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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+116YAY LETS ALL PIRATE MUSIC
- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+103That's it! I'm officially boycotting the purchases of any music until the music industry gets a clue... but I won't hold my breath for that to ever happen. luckily, there are more 'creative' ways to enjoy music.
and "the music industry's royalty collection organization, SoundExchange" can bite my ass. - DeathBorn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+91"Internet radio dealt severe blow"
Uh-oh...I'd better read the description!
"Internet Radio is not officially in big trouble."
Phew, that was close. Waaait a minute.... - mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+48Just another reason to not support these assclowns.
- TortfeasorG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+40Seriously. I hate to be a proofreading nag, but you can see how one mistyped letter actually says the complete opposite of what you're trying to say.
- FregTK, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Yeah, sometimes typos and omissions are ok, but in this case they are absolutely forgivable.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27wow well done RIAA, you've successfully managed to choke one of the biggest ways in which people listen to new music, now go figure when your music sales fall considerably
- M0b1u5, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Do you mean "now" instead of "not"?
Study English harder. Oh, and proof reading too. - idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Don't boycott *all* music. Just buy from independent bands and labels.
http://riaaradar.com/ is a good resource for determining the membership status of a band, and you can find some good independent punk music on http://interpunk.com/
Sorry if you're not a punk fan, but the (real) punk scene and its DIY ethos gives them more independence than any other genre.
some bands i reccommend:
ska - Big D and the Kids Table, The Arrogant Sons of Bitches, Fatter Than Albert, Operation Ivy, No Outlet
punk - The Copyrights, Captain Bringdown and the Buzzkillers, Autonomadic, Energy, INDK
emo/screamo - From First to Last, Fall of Troy, Texas is the Reason, My American Heart
etc - Flogging Molly, Bomb the Music Industry, Leftover Crack (and associated acts), Bright Eyes, Neutral Milk Hotel, Arcade Fire
You could also try looking at very old releases of bands that are now mainstream. Groups like Rise Against, AFI, Less Than Jake, MxPx, Five Iron Frenzy, and Anti-Flag all were independent at one point. IMO they were all better before they got signed.
Unfortunately, independent bands also tend to have small releases. You may just have to download anyways because there is no other way to get it :)
Finally, here's some indie punk labels on riaaradar that have signed famous bands:
http://riaaradar.com/search.asp?searchtype=ManufacturerSearch&keyword=Fat+Wreck+Chords
http://riaaradar.com/search.asp?searchtype=ManufacturerSearch&keyword=Side+One+Dummy
http://riaaradar.com/search.asp?searchtype=ManufacturerSearch&keyword=Epitaph - bmatherlyjr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Well, maybe this might have a reversed affect - Why doesn't EVERYONE (and I do mean EVERYONE) launch a station and just play music in protest? I say let's stock pile Sound Exchange legislative work load... After all; if they spend more money "protecting their interest" then revenue generated through enforcement perhaps they'll get the message.
- acdcfanbill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20I've been buying music off independant metal lables for the last few years. The RIAA won't ever see another cent of my money. Sadly that means I will be unable to complete some of my collections, Slayer being a major one, but it's a small price to pay for hopefully a larger message once many others vote the same way.
- RAEP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I've been "boycotting" for three years.
- Shaman760, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Artists such as myself frequently give away our music. Hey, I'd rather give out our product freely than have some executive of a large corporation put me and my bandmates into indentured servitude and put THEIR kids through college. Consequently, that's why the RIAA wages their little raids. That's what people do when they are being cut off from their source of lifeblood, oxygen, funding, whatever. They thrash about wildly in their throes of death.
Yep, the music I help create is freely available and this fact alone helps to take a bite out of the RIAA. Now multiply that by about a million through such sites as sonicbids, myspace, etc. The effect on these fat soon-to-be-former slaveowners is downright fun to watch and it's a slow and painful death for them- exactly what they deserve. Do you think that an artist sees ONE THIN DIME from their raids on 10 year old kids? Nope. They keep it all themselves.
So if we "give away the store", how do we artists make our money? We rely on the goodness of people who WILL buy a CD, a t-shirt, or any other piece of swag we hawk at our shows. Believe me, they are out there. Plus, being that we are able to reap a much larger profit margin; somewhere between $6-8 per disc as opposed to the $.50/per disc that the RIAA gave us means that we get paid in quality not quantity. And we keep ALL of our rights. Also, licensing of music for TV, movies, commercials, etc. means cash coming in ("mailbox money")
***** the RIAA. I sue hope they are losing much sleep, because they ought to be.
If you'd like to enquire about a CD or otherwise, email me at shaman760@yahoo.com and I'll point you in the right direction. :) - Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Please sign the petition urging your Congressional representatives to act to save Internet radio: http://capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/issues/alert/?alertid=9631541
It's automated - Fax, Email or Letter mailed for you.
Pandora mailed the petition out earlier... - spukeesan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Unfortunately moving overseas won't indemnify currently US-based stations from the years worth of back payment they owe on what was a perfectly legitimate venture in 2006 - Frankly I'm astounded that the Copyright Royalty Board has the balls to stand by such an overtly unfair decision. The next step is an appeals court in Washington... here's hoping DC lawmakers are a little more open-minded.
- interiot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11As pointed out elsewhere, this sort of scheme would let the RIAA shut down over-the-air radio, since it has to be geographically close to its listeners. But since this is internet radio, most places are probably going to move outside the US. It might mean that less flexible organizations like NPR might have to shut down streaming, but that's it.
- bmatherlyjr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Again, yes, INDEPENDENTS ARE COVERED BY THIS STRUCTURE please watch the Pandora CEO Interview where Tim outlined this. It doesn't matter what type of music you play online with this new structure all musical content will be billed at the new rate x 2 (once for the song writer license and once for the performance license) x the number of listeners listening to that song. This was vastly different from the OLD structure which only applied to songs owned by major music labels and BMI, ASCAP, SESAC please do your homework before you decide to give anyone an "economics" lesson.
- sid0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9For a great perspective on how the decision harms the free market, read
http://radiodismuke.blogspot.com/2007/03/unfree-market.html
(not my blog, of course)
Basically a group of judges decided to sit together and arbitrarily decide the royalty rate. - greg9683, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@acdcfanbill
You could buy stuff used from other owners. RIAA wouldn't make a cent off that and you could complete your collection. - sinurgy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Thanks for that riaaradar.com link! I just found out that Metropolis Records (awesome source for Industrial type music) is not associated with the RIAA!!!!
KMFDM, Frontline Assembly, VNV Nation, System Syn, Siva Six, etc. all RIAA safe, this is great news!! - LMaxey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8your all cheap
you should just...hold on one second uTorrent and Azureus are fighting for dominance of my ports - BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Do what you want cuz a pirate is free, you.. are.. a PIRATE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsJyfN0ICU - Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm with Digital Gopher, Boycott the music industry and send a clear message we will not tolerate this nonsense.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6what about local on-the-air stations that stream. will they have to pay twice, or will only payola stations be allowed to play.
- airwalkery2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yes, but it all seems so unnecessary.
- MercedRocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is the worst part of the story:
SoundExchange is jubilant over the ruling. Executive Director John Simson called the CRB's ruling a victory for performing artists and record labels. "Our artists and labels look forward to working with the Internet radio industry—large and small, commercial and noncommercial—so that together we can ensure it succeeds as a place where great music is available to music lovers of all genres," said Simson in a statement.
Working with them? None of them will be left jerkoff. - ryantollefson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Let's do something usefull & legal to help stop this.
Check out http://savenetradio.org
Sorry for the comment abuse, but here's the digg for it:
http://digg.com/search?section=news&s=savenetradio - taylorhayward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My music is free also. All free. All the time. http://taylorhayward.org
Peace brothers. - po43292, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Internet radio is everywhere. iTunes radio, local radio broadcast, it's mostly streamed online. How is anyone going to stop it?
- garamon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4***** THE RIAA!
- raindowg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm still seeing "not".
- threemonkeydust, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4to Blackcow:
Surely you mean
http://gprime.net/flash.php/youareapirate
or
http://www.hongfire.com/cg/showphoto.php/photo/68693/si/Pirate
(both probably NSFW, maybe, definitely, who knows, depends where you work!) - kingygk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It is a shame to see the RIAA attempt to kill off one of the best uses for the web. I will miss Internet Raido if they win.
- countdz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ok so here is what is happening...The RIAA has the copyright board in their pockets. The future is Internet radio!!! The RIAA and copyright board knows this . Here is the scenario, Radio is losing money faster than a hooker on crack. These numb nutz shot themselves in the foot by letting Clear Channel dominate the country and marketplace. Homogenization of music. So everybody starts tuning in to Internet radio cause there is plenty of music that people want to hear but can't on regular radio. So they got beat by the people again. Now they make sure the copyright board is on their side and can make all these Internet stations go out of business so only the Big Boys can play and make it exactly like regular radio again.
I do believe a solution exists: If all independent labels and musicians get together and form a coalition and decide to set their own royalty rate. We do not have to abide by this BS. It will keep it independent music on the stations and pay whatever this group sets as the rate. And the RIAA/Copyright Board and SoundExchange can spend all their hours calculating the new rates as much as they want. They will not beat the Internet into what they want it to be!! - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is actually pretty excellent, by hastening the traditional music studio demise we can move forward sooner into the post apocolyptic musical world where studios knoew thier new place in the grand scheme.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Awesome. Stop pirating by driving everyone to it.
- bmatherlyjr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4As to reference to the person that mentioned something about being more into independent music, unfortunately the new rate structure is a blanket ruling which means all music is subjected to the new price increase so regardless if you are broadcasting the latest Justin Timberfag song or your buddies demo you still pay the going rate for both the song writer and the performance multiplied by the number of listeners that happen to listen to the song at that time. I think this is what ultimately won the Copyright Royalty Board was the fact that Sound Exchange reps used a lot of double talk when presenting their argument "Sure, it's looks like a costly act that we are wanting to impose but look at all the people that will now benefit verses the current model..." they even were conning independent artists into this same ideology and by the time they were educated about the truth it was too late.
- antiNeo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Yay sarcasm!
- kcgirlgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why don't we flood SoundExchange CEO's inbox with annoying mail protesting their greedy asses? I've already sent my email.
Barrie Kessler
bkessler@soundexchange.com - wonboodoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I emailed my senators and congressman a month or two about this, and did receive a (surprisingly informed) response from Hillary Clinton's office who said that she'd watch how the appeal went. I'll reply back now telling her that the appeal failed and see if she can do something.
Anyway, the point is that contacting your senators (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm) and congressmen (http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/) can help, so please do so: - bmatherlyjr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2daveallen, anytime a work is created in the United States it is automatically copyrighted (something along those lines). Anyway, just because it's not licensed with ASCAP, BMI, SESAC or an artist represented by Sound Exchange doesn't mean someone didn't create it. Yes, it would be more of a challenge to "collect royalties" from lesser known artist but the way the law is "written" that's the key here, it implies that it wouldn't matter what song was played on RADIO (it doesn't matter if it's via TCP, UDP, ICMP, shortwave, FM, satellite) the royalties are applicable and are due to both the song publisher (the song writer) and the artist who performed it (either artist are distributed equally through the band). This is a key victory for Sound Exchange since they have tried to bully commercial radio into paying the later of the rates (ie the performance rates) since it has always paid the songwriters predating back to the 1930's and 40's. The United States has been slow to adapt the ideology that the artist should also be compensated for their works as well (As many times the artist performance and the song writing licensing fees are generally paid out to two separate entities) that was comments echoed by a representative of the RIAA / Sound Exchange on a popular podcast "CNet Buzz Outloud" just weeks ago. The advantage that big business has in this situation is that they can collectively "bargain" directly with Sound Exchange and the song writers licensor's for payment of smaller rates or different terms if they so agree. So in fact, if a web caster partners with a licensing company such as Loudcity they could benefit from any "deal" that they struck with the licensors and pay those locked in rates, otherwise they are "screwed". Please note, FM radio is infected only if they web cast the same station at this time, but it will not be long before terrestrial will fill the sting from the verdict on the AM/FM side. Shortwave same, I lumped them all in the same boat, while this direct verdict doesn't pertain to their current operations away from TCP/UDP at THIS time, this victory does give organizations such as Sound Exchange to further attack the traditional business model.
- cterryr2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fine. I will steal more than I ever had before.
They push us and we will push back.
$18.00 for a CD? Now, no internet radio from indi broadcasters?
They really know how to kill competition! Screw big business!!!
It's time to rebel! Let loose the pirates! Attack!
How are they going to enforce this world-wide? Long live the pirates and down with big brother! - Twango, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Every day under present leadership, something truly disgusting happens in this land of ours. This deliberate murder of internet radio is a prime example of how low these people can crawl.
- liminaldust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i have a feeling they just want to launch their own ***** internet radio and make a futile attempt make money off of it
- diablo75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wrote a letter to my congress representative, Nancy Boyda about this, and got a response from her today. Here's what it read:
Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on internet radio. I appreciate your comments. I apologize for my delayed correspondence as my office is still fine-tuning our mail process.
The internet has revolutionized the way we communicate and receive information. It has also changed the way we listen to music. Internet radio provides a great diversity of music that was unavailable before. It is also a way for lesser known artists to get their music out to a wider audience.
The Copyright Royalty Board's (CRB) recent decision to raise music royalty rates has been attempted before. In 2002, the CRB issued a decision that would have raised royalties for small-scale webcasters. Congress interceded with the Small Webcasters Settlement Act (SWSA) of 2002. Passed unanimously by both the House and Senate, the SWSA allowed for non-subscription small webcasters to negotiate a rate based on percentage of revenue or expenses rather than a per song/per listener basis. However, the SWSA did not specify what that percentage should be.
The recent CRB decision does not make a provision for small webcasters as called for in SWSA. That gives me reason for concern. It is important to factor in the economic needs of small webcasters into the royalty rates. The CRB should work with these small webcasters so they can continue to provide the diversity of music that listeners enjoy.
Thank you again for contacting me. As your representative, I both need and value your perspective. I hope you will continue to keep in touch and let me know whenever I may be of future assistance.
Sincerely,
Nancy Boyda
Member of Congress - V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3How did they manage to rule that listening to music streamed on the internet instead of the air was RADIO and subject to the same rules anyway? It isn't the same thing!
- Impetus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here's how courts work:
Big money > No money
Every time.
Sucks :( - jcervoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1its almost like the FCC wants to kill internet radio to create a reason why they shouldn't allow sirius and xm to merger.
- mbthompson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just read this story last night on the AP wire and couldn't believe what I saw. Next stop, U.S. Court of Appeals in D.C. Let's hope something changes, otherwise everyone is screwed.
- DaveAllen99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Again, yes, INDEPENDENTS ARE COVERED BY THIS STRUCTURE" ... "It doesn't matter what type of music you play online with this new structure all musical content will be billed at the new rate x 2"
OK, this is scary. How do they know, when it comes to independent artists, who or how to bill, if the artist isn't one of their own?
I mean, I'm not doubting what you say, but if it's an independent artist, and not an RIAA artist or major label artist, how do they know who that is? Do they have some scary way of monitoring all broadcasts for any kind of a musical note being played and then just ring it up? -
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