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- CritterNYC, on 03/22/2008, -24/+161How low an opinion of your browser must you have if you think you need to trick people into installing it?
- hardissababa, on 03/22/2008, -25/+115Shame on Apple. If Microsoft did this, the Internets would be flipping out!!!
- mmeiser, on 03/22/2008, -26/+101"Apple is going to be the next Microsoft."
Nope.
Apple is the new Microsoft. - mmeiser, on 03/22/2008, -16/+88"Shame on Apple. If Microsoft did this, the Internets would be flipping out!!!"
If microsoft did this they'd get their slapped with an anti-trust suit before it even finished downloading. - kelson, on 03/22/2008, -2/+41There's a difference between an *installer* offering additional apps by default and an *updater* doing the same. The simplest path of action with an updater should leave you with a new version of the software you already had, not with additional software you weren't expecting.
IMO, all Apple needs to do is:
(1) identify the new-to-you apps as being new apps, not updates, and
(2) leave them unchecked by default.
So if you have iTunes but not Safari, you'll have to explicitly opt into Safari in order to get it.
As it is, I *have* Safari, and keep having to explicitly opt out of iTunes! - blastcow, on 03/22/2008, -4/+35Apple has already been doing this with Quicktime and iTunes. I don't have an iPod and I won't use iTunes. But every time there's an update for Quicktime...it tries to install iTunes in this same manner. I have to unclick the iTunes so as to not install an unwanted music management program.
Now, I suppose, every time there is a Quicktime update - I'm going to have to deselect both iTunes AND Safari.
Which is really irritating. - Auzy, on 03/22/2008, -5/+34Thats true, I installed my airport Extreme software, and now it wants itunes, quicktime and safari installed too (which I dont want).
I agree with this - spaceman84, on 03/22/2008, -3/+30Ha! They'll never be that successful.
- estvir, on 03/22/2008, -4/+31Your comment is as wrong and as stupid as the last time you posted it.
- twiztidsinz, on 03/22/2008, -9/+32WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW???
- thegreatanti, on 03/22/2008, -11/+34Apple is going to be the next Microsoft.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 03/22/2008, -3/+26This is something that AOL would do.
- Nimphious, on 03/22/2008, -2/+24"Windows Genuine Advantage"
i.e. The "advantage" of having a genuine copy of windows.
"Security update"
i.e. The implication that a patch of the system that prevents the installation of non-genuine copies of the Windows operating system, is a security fix.
I don't see any dishonesty here.
The update for the same thing in Vista isn't even called a "security" update, it's just a normal update, and it's not an important one, only recommended. If you have your update set to the most common (although not default) setting of important updates only, and only when told, not automatic, then you'll never download this update.
Mind you, I'm not implying that Microsoft hasn't been dishonest about things in the past, but trying to call something dishonest when it's being as honest as it can without shouting at you every detail of it's purpose directly into your eardrums, and I don't see a problem here personally.
But hey, let's take a look at dishonesty shall we.
Hmm, Apple has a solid update platform that is used only to update existing software. There is no notification that the software is planned or designed to be used to install new software, and the description of the update platform is to keep installed Apple products up-to-date conveniently and easily.
Oh, wait, hold on just a moment... My updater just popped up... Safari? Checked by default? That can't be right, the only Apple product I have on my Windows machine is QuickTime. I must have installed it by mistake, because Safari is a great browser on my Mac machines, it looks and works great, and fits in with the operating system, but on my windows machine I prefer my trusty FireFox browser, it looks good, it's fast, and it fits in. Turns out I don't have Safari on this machine, so why I wonder is Apple trying to install it? Oh...
It must be...
Apple has made a terrible move by trying to stealthily install Safari onto the Windows platform without consideration for their users preferences. There's absolutely no reason for the user to want this to happen. If they want Safari, they can go and download it just like any other browser. This is the equivalent of Google bugging you to install the Google Toolbar, every time you view a google Ad-Sense ad, or perform a Google search, or even use Gmail or Google Maps.
This is wrong. Apple needs to re-evaluate it's priorities to it's customers and it's target potential customers. This is not a smart move at all. - inactive, on 03/22/2008, -4/+25have been for a long time already...
- inactive, on 03/22/2008, -6/+23I hate to say it as I've been a Mac devotee since OS7, but...I think you may be right.
What a shame - estvir, on 03/22/2008, -3/+18Yes, but what you're referring to is the Live install suite and it's a freaking install app, not an updating one.
- thegreatanti, on 03/22/2008, -8/+23Exactly. I guess those bastards will auto-set it to default as well to force there ***** - bad looking browser on Windows - on you. It's a outrageous act, there should be laws against this.
- colincornaby, on 03/22/2008, -10/+24"...and they run terribly slow compared to IE 7, WMP 11" Yeah... that's not true... http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com ... Safari 3.1 destroys IE7 in terms of speed. Look, I use IE7 on Windows because I hate how Safari looks like a Mac app in Windows (and I'm a Mac user), but please, don't try to claim IE7 is fast. It's a bloated slow piece of garbage that's hardly standards compliant.
- DiggLive, on 03/22/2008, -1/+15ZING!
- wtfunkymonkey, on 03/22/2008, -2/+15There's a big difference between a browser being including with an OS by default and a browser being pushed by way of an unrelated software update. They're just not the same thing - you're embarrassing yourself even if you don't have the good sense to realize it.
- kmotiv1, on 03/22/2008, -5/+18That is pretty shady Apple. Shame on you.
- bjornski, on 03/22/2008, -0/+12Because a majority of Windows users DO NOT WANT IT. All they wanted was a Quicktime update, or maybe an iTunes update. Not a new browser on top of it all.
"Regardless of the method of the delivery...." Just how dumb are you? - eggsovereasy, on 03/22/2008, -1/+13Since clicking a box is so easy, perhaps the install Safari option should have been opt-in?
- mvent2, on 03/22/2008, -2/+14I don't see why people are trying to defend this. Anything offered by any software updater should just be *updates* to existing software on my computer, regardless of whether or not there is a checkbox; anything else is just a trojan horse hoping that I'd be naive enough to trust their updater. Remember Genuine Advantage notifications on Windows?
This is low; no matter if there is a checkbox or not, it shouldn't be done in the first place. Remember WWDC 07 when Jobs was actually bragging how they were going to bundle Safari with iTunes? - banmaster, on 03/22/2008, -0/+12Nobody is claiming that people shouldn't have to read whats gonna get installed.
What the issue is here is that Safari in most cases IS NOT AN UPDATE!! Its a full blown app. - PHiZ187, on 03/22/2008, -13/+25***** iTunes, it's media management capabilities and interface suck.
- fkr3, on 03/22/2008, -0/+11iTunes is worse... I usually have to minimise/maximise it before the window actually appears properly, mostly when it starts up it's "there" but it's black.
- banmaster, on 03/22/2008, -2/+12I've only just started using WMP for music managing and syncing to my creative zen, and it sure beats the hell out of iTunes.
- chriskuta, on 03/22/2008, -1/+11updates are for losers, Mosiac is just fine.
- eggsovereasy, on 03/22/2008, -1/+11So Microsoft shouldn't include a web browser with Windows?
By the same token you could say Apple has been forcing Safari down Mac users' throats. - eggsovereasy, on 03/22/2008, -0/+10I guess you're wrong.
- blastcow, on 03/22/2008, -2/+11Really? Thats why Mac using Engadget, Crunch gear, and the like, Bloggers are always trashing Vista? This is the only Apple critical Digg I've seen in a while here. DA
- SSUK, on 03/22/2008, -0/+9A normal user at a computer, who has say, installed iTunes and Quicktime to their PC because they have an iPod. Will look at the box, probably not even know what the ***** Safari is. You have to realise that a normal user needs their hand held all the way through, even what I would call 'basic' operations such as installing an application. And if they're not completely informed that X application is a new piece of software or even some kind of message INDICATING that it's going to install a new piece of software, then it's *****. Sure, you can have a box saying "Install 2 items" but that's hardly a warning.
- SSUK, on 03/22/2008, -1/+10Lucky. Mine comes up as "Quicktime + iTunes", one check box. Have to install BOTH or none at all.
- sadilak, on 03/22/2008, -1/+10Office 2008 is not an update . It is a software DVD or a download. MS will not stuff Messenger down your throat if you have not installed it
- DiggLive, on 03/22/2008, -1/+10It's not about bundling applications during an install. It's about pushing NEW software with update programs when iTunes is installed.
- SSUK, on 03/22/2008, -1/+9iriver plus 3 is my personal choice, but WMP is also good. iTunes is bulky on Windows platforms.
- jrignaci, on 03/22/2008, -0/+8Agreed; a lot of my friends like using iTunes, but I've always found it hella slow for such an allegedly smooth and intuitive music player. I like WMP's file ordering system and service organization; all it needed was an iPod plugin, and I've never gone back to iTunes since then.
- jakem1, on 03/22/2008, -1/+9Then why don't Apple leave the option unticked by default so Safari doesn't get accidentally installed. What they've done is underhanded.
- wonderchemist, on 03/22/2008, -4/+12How low of an opinion do you have of windows users to think this would trick them? Every windows users (or learns fast) that they must opt-out and not in.
- ibeetle, on 03/22/2008, -1/+9The internets are flipping out. Even many pro Apple blogs and message boards are chastising Apple for this.
- sadilak, on 03/22/2008, -2/+10Dude, what are you talking about. Apple has been there for the same amount of time as MS or maybe a shade older. They have always been extremely greedy. Greed is gonna make em Rotten.
- djsim, on 03/22/2008, -5/+13Not like Windows apps ever resemble each other...
- cubed2d, on 03/22/2008, -0/+8why would you want to uninstall it? windows uses Internet explorer as a component in many other apps. writing some software and want inbuilt HTML rendering? (for example, quite a lot of auto update programs for games use HTML to show the change log) you could implement your own HTML renderer, that would take ages, you could integrate an open source renderer but that's overkill and potentially very difficult, or you could just include a simple com component and ask windows to draw the page for you. if Internet explorer was there, this could not happen. there's no grantee that there is another browser on the system to render HTML, and no grantee that it implements the same interface to allow windows to request it to render HTML in a separate application easily.
- banmaster, on 03/22/2008, -1/+9Stop spouting *****.
MS always gives you a choice, even the Windows Update service lets you choose which individual updates (even the critical ones) are installed! Hell, you can even tell specific updates to ***** off and NOT be offered in the future. I'd LOVE to see apple treat their stupid 'ooooh shiny thing' customers with that sort of respect! - carnag3aus, on 03/22/2008, -1/+9Reply button, use it?
- Severys, on 03/22/2008, -0/+7Erm, it is. The OS X dvd has xcode on it.
- inactive, on 03/22/2008, -1/+8So just because Microsoft does something bad, then Apple should to? Shut up, cretin.
- twiztidsinz, on 03/22/2008, -2/+9Why does Windows Live Messenger installer offer to install Windows Live Writer, Windows Live Photo Gallery, or the Windows Live Kitchen Sink?
True... but NONE are selected by default and NONE as an 'update' or 'upgrade' - banmaster, on 03/22/2008, -2/+9Hes just a bit pissed thjat MS has sold over 120m copies of Vista in the same timeframe that barely 500,000 macs with OSX have been shifted.
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