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- whurley, on 10/14/2007, -0/+2So I was writing a post about the same issues with people abusing the BarCamp model when I got a message about Alex's post (which sums up the current situation nicely). That said, I'm going to expand on my post and publish it next week along side a podcast with some of the BarCamp leaders giving their take on this upsetting trend. Both will be available on http://whurley.com early next week. Want to participate in the podcast? Just drop me a line.
- factoryjoe, on 10/14/2007, -0/+2I'll definitely be personally following up with the organizers. I'm absolutely against any pitchforking -- and want to make sure that we, as the BarCamp community, can provide an example for how best to deal with issues where use of the BarCamp mark is contested.
- mitten, on 10/14/2007, -0/+1Why don't you take a moment to talk to the organizers, ask them some questions instead of accusing them of abuse and maybe even include them in your podcast? Their contact info is on the wiki page. http://arborwiki.org/city/ArbCamp The event isn't commercialized, no one is making money. I think a lot of concerns about this so-called 'commercialization' might be put to rest with a simple human to human conversation, at least in the case of the event in Ann Arbor - I don't know what's being done elsewhere.
- inactive, on 10/14/2007, -0/+1towers open fire
- audiocollective, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1I have been to the GR Bar camp and to ArbCamp and I got 10 times more info out of ArbCamp. It was a great event and a lot more planned (in a good way) then many of the events I have been to. The atmosphere at times felt like people were there to just give a presentation but that was quickly corrected by people sharing ideas and engaging in some really great community conversation. I hope there are more events like ArbCamp in the future.
- vaguery, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1I think the answer to the question is "probably not, no". whurley, others, when would you like to open this conversation up to the participants of ArbCamp, and also the people who said we were ruining BarCamp's brand by being too diverse and inviting too many non-geeks and therefore ruining the openness?
- vaguery, on 10/15/2007, -0/+0Can we really expect anything to happen on this front? I haven't heard a peep from anybody but us Ann Arborites. Will the instigators just prefer to leave the question hanging in the air as an accusation, or will they actually have this conversation and close the issue for good?
- inactive, on 10/27/2007, -0/+0awesome time thanks everyone
- inactive, on 10/14/2007, -0/+0http://homelessdave.com/totterarchive8.htm#13Octob ...
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Because of the comparison to Teeter Talk, the Rain Barrel Bath Buddies project has already stirred up a great deal of controversy. Homeless Dave, who founded Teeter Talk, claims that Rain Barrel Bath Buddies is not at all like Teeter Talk. "Loosely based on?! How about, Not at all like?!" complained Dave. "This Barrel Buddies thing shares none of the values of Teeter Talk and I wish they would just stop saying it's Teeter Talk in a rain barrel. If there's no totter, it's not Teeter Talk. They should just stop saying it. Stoppit, stoppit, stoppit."" - GenXDerek, on 10/15/2007, -0/+0You guys are so funny. And I need some humor. Thanks Ed and Bill and Homeless Dave. And yes, I have arranged for alligators at the upcoming ArbCamp.
- GenXDerek, on 10/14/2007, -0/+0I have learned more about Bar Camp. Actually we took a lot of the feedback on our event from people who seem to know all about barcamp. So thanks for the input. We are not interested in commercializing bar camp, I can tell you this.
- vaguery, on 10/14/2007, -0/+0I'd love to see a good discussion of commercialization of BarCamp come out of this. I've been involved in a lot of groups, with values similar to the BarCamp community's, for a long time. But all the others have gone through this same sad dynamic. So if you collectively can discover a cunning idea on how to stop it, or how to channel that negative inevitability, I'd love to see.
Meanwhile, I still don't see how ArbCamp was a valid target. It was a bitch-slap for somebody who was trying to learn, and the way it was handled by "the community" spells the end of good PR for BarCamp in our area. Which is sad: BarCamp is the latest and best incarnation of something we could have used. - bkerr, on 10/14/2007, -0/+0Short answer to parent question is: no.
Chris -- naturally, feel free to get in touch. Same goes for anybody else who would rather learn about what we're doing as an alternative to -- or at least, ahead of -- opening fire.
As mitten noted, we're not hard to get a hold of. In particular, you can reach me via contact info on arborwiki or at http://joechip.net/brian/
That said, I've been more focussed on communicating about this event locally. My guess is that it'll be the first open space event for most people who attend. So I haven't invested much time in countering or otherwise speaking to the barcamp regulator crowd, beyond continuing edits and messaging on the wiki, etc. ... These changes are directed primarily at the people we're inviting and attracting to the event -- but may have the side-effect of clarifying the structure and character of the event for the regulators who haven't, thus far, gotten, or cared to get, it.
Thanks --BK - vaguery, on 10/14/2007, -0/+0Oh, jeez. These folks are *so* not going to get that. But I can just hear Derek bringing up those damned alligators of his again. If hasn't got alligators, it's not a Mehraban Production™.
Hey, did anybody actually arrange the alligators yet for ArbCamp?
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