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- Aerynvala, on 01/29/2009, -1/+42This is a great idea! Because, of course, they've never identified the wrong person in these cases.
- inactive, on 01/29/2009, -1/+39This should be put in Odd Stuff - because it is odd that an ISP accepts responsibility for what people are doing via it's gateway.
Royal Mail don't accept responsibility for what people put in envelopes and post each other, and don't open envelopes (or allow anybody else to open envelopes) to check for illegal content.
It's odd anybody would be bothered about being disconnected by an ISP as they could just pay another ISP for internet access - thus the ISP who disconnected them lose customers and money.
It's odd that the music industry turned down VMU.
It's odd that the music/movie bodies are able to influence governments and the ISP's to such a degree as to change laws and business practices to such an extent.
It's odd that nobody has told the RIAA, BPI and MPAA to ***** off.
By the way, to the RIAA, BPI, MPAA, and all those who bow down to them -
***** OFF - Totz83, on 01/29/2009, -1/+28An e-mail I sent to Eircom -
""Dear Sir/Madam,
I have some questions regarding the recent decision taken by Eircom to disconnect people accused of file-sharing,
* My first question is an important one, I underlined the word accused in my opening sentence because it seems that accusations of infringement qualify for evidence in this case, is that a fair assumption? Are the accusations made by the IFPI a solid indication of guilt? Will Eircom independently investigate claims before taking action against accused customers?
* If an individual is downloading an apparent copyrighted file, will it be considered infringement even if the file is not 100% downloaded. I don't see how this would be possible since it isn't really infringement unless the media is in possession of an individual. A file that is not fully downloaded is therefore not considered to be "in the persons possession".
* Will Eircom release any personally identifiable information on it's customers to any party involved in the policing/enforcent of Copyright Laws? If so, will Eircom tell it's customers of any such disclosures?
* Will the reported IP numbers be dealt with on a "per IP" bases or a "per user" bases? Meaning, will Eircom enforce any warning/ban on singular (perhaps dynamic) IPs, or will you enforce any legislation on the individual, thus keeping records of, and perhaps releasing personal records of dynamic IP usage?
My final question is more of a personal one,
Why did Eircom decide to give into a faceless organization instead of stand by it's loyal customers and do everything in their power to protect the people that keep the company afloat?
Other ISPs in other nations have done the latter, with no detrimental effects. It's a slap in the face to the people that chose Eircom as their ISP. I'm sure that a great deal of internet savvy users will be ditching Eircom over this. Eircom has passed on the chance to gain popularity with it's users by standing up for their Anonymity, Privacy and Freedom online.
Hopefully my concerns, which are shared by many will be addressed.
Kindest Regards,""
Reply will be interesting - imnotthatstupid, on 01/30/2009, -0/+13I will explain how Eircom will lose customers in this step chart...
1) Eircom bans user
2) User then uses friend's computer
3) Friend's computer is banned
4) Both users switch to different ISP - iceman0113, on 01/29/2009, -0/+10It's ok, because once they disconnect everyone, they won't have customers. I give it about a month before they retract that statement and realize that their customers are going to their competitors. If they disconnect someone, then that person will simply stop paying the bill because there's no use in paying for something you can't use, ergo people will leave and drop them in droves.
- cardyology, on 01/30/2009, -0/+9***** RIAA etc..
- Robzzz, on 01/30/2009, -0/+7It's worse than that... the Record Industry will be the one supplying the IPs of who has being infringing copyright. Eircom will blindly accept all these, regardless of the level of evidence acquired. Usually from shady companies like MediaSentry. Customers have no re-course. Record Industy say you did it, you did it... bye bye connection...
- zombiecarlin, on 01/30/2009, -0/+7Eircom is and always has been *****, they have never made any effort to provide decent service $75 a month for a 7mb down 300 kb up connection with 50GB limit on usage after which they charge about $10 a gig. Third World bandwith. Not to mention they have done everything feasable to make the market uncompetative. Unsurprising when people keep voting in Fianna FAIL into government.
***** the lot of them, thank god I know longer live there. - Tarnum, on 01/30/2009, -0/+7No Comment. Click. (disconnect sound)
- Yage2006, on 01/30/2009, -0/+6This sure makes me want to run out and buy a CD.
- Duckert, on 01/30/2009, -0/+6Luckily I'm downloading a discography through my neighbour's Eircom WiFi so
- KRG12345, on 01/30/2009, -0/+5Epic. They're going to give you a form letter though...
- nobeastsofierce, on 01/30/2009, -0/+5http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Royal-M ...
"We do X-ray parcels and use intelligence and sniffer dogs"
Also: In many parts of Ireland Eircom still have little or no competition of any worth - dawnraid101, on 01/30/2009, -0/+5***** this, New Zealand (where I live) has also just introduced new legislation that FORCES our isp's to do this, at the request of RIANZ (Recording industry of Australia and New Zealand, aka RIAA's bitch) with NO evidence just an ip. So much for innocent until proven guilty. Last week i heard the chief of New Zealand largest isp Xtra (part of the national telecom) say on the radio that its ridiculous and he advises people to invest in offshore VPN's or tunnels, yes that came from somebody at the top. All the Isp's are pissed at the government and even more pissed that "we may stand to loose up to 15% of our customer base".
***** RIANZ, ***** THE RIAA. - galwayrich, on 01/30/2009, -0/+5Wha? Did the Brits invade us again? ;)
- aballrap, on 01/29/2009, -0/+5eircom actually cant install monitoring systems because its against the law for privacy of the consumer..they wont catch ***** !!!
- SilverBlade2k, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4Watch as their profits dwindle as people bail for other ISP's
- Robzzz, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4They should have fought the case. I doubt they would have lost, with the recent rejections of similar penalty's in UK, France and the EU parliament. There was good precedents for these measures being untenable and in general unlawful...
Eircom needs to grow a pair... they capitulated to this protection racket of the music industry after only 8 days into the trial..
Now I have to go through the bothersome task of sending an angry e-mail to Eircom and moving ISP. Yay! - krystalo, on 01/29/2009, -2/+6This is not good, I really hope this doesn't go through.
- twiztidsinz, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4Please. Let me know when the RIAA sends DMCA notices to your ISP about you so that I can say "Boo Hoo".
ok.. maybe I wont say "boo hoo" due to all the laughing I'll be doing. - Skinner72, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4I'd be willing to bet that the Royal Mail do in fact allow some level of interdiction by law enforcement agencies.
- PopcornDave, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4Blank one I hope.
- Khast, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4That's what I am thinking will happen. ISP sees a large file being downloaded, they will jump to accuse you of pirating. This is going to be good for companies in direct competition with open source, and freeware developers.
- galwayrich, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4Gosh it looks like I'll have to steal wifi from my neighbours who use NTL now...
By the way, Eircom deserves to be deserted by their customers if they knowingly are sending out routers with an easily cracked WEP key even to this day.
http://s4dd.yore.ma/eircom/ - Myztry, on 01/30/2009, -0/+4Get rid of due process. It has so much business potential.
Instead of Microsoft using patent FUD against Linux while being unable to provide evidence, it could simply get the competitors customers disconnected when they get 'caught' downloading a Linux distribution. - sodoh, on 01/30/2009, -1/+4NTL do packet shaping to stop torrents. Of course it also lowers your speed to around 3-5k a second if you so much as look at a youtube video.
Neighbor got the package and returned it the following morning after he realised what they did.
Thread on it here.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20 ... - dawnraid101, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3Damn straight.
- miralize, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3I just upped my Broadband to 7MB. and with only 50Gb cap.. im not going to be able to download much anyway. Wanted to switch to Chorus but there were problems with the line. I hate Eircom so goddam much...
- sodoh, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3Eircom got forced to do this because the heads sent an email around some time back stating that P2P was good because it meant "less cocaine for rockstars", among other things.
I can't see the system working. people will just move to other providers or setup private VPN systems. Anyway eircom service sucks, unless your into just email.
There are Irish laws that protect an ISP for not monitoring traffic. Once they start monitoring then they become liable for all traffic going through their network. As I understand the settlement basically the RIAA will hand them over a list of IP addresses they believe are stealing music and Eircom will threaten/disconnect those users. - Duckert, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3Anyone else switching over to NTL?
40e a month for 20mb, no cap, no throttle. - PopcornDave, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3If the ISP is willing to accept responsibility of what's traveling through it's gateway, does that mean it's going to leave itself open to charges of being an accomplice to drug trafficking, child porn trading or even terrorist messages being sent - even if it's across their gateway?
I can't believe that ANY ISP would be so stupid as to claim responsibility for what their users do. That's like holding an auto manufacturer liable in a carjacking. - galwayrich, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3Dugg for FIANNA FAIL
- m0n0kr0m3, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3I think it's great that the ISP can shoot themselves in the foot by cutting off customers. I hope everyone gets cut off and the world will be a more productive place. The ISPs will be begging people to come back if everyone and there mom starts torrenting. Then what?
- strangewill, on 01/30/2009, -0/+3And offshore VPNs and tunnels can make some decent money while they're at it.
For every time a block is put up, another industry will step up and profit from it, thanks. - Swivelstick, on 01/30/2009, -1/+4Wot?But I agree that those who make terrible copies should illegeled
- samssf, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2"penalty's" should be "penalties".
- dlofnep, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2Somebody sucks at geography! And it sure isn't the three people that posted after aglandels!
- Irishsmurf, on 01/31/2009, -0/+2You last checked in 1922?
- hebejebelus, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2Of course, it's Eircom, which means that they have no idea what they're talking about.
However, if this does actually happen and work, I need to change my ISP. And maybe my country. Slovenia, here I come! - Myztry, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2It could in theory go both ways. Small software developers with could get large corporations disconnected.
Off course the reality is that ISP's will side with the most fiscal powerful entity as they are not equipped to make judgments.
Justice by measure of wealth. - nobeastsofierce, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2*****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****. *****
- blueswannabe, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2***** eircom for this
- cdb01, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2retards like you makes the internets funny...
- Sronpop, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2Ireland is not in the UK, i should know i live there, and i thank god im not on eircom aswell.
- alittleroy101, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2I can't even get broadband at my dad's house in Goleen.
- chthonical, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2I sense many brown packages in their future.
- PopcornDave, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2Then you need to start finding the IP of EVERY government institution and make sure those IP addresses are accused of file sharing. Shoot the bastards with their own ammunition.
- t4m5t3r, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2you should probably google search "Net Neutrality" becasue well you dont have a clue!!
the RIAA want to KILL Net Neutrality, Net Neutrality is kinda what we have now, and what they want to take away from us!!
so you get rid of Net Neutrality, you turn your PC into nothing more than a Digital TV (which is useless!! as we all know how much balls TV sucks!!) - rivalius13, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2I'm not being throttled, I'm on NTL, 10mb, get pretty good speeds.
Have BT at home, parents were asking me if it was worth switching back to Eircom, that WON'T be happening. - galwayrich, on 01/30/2009, -0/+2Sorry, your comment hurts my head to read. Listen, phrase a sentence in your head...... think also about punctuation, and then type it. Finally, proofread!
What you meant to say was...
"Irish have always BEEN AND ALWAYS will be a bunch of Pussies!"
Now write it out 100 times. -
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