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Excellent write-up Kevin. You gotta remember, imitation is one of the strongest forms of flattery (and in this case, jealousy). Netscape can only dream about becoming what Digg has become.
- Fooluaintblack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7i checked out Jason's blog and one of his points was that if/when Kevin Rose sells digg, the top users will "get nothing", you don't submit stories to digg to get something, you do it because you like to share information, and maybe improve your stats. A lot of what Jason was saying was just pretentious misdirection.
- preytogod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I post on digg because of the copious amounts of tail I get here... oh, and I learned out to share in Kindergarten.
- andrewr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Oh snap. Perfect response.
- aerotive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"social platforms devoid of monetary motivations"
The ads at the top of this site indicate that Digg has significant monetary motivation. Nothing wrong with that at all. But don't patronize people with this holier-than-thouness. - junaluska, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Go Kevin!
- Fooluaintblack, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3^ Pretentious Misdirection.
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -15/+7^ ***** overlord
- bs0l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I remember a while ago on diggnation Kevin said he wanted to start something with somebody. I believe he said with other podcasts out there, but I think this is just as close.
netwar anyone? - ersnyder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Digg on Diggers.
Down with Netscape. - phool, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6bleh, look if you were a top poster on digg and a netscape goon told you he would pay you 1000 a month to post on his site instead i doubt, highly, that there is many of you out there that would turn it down.
I love digg, i love the ideas behind it and the way it came about. Digg on my friends before big company gets ahold of this site and we have to find a new home!- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1hmm... well just to let perspective headhunter in on myself; I broke the "SuprNova Comes back" story and it made front page.
- phool, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3If I was KR i would sell this pig now at its peak (or close to it) to get the top return on my money.
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12if i was KR i would shoot you in the bawls;
1. for calling me KR
and
2. for suggesting that I would ever even think of selling digg - XharMoondi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@steal_apps01
Money persuades easy as that. And I personally haven't ever heard Kevin promise not ever to sell Digg, has he? - yttrx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I'll lay down a thousand bucks here and now that digg gets sold inside the next 24 months.
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@XharMoondi; Money does make people do unexpected things, but Digg as a company hired new people, and got money for the company I don't think they'll sell anytime soon.
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12if i was KR i would shoot you in the bawls;
- phool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I love it "you don't submit stories to digg to get something"
Here is a questing "what if you could??"
your addicted to digg, you love the site, you love submitting stories, sounds like a dream job if you could get paid for it!!- deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Name one site that pays it's users to be there??
- treblig, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Netscape has become the new evil. There's comments like "Down with Netscape". It just goes to show how 1 boneheaded move can send your entire reputation and internet following down the tubes (literally, as we all know the internet is a series of tubes, not a dump truck).
- jesusphreak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7The new evil? Give me a break. Just because Kevin Rose and Jason are having a cat-fight in the cafeteria and some people gave gathered around and started yelling "Oh, burned!" doesn't mean ANYTHING at all.
- steal_apps01, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2yeaha!
- CMBlue, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I don't know much about this situation, but from what I've read, it sounds like this Jason tool is trying to copy Digg. Netscape sucks anyways.
- choice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well, dear, Kevin links to Jason's article and Jason has a link to detailed coverage of the story on a pbs site. If you don't know much, you don't have an excuse for posting without trying to find out.
- phool, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2[if i was KR i would shoot you in the bawls;
1. for calling me KR
and
2. for suggesting that I would ever even think of selling digg]
lol bawls.. Im just saying, money motivates. someone showing me 30 million for my site is very temping offer (spec of course)
as far as the KR thing, i just dont like to spell ***** out,,, i strike KR and replace with Kevin Rose- Flankk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Calacanis? Is that you?
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Calacanis is so clueless. Everyone knows AOL only bought Netscape to get netscape.com traffic. He's just the latest stooge in charge of a dying brand. Isn't he embarrassed to be offering to PAY people to use his copy cat site?
- deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2no, they bought Netscape back then to extort money from MS when they were fighting with the DoJ. They got something like $500M + 7 years free use of IE with the AOL software.
- idesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Gotta love a nerd pissing contest.
This was Rose's idea. While its true that Digg is nothing without its users, Kevin and his team spent all this time developing the platform that people found interesting and wanted to use, and wanted to spend time on.
Kevin et all deserve to reap the benefits of taking a great idea and turning it into reality.
In the future Kev, just ignore this loser. Responding to him gives his comments credibility... stay away from the flame! - fitzfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11If top users were getting paid...
Every story would be The AMAZING LEAKED EXCLUSIVE APPLE story
People would be creating tons of accounts just to digg their own stories
...and Al Pacino would be rich
- Avius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4hmm... 500,000 reg users on digg... is that a lot or not?
- conjuror1972, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Umm I'd take a grand a month...
- andersonmanly, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Alright, let's do dis.....
LEEEERRRROOOOYYYYYYYYY NNNJJJEEENKKKINSSSSssssss!!! - choice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28The argument that Digg and Flickr make a ton of money off of their power users at the expense of those users is really misguided. All community-driven, online destinations rely on power users. Power users are driven to be power users for no other reason than their own narcissism. It's hard to get recognized for anything in this world. at least you can be number one some place and it may as well be Digg. That doesn't mean that the company *owes* them something in return. The top users get just as much out of the experience as the company does. They are both benefiting, just not in the same way.
It is the community that will determine whether the act of posting and digging is its own means to an end; or whether the reward for this activity needs to become something more tangible. I don't think we're there yet. By the logic Calcanis is using here, top players in WoW should be paid to play because they make such a large contribution to the community. But what message does that send to your other users, "Stop playing. This game is for the elite, only." That is the EXACT opposite of what community-driven means.- atmofunk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1i can't digg your comment twice so i'll say booya to you here. right on.
- Vokas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I hardly think its narcissism that drive the top users. I've submitted a few stories, and I do it just for the fun of it...just to see how the submission will do, and to share what I thought was cool.
- HPSauce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You lose, Calacanis. And to top things off, not exactly normal looking.
- phool, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2lol im starting a "top posters" on the internet , head hunter service.
- applepro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Calcanis and the clone crew are such wanks... create your own original site, geez.
- KeyLimePie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope the incentive for top diggers doesn't shift from a being a contributer to a community to having a 'job'.
Will users like BloodJunkie who (may) take up this offer still be as active on Digg? He might not have the incentive to anymore which will be detrimental to the site. - h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13holy *****.. maybe it's because i've had a few drinks tonight.. but i really don't need to read about a ***** internet pissing match between what are probably two future millionaires.
Kevin, great work on the site, sure..
Netscape guy, rock on, good idea.
jesus christ it's like kindergarten.. if kevin doesn't want to revenue share or pay people so be it.. we'll see if digg succeeds without the 'top 50 posters"
which it will..
stop the internet whining/pissing match.. just because you are all technology guys doesn't mean you need to act like ***** kids.. that's what gives us a bad name..
well that and internet herpes. - PoVRAZOR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Maybe people are immature and don't take things seriously, but I can't help but notice Calicanis' angle tends to gravitate towards that. At least that was the case with RocketBoom and this. Alrighty then, so what I've learned is success in business is some sort of magic balance of maturity and immaturity. Hey, isn't that what politics is?
- Ibox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Dude, I need a raise. $1000 a mo. is alot of money to make for reading news and saying "hey guys check this out!".
- JDOG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Hah, this is getting juicy. Netscape totally got pwnd though.
Lets face it, there will always be clones of anything that's a success, but Netscape beta just doesn't have the soul Digg does. I see the things Digg is doing and it seems like they're doing it to push the envelope. Netscape just seems to want money and instant popularity. While Digg has worked hard to become a massively popular website, Netscape has snuck under the radar...those kind of tactics don't suit a site well in the long run.
In my mind, Netscape needs to come out with some new tools or improve on the style (which they've stolen) to survive the first few years and keep people around.- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't know why you're being modded down, I totally agree with you.
Creativity is what drives pop-culture. Clones and greed are what kills pop-culture.
Jimzip :D
- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't know why you're being modded down, I totally agree with you.
- 22pages, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There will be more and more sites like Digg in the future. It will also necessarily evolve so that a great number of social bookmarkers get paid as there is so much interest in this type of community at the moment. (They will be called something lame like Blogsperts or something equally corporate).
There SHOULD be a collaborative model where content generators and aggregators share revenue appropriately. It's kind of like being an editor or content director in a marketing context. If you can pick topics people will tune in to pay attention to you are generating value, and eventually people that can generate that value will demand it. I certainly see no harm in that. If you change the type of stories you submit as a result of there being an economic incentive, you risk losing your value and losing credibility with viewers. However, as we've seen in other more traditional contexts, community interest can be sufficiently determined and forecast to keep a profitable number of people happy. (So lots of channels will sell out and people will continue to go there).
There will be paid contributors and those communities will have some success. There will be free communities as well, some with even better content. Digg is not the final destination, but an important stepping stone in an evolving form. If Netscape can figure out a rev sharing model that leads to quality content while compensating contributors, good for them, that'll be a significant contribution as well.
Oh, and since everything seems so partisan on both sides of the fence, I'll add my personal attack to and say that Rose and Calacantis would both look bad in a speedo. Really bad.- SoundScape, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Comment dugg, purely for the last paragraph.
- whoatemydigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The bottom line is. Digg doesnt not own its users. Digg is a service. Its an infrastructure for sharing web pages and discussing web pages. If Netscape offers to hire people (specifically to digg users) to share stories exclusively through Netscape then its within their right to do do so. If Digg management is upset then they have a distorted understanding of what Digg.com is.
- riddlebox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4It's going to lead down to this. If yahoo buys digg. Then most of the true diggers will stop submitting. Because its just another giant corporation. So there for this Netscape ***** is thinking of dollars. Sit here and think. What ***** TARD is going to buy myspace...or any other "fad" website. Remember that something is cool for only so long before it turns for the worse. Thats why the Netscape Nutsack is cloning because hes thinking like a business man and not an inventor, people don't want the same *****. They are on the verge for the next trend. Create something trendy and you will make money. Much like the music industry, and clothing industry. It is what is in style for the masses. THE WHOLE DIGG COMMUNITY SHOULD FLAME THAT MOTHER ***** Jason Calacanis mass mail his ass....make accounts to vote how hes a worthless cum wad.
- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well.. Maybe not that extreme.
But I do agree that there's no originality in the others' clones, and that people do ride the trend waves only until it's been well and truly overdone.
If Yahoo buys digg, I'm not going to post here anymore for exactly the reason you put above, it's another mindless mega-corp which will suck all the creativity out of the whole digg experience because they want to squeeze another few pennies out from here and there.
This guy is trying, but you can't try to be cool, you either are, or you aren't.
Jimzip :D
- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well.. Maybe not that extreme.
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