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- davidv, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11They didn't order them to, they asked them to, and Yahoo said yes, no doubt so as not to hurt buisness relations with the government.
- BGFeltenink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6READ THE ***** ARTICLE YOU ***** IDIOTS!!!
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. You're all calling this guy a traitor because you read the headline?!?!!?!?!
10 years... and who knows how true that is... because he posted a government memo forbidding any talk about the Tiananmen Square massacre's 15th aniversary.
I need some sheers, these sheep are getting to me. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -15/+20That's right, grammar police rock!
I am tired of reading random drivel from opinionated hermits. If I am going to read something, I would hope the person that wrote it put some thought and at least a spell-check into the equation. There is too much information in the world to waste time reading 13 year old chat-speak.
Spelling and grammar are out of control on tEh FasTarwEb. If you are supposed to sound intelligent and have people take your point seriously, it would be good to not come across as a slob.
smellinator - Keep fighting the good fight!
usefulidiot - thumbs down - clevershark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I hope they get sued and have the resultant bad publicity take a chunk out of their share price. Companies only care about their valuation, and if it's shown that acting like a jailhouse snitch can negatively affect that valuation, companies will have to think about that effect in the future before they effectively deliver someone into torture and slavery to the Chinese government.
- Inthraller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The exact same thing could happen in America, if a company had information on who divulged a state secret and didn't turn it over, someone would be going to jail for a obstruction of justice.
- BGFeltenink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Where the hell did it mention child abuse???
The guy is not a traitor... all he did was post that the government had issued a ban on the media. That ban was in direct relation to the massacre of Tiananmen Square. That's a 'state secret?'
I can't believe how easy it is to just say, "thems the rules" and have you ***** sheep baaa in line to await your own slaughter. - zapada, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9If we all ignored China economically... we would no longer have Wal-Mart.
- Inthraller, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7One of the problems that I see in the whole "China issue" is that many people expect American companies to ignore Chinese law. A hypothetical situation a Chinese company begins offering internet services in America and on one of those services, someone is spreading child porn. Now, how would we feel if the Chinese company didn't want to coperate with the Americans who wanted to arrest the child pornagrapher. Now granted, I know the issue has nothing to do with child pornography (it was the first thing I could think of that's illegal to do on the internet here). I think it's really arrogant for people to expect an American company to operate in a foreign country and igonre that countries laws, and unfortunatley with so many Chinese getting internet service Yahoo and Microsoft and Yahoo all need to get a stake in that business.
- dwhitbeck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Let me see now, is Yahho a company that belongs to a democratic country or to a comminist country? If they have to violate our constitutional principles to do business in China, then they should not be doing business in China. There is a limit as to how low down a company should stoop and still be allowed to incorporate within the U.S.
- ShadowRider, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If you want to do business in China, you have to follow the laws. Hey RIAA and MPAA can sue The Pirate Bay too.....oh wait, they're in Sweeden guess they can't, gotta follow the laws.
- ClicknMiken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The question of what a multinational company should do when one government demands information that the other government's laws protect is not one that gets asked only regarding overseas countries.
Some Canadian provinces are currently working on legislation so that there is a clear answer. Under the proposed laws, it would be illegal (to the tune of a half-million dollar fine) for a company to release information to the U.S. government under its controversial USAPATRIOT Act. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10... and ignore money? Americans, for one, have insatiable greed. We want mo money!
- TomSawyer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This is a great turn of events. You're just following the laws of China by turning over journalists? Fair enough. It's legal here to sue you for your dirty dealings overseas.
- TomSawyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The state secret in question -- for those like inthraller who couldn't be bothered to read the article -- was "a government order barring Chinese media from marking the 15th anniversary of the brutal Tiananmen Square crackdown on democracy activists."
- scott1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sue a goverment that restricts your freedoms and civil rights good luck with that.
- ClicknMiken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Makes no sense? North American corporations *should* stand up to the Chinese government. People cheer when Google stands up to the U.S. government, but somehow it's alright for Yahoo to roll over for a government that is much worse.
- scotty1024, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Dirty dealings? You mean like throwing Journalists in jail because they refuse to name sources that revealed to them the names of covert government agents?
Wake up, we do it here in America.
Remember ALL Governments are inherently evil! What made the US of A special was we tried to chain our evil monster. But after 230 years of straining on those chains our evil monster has a lot more length in those chains than it had originally. - scotty1024, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That should help clear things right up.
[Canadian Business]: Hello, I'd like to open a US Business account so my American customers can do business with my Business easily.
[US Bank]: We'd be happy to help you setup that account. First the PATRIOT act requires us to know who we are dealing with.
[Canadian Business]: Sorry, my provincial government will fine me $500,000 if I tell you anything required by the PATRIOT act.
[US Bank]: Well unless you can meet the requirements of the PATRIOT act I'm afraid we can't setup a Business Account for you. Buh bye! - gravedigga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@BGFeltenink
USA doesn't respect human rights either. But of course for you it's just ok, they're the bad guys. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"... and ignore money? Americans, for one, have insatiable greed. We want mo money!"
Its our greed that makes us want to become protectionists. The rest of the world is better off due to globalization. The US simply doesn't have anything to offer the world that places like China and India cant build or research for less. - Alphabet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@scotty
that american story is different. He leaked out secrets that were there to protect america. He told everyone a secret CIA operative that was protecting america from, get this, WMDs(weapons of mass destruction). Basically, when her cover was blown, the entire operation was destroyed.
For example, say a policeman went undercover into a gang hideout, so he can find their base of operations and shut the gang down. But the police chief told you the policeman's name, AND THEN told you to tell his name to the world. Not only are you placing the policeman's life in danger, you're also destroying the entire operation. - BGFeltenink, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3They're called human rights.
- BGFeltenink, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The guy is getting 10 years for posting that the government had forbid any media talk about the Tiananmen Square massacre.
Did you RTFA?
Oh well, thems the rules eh? - ClicknMiken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Obviously the company may need to give information about itself in order to conduct business. The proposed provincial laws would restrict companies from giving information *about their customers* to foreign governments.
Besides, banks needing to know who their account holders are is a logistical concern. It has nothing to do with the USAPATRIOT Act. - brandizzle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It isn't Yahoo's job to do jack ***** in terms of defending a journalist. In any situation where it's Government vs Company the Government is going to win. Yahoo did the right thing. They cooperated with the laws of that country. Whether or not anyone agrees with those laws is irrelevant.
Not everyone lives in America....it's very nice that we're so patriotic and believe in our freedoms, but China doesn't. - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Bastards
- scotty1024, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Chinese personal privacy rules are pretty western these days, and complete with the usual western exceptions for government snooping to assure themselves that no one is getting ready to put a knife in their back.
Also keep in mind that western governments don't usually protect sensitive data only by law. They generally depend more upon personal contracts directly with the people that will be handling the data. Those contracts are under NDA themselves but generally it is said of them that you basically give up any rights to privacy from the Government along with other rights that could be inconvenient to the Government if they feel you have gone rogue on them and need to stick you in a hole while they prove it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this journalist, working in a Country with Government owned media, hadn't signed some documents that gave the Government all kinds of powers of investigation. In essence the Journalist in this case may have pre-authorized the Government to have permission to get the data from Yahoo.
Couple that with his now being a _convicted traitor_ and I doubt there is a court in any jurisdiction that will say anything bad about Yahoo. After all, Yahoo is the hero in this case. They helped the Chinese Government catch and convict a traitor before he could do more damage.
In this case I think China has shown great restraint. In America the FBI would have searched his home/work computers and found at least one picture that one of their experts would testify was of an a under age girl and the Government would have nailed him as a traitor and a pedophile. It doesn't get much lower than being a child abusing traitor. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Dissidents threaten the stability of the government. This can be either a good thing or a bad thing depending on the government. I think we have learned from Iraq that democracy doesn't just happen. I also think its fairly safe to say that dissention without some better alternative is a degenerative process.
- scott1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why sue?He was reasting aganist his counries coumumist SOB's
- smellinator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I just thought it was humorous that HALF the words with more than four letters were misspelled. And that's WITH a "Check Spelling" button and a three minute edit period!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1haha no, we would have wal-smart where everything would be imported from India. Remember they have 1 billion people too.
- Reality3k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1His family needs to go after the correct target. Most companies will release information if requested by the government, especially during the investigation of a crime. It makes no sense to put Yahoo in the position of standing up to the Chinese government.
- gravedigga, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0No digg. The real question is: Shouldn't they sue China?
The other way round would be a family in China suing yahoo for turning over info to the USA govt. about their son, a spy working for China, for example.
and don't tell me you're free in USA. The big money-rollers are free, but not you. - scotty1024, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0You will never see the USA say that corporations shouldn't turn over information on traitors to the local government.
After all, we have our share of traitors too and we don't want anyone getting in our way when we set out to catch and convict them.
The Chinese government labeled this Journalist a traitor. Yahoo behaved properly. It is not Yahoo's place to question if this Journalist was a traitor, that is what Chinese Courts decide, and they did: he's guilty.
Does the US of A classify things secret just because they'd be embarrassing to the US of A? Of course it does. If they catch you releasing those documents will you wind up in Marion Illinois? Of course you will. - xxdesmus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2***** pathetic. It's not Yahoo's fault this moron leaked government secrets. This will get laughed out of court in the US.
- BBaileys, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4So exactly what are they suing Yahoo for? More than likely the Chinese government ordered Yahoo to turn over the evidence. China doesn't exactly have the same personal privacy laws that are present in other countries, even if they did the government ordering a private company to turn over records should clear them from legal actions.
- tdowling, on 10/12/2007, -15/+11(Come on, now. If you're going to correct grammar and spelling, at least do it right!)
And so the "Suing Yahoo!™" bandwagon begins... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -21/+17Actually, he didn't correct any of the guy's grammar at all. He corrected his spelling. You come on here and bitch about grammar nazis, and that's a lot worse than the grammar nazi himself.
- Jedeye459, on 10/12/2007, -14/+9If everybody turned there backs on China economicly then WWIII would only be a few years away
- davidv, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4I wish everyone ganged up and decided to ignore buisness with China like somone suggested a few months ago. (Bill Gates was it?) Then maybe things could change for the better, though it's probably just wishfull thinking really.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Thats is because Gates is knee deep in India
- Jedeye459, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Proves that its not good to keep secrets.
- smellinator, on 10/12/2007, -37/+23And so the suing Yahoo Band Wagon begins...
(translated for the benefit of the English speaking among us.) - usefulidiot, on 10/12/2007, -37/+13grammar nazi's are real cool
get the sand out of your vagina
digg-- - energyblue, on 10/12/2007, -32/+6And so the sueing Yahoo™ Band Wagen begins...
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