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- say592, on 06/25/2008, -5/+243See, even the artists want to ***** the RIAA (and other record companies).
You have to be pretty ***** for the people you are supposed to be protecting to hate you that much. - Jerky1312, on 06/25/2008, -4/+171Her albums...
The Soul Sessions...
http://www.mininova.org/tor/643231
Mind, Body & Soul...
http://www.mininova.org/tor/73549
Introducing Joss Stone...
http://www.mininova.org/tor/633312
Her wiki...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joss_Stone - gbrmn, on 06/25/2008, -9/+120I wonder how many people are going to download some of her music now... :)
- zeabu, on 06/25/2008, -6/+76I always thought of her as the next music industry product, seems she actually has some interesting things to say. She makes music for making music, not for money, highly admirable. More singers should do that, it would widen the music spectrum a lot if you're not afraid of making something you like yourself instead of making something you hope people will like and buy.
Most full cds are unfinished jobs, they have 1 good song, and all around would probably take some time more to finish, and could end up as good songs too, but they have a timetable and a deadline given by the music industry. There is no artistic branche that makes its artists obligated to produce 50 works/songs (3 discs) in 2 years. How can one put all his soul and creativity in his work if he has to produce 50 or more works in such a short timespan. It's like saying Picasso, I need you to make 50 paintings and most people must like it, because I need to sell lots of replicas of them, if not you breach contract and you have to pay me. I'd be sure he never would invented the special style he had. - mklopez, on 06/26/2008, -2/+68Dugg for her great music, her obvious sense of right vs wrong, and also for her incredible hawtness!
- Kepp1, on 06/25/2008, -6/+64Good for her; and us if more follow the lead of artists that embrace file sharing:)
- phoomp, on 06/26/2008, -0/+50I will support any artist who supports changing the system, even if I don't particularly care for their music.
- gritta, on 06/26/2008, -0/+46Cause agreeing with someone and sharing their tastes are mutually exclusive?
- snoogit, on 06/26/2008, -10/+52You know what else should be shared?
Her *****. - GreenChaos, on 06/26/2008, -3/+40Joss is brilliant .... and fit.
- vfreak2, on 06/25/2008, -2/+33Definitely agree with her. All the way
- aliguana, on 06/25/2008, -2/+30finally, a bit of honesty
- Ricochetbiscuit, on 06/26/2008, -3/+27Joss is my ideal woman - a gorgeous blonde with the voice and soul of a black woman. OK, OK her hair color changes like the wind... work with me a little here.
- saxreturns, on 06/26/2008, -1/+22It's just a pity you can't torrent those...
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -1/+22Joss Stone > Indiana Gregg
- Andrwmorph, on 06/26/2008, -0/+20Yet...
- aladrin, on 06/26/2008, -1/+21I don't know, but I bothered to search her out on imeem and now I'm listening to see if it's my style.
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -1/+20If artists endorse filesharing, can the RIAA do anything about their albums being pirated?
I'm also wondering when the RIAA is going to sit down and STFU. We're getting more and more artists on our side - when are they going to understand that they're fighting a losing battle? - artfiend77, on 06/26/2008, -0/+15Thanks reformation! I don't know what I'd do if you weren't here to tell us what to like and what not to like! What a weight off my shoulders!
- spetznatz, on 06/26/2008, -2/+15Artists barely make any money whatsoever out of CD sales. Most major label releases are LOSSES (ie. become debts) that the artist themselves owe the label. Okay so the record company funds important areas like the recording itself, but the industry itself is a ridiculously overblown over-coked dinosaur.
I don't buy CD's, and I don't use services such as iTunes because I'd actually be PAYING for an INFERIOR product I could get better for FREE. I'm sorry, but until there's a legal service that offers high quality audio downloads and pays decent royalties to the artists themselves, I'm simply not going to be interested in buying music again. Besides, piracy allows me to investigate a wide-range of music at no cost, allowing me to 1. discover lesser known artists 2. expand my musical taste 3. as a result go to an increasing number of shows.. a business model where the artists actually DO see their fair share of money.
Ideally, I'd like to see a model take place where bands can release their music in a high-quality format on bittorrent through their own sites (little to no bandwidth cost required), for a nominal fee, where all the money goes to the people who actually matter in the process - the artists themselves, recording engineers, studio owners, and hosting providers.
And sure, recording labels might have the big bucks to promote artists on tv (a technology also on the decline, by the way), but ***** that.. what happened to bands touring exhaustively to promote themselves? Frustrated labels are losing truckloads of money on the whole by shotgun spraying new flavour-of-the-week artists on us, with all the marketing hype imaginable, with half of these people/bands either being not good enough for big-time performance, or they're just hacks the label's decided they can market to 15 year old girls who'll forget them for the next thing when they turn 16. They're trying to invent a market for these 'artists' and they wonder why their careers have no real longevity or impact on music as an art form.
Here's how you become a successful band in a genuine way that has the potential to give you a REAL career in music.. and you don't need a label any more. Forgive me if this is just too stupidly simple.
1. Write songs. Write them yourself, write them from your heart god damn it. You don't need a team of 40 year old music and english majors to write a song in C-major about you missing your boyfriend.
2. Play small pub gigs, parties, stuff you'll get paid peanuts for, but the idea is you keep your day jobs and have fun playing music, FOR the music. Hopefully you get noticed and people start appreciating you.
3. Hopefully after doing this for a while, you gain a local following. Produce an EP. These days all you need is a laptop and a couple of thousand dollars of audio
gear maximum. You can make your own recordings, it isn't hard, and it's not THAT expensive.
4. Release EP on your website/myspace/whatever for free. A chance for you to increase fervour amongst your fans and get others who mightn't be able to come to your local shows into you.
5. Increase your touring.. more venues, more often, wider area. With any luck, if you're actually good, you'll be getting an increasing fanbase.
6. Hopefully you're starting to earn some okay money doing what you love. Save this money, buy some studio time. You only need a week to record and a week to get someone to mix/master. Record an album.
7. Release it on your website, either ask people to make a donation through the site, charge a nominal fee hoping to get good will sales, or just release it for free and hope that as a result it passes around more.
8. Rinse and repeat.
THIS is how it should happen. Look at any successful artist who has been around for a while, chances are they started like this. Find me an artist with a successful career who didn't start like this. THIS is what separates the men from the boys who'll end up in debt to their label once their second album sold no copies because the hype has died down. THIS is why labels have no place any more now that packets of data can be transmitted directly to people's homes at millisecond's delay, replacing trucks and record stores. THIS is why labels are useless, because it costs $100 a year to host a website that can get more views per minute than a day's worth of $6000 per 30 seconds airtime saturation tv marketing.
There's roaring piracy because the music industry itself has simply failed to roll with the punches. Due to the internet, record labels are obsolete. The coke and hookers party is over. - btschul, on 06/26/2008, -2/+14I have never heard of Joss Stone before, or heard any of her music, but because of this I might stop by the next time she tours in my area and buy some of her merch to support her, or find some other way of supporting her without giving too much to the RIAA. Nice one, Piracy.
- samgab, on 06/26/2008, -0/+12I concur.
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -0/+12Yet so many just get in bed with them.
- OpaqueMurdock, on 06/26/2008, -0/+12Not everyone is the Beatles... nor does everyone have the support they did to accomplish that task.
In addition, at least to some extent those were somewhat simple songs to record by todays standards. "Wall of sound" would not generally cut the mustard in todays market, but it was perfect for 45s and AM radio.
Mostly though I believe the rapid fire output was due to the fact that you had at least 2 amazing brains spitting out music at an alarming rate... and those brains were quickly surrounded with other very talented brains dead set on helping them.
Since then "business" people figured out you really don't need to do that. You may be correct that its possible, but its less likely now because of the demands of the listening audience. In fact, if you built a time machine and brought the Beatles from "then" into this age I am afraid they would end up taking quite a while to record as well... not so much them mind you, but the people producing the record trying to make it "acceptable" by todays standards. Most people don't hear it... but we all have become VERY picky.
Even bands that are supposed to sound noisy and out of control... are carefully analyzed to the point of almost scientific scrutiny.
I do agree that there should NEVER be trash tracks on a release. Thats just lazy, Its hard to come up with 10-12 great songs every 2 years but the intentional inclusion of tracks that should have been cut its something the record companies started encouraging artists to do decades back to pad the product and increase overall sales...
Like always, they suck. - angrykeyboarder, on 06/26/2008, -0/+11You've never heard of her? She's one of the best friggin blue-eyed soul singers on the planet. And unlike Amy Winehouse, she's easy on the eyes. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joss_stone - iSamurai, on 06/26/2008, -0/+10Well put, sir.
- mataranka, on 06/26/2008, -1/+11What’s the chances of her record company having a ‘quiet word with her’ over the next few days, quickly followed by a press release from Joss Stone saying she was misquoted and piracy is very bad for the music industry and the people trading in pirated music should have their balls stamped on by camels, possibly?
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -4/+14That's the best thing to ever come out her mouth.
- luckyguy2000, on 06/26/2008, -0/+9i think its a nice idea of artists making money of their concerts and giving the music for free. the music would act as a advertisement and the artists doesnt even need to spread it - the listeners do it.
of course this would mean the death of the record companies.
i think the artists could still make a lot of money from being famous, sell their albums (ppl would still buy it, not everyone can download, not everyone is satisfied without a glossy booklet and ultimately ppl will favor original cds over copied once when they dont come with copyprotection hassles) and make concerts.
i tell you. its just the record companies which act like a angry pimp. - PicklesNCheese, on 07/24/2008, -0/+9I am fascinated by the fact that every article covering ANY woman on digg somehow always degenerates into some sexual comment every 5th posting. Does this mean that 20% of the diggers are 15 year old boys?
- jun2san, on 06/26/2008, -8/+16Joss who?
(Joss kidding) - iissmart, on 06/25/2008, -13/+20Even though I don't like her music, I actually agree with what she believes. Weird.
- mywhitenoise, on 06/26/2008, -0/+7A lot of the material that was released on their earlier albums were covers.
- samgab, on 06/26/2008, -1/+8Rock on, Joss!
- argo2d, on 06/26/2008, -5/+12my jack johnson plug, worth getting thumb downed for :)
Johnson has stated in several interviews that a big part of his success involved his friends recording "bootlegs" of his tracks and distributing them at surf competitions. Johnson has also stated that he supports the sharing of live recordings and bootlegs of his music, many of which can be found all over the internet.
Johnson QUOTE:
"It's pretty crazy. There's stuff I would find online that I'd only given to one friend, so I know how it got there," Johnson says. "It's been a spider-web effect. That's the whole reason all this [success] started. I'm sure there's lots of people who hate [downloading], but I really dig it." - thailand1972, on 06/26/2008, -1/+8I think it would be weirder if you *had* to agree with someone's opinion (on anything) just because you liked their music, or perhaps EVEN weirder, *had* to like their music because you agree with their opinion (on anything).
- mediaspree, on 06/26/2008, -3/+10'A, I've got something to put in her mouth! Oh!
- ptdev, on 06/26/2008, -1/+7/usr/home ?
Just saying... - innocentsinner, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6"her hair color changes like the wind"
A plus in my book. - phoomp, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6In many cases in today's music industry, the label owns the copyright, not the creator. But, slowly, more and more artists are realizing that they no longer need the RIAA for exposure or distribution (only the really sucky "artists" who need to be manufactured will need RIAA resources to have their one hit wonder)
- FredFredrickson, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6You can pretend all you want that piracy is about helping musicians overcome the horrible RIAA, and I'll admit, they are a horrible organization. But we all know that if there wasn't free music in it for you, you wouldn't give a ***** about the RIAA.
- thailand1972, on 06/26/2008, -3/+9The vast vast majority of music files shared on P2P networks are of established artists signed to labels. File sharing is actually great for them to promote their concerts and raise their "brand awareness".
For unknown artists, they'd LOVE to have their files shared on the networks, but it isn't happening. They'd love the publicity and they would get a following big enough to do small tours.
Here's the paradox: 99% of people will only download music that is already on a label, and been sufficiently marketed so they heard the band on the radio, and their peer group like the music, so they try it out. To get to that sufficient level of marketing, you need to be signed to a label. And so it goes.
Uknown artists continue to have no real chance while the mindset of music fans is to always wait for the marketing guys to tell you what to like, through radio play lists, viral marketing, and videos. - FeargusMcDuff, on 06/26/2008, -2/+8I think its '***** the RIAA' rather than 'want to ***** the RIAA'
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6Um - isn't "I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair" a song by Sandi Thom? In fact, from a google search it appears that the "bedroom broadcasts" were also Sandi Thom, do you have any idea what you're talking about?
- wickensworth, on 06/26/2008, -0/+6Address?
- retawd, on 06/26/2008, -0/+5Holy ***** I hope this is sarcasm...
- btschul, on 06/26/2008, -0/+5It doesn't take much to be better on the eyes than Amy winehouse. ( but I agree joss stone is effin hot)
- JSager, on 06/26/2008, -0/+5Roofies.
- Spudster, on 06/26/2008, -1/+6Sounds like someone needs to get laid.
- sunroom, on 06/26/2008, -1/+6The CD business model is on the way out. Music file-sharing, by taking some of the monetary value out of pre-recorded music, is turning the focus back on what music was originally about (from the first song to the birth of the recording industry): LIVE performance.
As a recording musician in a band, I see this as nothing but a good thing. Live performance is what I live for and, while I love recording as well, I see it as a vehicle to get people to come to our shows.
In case anyone missed it, check out this great article on the topic by David Byrne of Talking Heads fame. A quote from the article:
"In the past, music was something you heard and experienced — it was as much a social event as a purely musical one. Before recording technology existed, you could not separate music from its social context. Epic songs and ballads, troubadours, courtly entertainments, church music, shamanic chants, pub sing-alongs, ceremonial music, military music, dance music — it was pretty much all tied to specific social functions. It was communal and often utilitarian. You couldn't take it home, copy it, sell it as a commodity (except as sheet music, but that's not music), or even hear it again. Music was an experience, intimately married to your life. You could pay to hear music, but after you did, it was over, gone — a memory.
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/ ... -
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