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- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+119Damn I wish I lived in Japan.
- olegk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+94and in USA telcos simply stole $200 billion of your money instead of providing service like that
- xst4t1kx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+98Yeah, they have some phat tubes.
- Foo667, on 10/12/2007, -13/+83Japs is a shortening of Japanese. It's only racist if you intend it to be that way since it is merely a simple contraction of the term and is extremely likely to be employed by someone with no knowledge of the term's past racist reference. This debate has been done to death with the japs/japanese thing, and there's absolutely no evidence in his post that he intended it to be derogetary.
There's far more damage in running round calling every innocent proclaimation of a term that might be on someone's 'bad list' out, than there ever is in being one of the unfortunate saps who gets caught out by someone desperate to take the high road. - neoknight, on 10/12/2007, -1/+70Japan - Bullet Train
Everywhere else - Choo - Choo's
Japan - 100 mbps
Everywhere else - 8.5 seconds to load digg. - *correction, they seem to be addressing that issue since v3, good job. - kuchino, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53Blame Telco
- compbuilder00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+43That puts to Shame my 20/5 Fios
- weeFred, on 10/12/2007, -8/+51I'm from Scotland, that makes me Scottish or a Scot. Is calling me a scot racist? Of course not
@AndrewJC
Your arguement doesn't really make sense as ***** isn't short for anything, and it takes less time to say black anyway. Grow up ppl - TheWriteGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44Cry me a river. (Me bitter at 1.25Mbps.)
- kafitz22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40meanwhile I'm still measuring my broadband in kBps...
- MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38Monopolies and cartels.
- ionix18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34I live in Japan and it's not that bad. I get 80mbits down and 79mbits even during peak hours. It depends on your ISP. First you have to pay the telco (NTT) to get the fiber then you subscribe to a 3rd party ISP. I am subscribed to OCN which is owned by the telco. Some people are on YahooBB which is crap and gives only 26mbits/s. Good for internet but choppy for IpTV. Oh yeh, VoIP is free but local calls are charged per minutes here so it's not like they are giving it 100% free.
- qpid, on 10/12/2007, -23/+56I guess the internet *is* a series of tubes....
Those japanese are the reason why ted stevens' internet didn't show up til Friday morning... - alphacorvus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33So you're telling me that the United States, the country that built railroad tracks across that entire enormous landmass you mentioned back when it was completely unheard of, the country that linked Europe and America in 1866 with a transatlantic telegraph cable, can't possibly deal with a geographic complication again and roll some fiber out there?
Give me a break. There's no reason that major metropolitan areas should not have fiber - I bet they're somewhat similar to some Japanese cities in population density. So why isn't it out there?
Corporate greed. - fatmatt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35They have some phat dump trucks as well.
http://thelocust.org/blog/434 - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28"In the US, a 15 mbit connection costs $50 a month."
FiOS?
My 5Mb/384K Time-Warner connection is $44 a month, which is the average cable connection speed for consumers right now. Some "lucky" TW customers are getting 8Mb now for the same price.
I don't mind the speed, it's faster than most sites can handle anyway, what I mind is the price they're charging for it! It is the same price as *five years ago.* They need to drop it down to $15 a month. These monopolist pricks won't do anything until you hold a gun to their head. Where is the FCC? Probably wasting taxpayer $$$ censoring TV shows for the word *****!
***** you FCC! - meez, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35FYI, being completely unable to understand the concept of context makes you look like an idiot.
- graemee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25Yeah, maybe if the porn industry ran the internet, we'd all have 1GB into the house.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Wow. I have comcast and I pay $65/mo (if I recall, that doesn't count taxes or fees, either) for 8mbit/768kbps. I almost never get higher than 4mbit, though because the area I live in is saturated with techies and inefficient pipe.
So if I were to get comparable speeds to the Japanese, I guess that would run me about $800/mo (100mbit/8mbit).
Of course, I am pretty happy with my 8mbit down... but 768kbps UP?! That's ridiculous. When the ***** are they going to start giving us reasonable upload speeds? - robdon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21reads article... looks at azureus icon in dock..... wishes he lived in japan...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I wonder if the government subsidized there telecoms to the tune of 200 billion dollars
maybe they just held the telcoms responsible for their promises.
I am also amazed at all the "free economy capitalists" wont blink an eye at subsidies. They will be sitting there gladly with their hands out. But wait until someone talks about regulating that hand out and all of a sudden government doesn't know crap and non interference is the best policy when it comes to business.. I wonder why people werent screaming that the government is ruining capitalism when they got subsidies.
I also never hear complaints when major companies get bailed out of problems.. In a truely free market economy, airlines would simply fail after a terorist attack. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20"Blame Telco"
No, blame the FCC. If they would have made the right decision and classified cable companies as Common Carriers after they started offering internet and VOIP, "Net Neutrality" wouldn't even be an issue.
You can also blame the Supreme Court for upholding the FCC's stupid decision in a recent court case. - kubudubudubuntu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Here in sweden we get 100Mbps fiber optics for about 43$/month, but its 100Mbit down/10Mbit up
- AndrewJC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Hell, if I could get 10Mbps upstream, I'd run my entire website from my home.
- elektricki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Tubes seems to be a popular word on digg today.
- wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18100mbit is all well and good if people actually play fair and seed instead of leeching
- MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21It looks like the system of tubes isn't going to scale. Perhaps they should consider using a dump truck instead.
- magila, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15The land mass argument only works until you realize that even the most densely populated areas in the US still generally have ***** for broadband compared to places like Japan and Sweden.
- jblade, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18They are the ones clogging all our tubes.
- weeFred, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17lol then i would have to point your ignorant ass to a map :-P
- DoctorNo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20The problem with the word "jap" is that its been used in a derogatory manner for too long.
Same goes for the word "nip", which is simple contraction of the word "Nippon", which is the Japanese word for Japan, and yet is most certainly a racist term.
However, due to its historical usage both terms are considered racist. The mere fact that we are discussing this should indicate that it may not be the proper word to use. Even words like "negro", which isn't derogatory per se, is still inapproriate in most modern social enviroments. - Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13You mean Eh, Oh Well.
- SirZRX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14JAPAN:
$36/month = 100Mbps fiber-optic broadband and free VoIP.
MEXICO:
$32/month = 512/128Kbps ADSL , Firewalled and a gay shared public IP.
Me:
Crying! =.....( - akatsuki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The higher population density does not explain why I can't get those speeds in New York. After having lived in Japan for a while, you see so many of the elderly using technology like keitai without much trouble. Partially because they are better, and partially because Japanese aren't afraid of technology.
Frankly, if they offered 1000Gbps, it would get used. I don't think there is an upper limit for demand forseeable for a long time. Anyone here who thinks that mere 10Gbps is enough has never really experienced what a true fat pipe is like. Instead of ramping up for the future, the telcos and backbone providers waste their time trying to buy politicians. - Plezops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13ditto! I wish i even had their 8mbs connections.... damn telecom companies...
- cdmarcus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16In the US, a 15 mbit connection costs $50 a month.
- Spaz007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"No, blame the FCC."
No the telcos really did steal from us. They have gotten 18 billion in tax cuts and were allowed price hikes by the FCC to start putting in fiber in every house in the US. That was in 1993 and was meant to be done around 2006. Wait it IS 2006 and where in the ***** is my fiber at... Telcos suck! - lightningrod220, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11... and spam would be the only email we get.
... ohhh, wait... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@weeFred - What if I call you Scotch? Or better yet, English? :D
- DiggCommando, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I thought the same. In fact, if people keep using it in non-obvious jokes it will just legitimize the phrase and make Ted Stevens seem like a visionary instead of a moron.
- Foo667, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11They have none.
Bandwidth capping is a western corporate invention much along the lines of the imminent Tiered 'Net (net neutrality) differentiations. They don't need to exist, but by implemening them on a sufficiently wide scale the corps will seed the belief that they are neccesary and inevitable, and hence accepted. - fullback, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Some comments after having been intimately involved through all iterations of internet connections in Japan over the past 12 years:
1. The Japanese infrastructure is not strained as the author states in the article. It's arguably the best on the planet. Bandwidth utilization is like factory capacity - you ideally want to be operating above 80% capacity. Any more capacity is wasted investment and bandwidth capacity is added easily and systematically managed. There aren't a bunch of 12 year olds running things and the end of the world is not just around the corner. Western media and writers always seem to think that they have discovered the next disaster waiting to happen, when in fact, engineers and those who build systems have thought about, and anticipated things long before the writer ever thought they did.
2. Japan ranks 2nd from the bottom in the world in English language proficiency (last place is North Korea), so the servers located outside Japan are a small percentage of traffic. The domestic infrastucture is extraordinarily fast accessing the domestic servers and domestic latency is very low. Think for a moment about the reliability of Japanese cars and other electronics. The Japanese domestic infrastrucure is actually a marvel of reliability and efficiency in comparison - and that makes it very impressive. You just don't see the switch and router problems you see in other areas of the world.
3. There are no bandwidth caps. Bandwidth is an investment that is amortized. We don't have to dig electrons out of the ground, process them in an electron factory before we package and sell them. Metering is profit tool of choice.
4. Sometimes governments get it right when the people in government discover that they are consumers too. Every once in a while, they create regulations that promote cost-efficient technology that they would like have for themselves, and all of society benefits, not just the companies involved. Not always, but it does happen...
5. The cost comparison is not valid without considering cost of living. That $36 is just the exchange rate - that $36 feels like nothing to me in Japan comapred to what $36 feels like in the US. The net effect being that it's like having one Pizza Hut delivery per month for me.
6. The argument that the US is too big for this type of broadband is nonsense. All cities across the world have similar densities, so if it is true, why haven't large cities in the US had this bandwidth for years? Well, the basic reason is that it requires spending some investment and US telecoms are not interested in investing, they are interesting in milking every penny out of old and paid for technology for as long as possible. If the country is so big, how in the world did everyone get phone and power lines to their house generations ago? Think about it...
7. If you want to know about a word, the dictionary is the tool you use. The word "Jap" is defined as a racial slur. If you don't believe me, argue with all the dictionary people. It is a racial slur because all racial slurs are based on usage and intent. Just because someone is ignorant of the history and use of a word from a time before they were born, doesn't mean the definition is wrong and they are right. It just means they are ignorant. - frukt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9*cough* somebody needs a shrink *cough*
- Yrlec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9In Sweden there bandwidth caps are very rare. The 100 down/10 up connection mentioned above is without restrictions.
- ronaldst, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Also remember to take into account that a typical home is closer together. In North america, we're farther away from each other's homes. More tubes to put up, more costs involved.
- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13We really should stop referring to the internet as a series of tubes.....remember not everyone gets the joke/reference...I'm hearing people refer to the internet as a series of tubes lately....people who don't even know who Ted Stevens is....
- Sentinel88, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@ilyag
Do you know the difference between KB and Kb? You internet connection is not 1 MB/s down, it's 1 Mb/s down. 100 KB/s is 800 Kb/s and 150 KB/s is 1200 Kb/s or 1.2 Mb/s.
So your BitTorrent speeds are perfectly normal. - masterofshadows, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@ccrook:
Gee thats funny, I seem to remember my taxes going toward laying a fiber network, which the telcos squnadered and didn't do what they promised. - NinjAlt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I tell you what. Make it illegal to sell gil and armor in game for real world cash and that 158Gbps will cut down to about 50Gbps
- cookiemonster01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7i think that's pretty obvious to all of us already.
but just try looking at silicon valley; it just can't compare. japan is just willing to fork out dough to create better technology even when it's risky business. -
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