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- SetoKaiba, on 10/11/2007, -2/+94I for one am a huge Pandora fan. It would be a shame for it to have to shut down or to restrict its features. I consider it the best station in that I get to hear about all kinds of new music which I would never have heard of prior. Here's for Pandora!!
- rrenaud, on 10/11/2007, -5/+88last.fm, the most popular internet radio station, is abstaining from the protest. They were recently bought by CBS for $280 million. You can read a last.fm cofounder's defense of their position at
http://blog.last.fm/2007/06/25/make-some-noise
It's interesting to read all of the angry last.fm users responses in the comments. - Cygnus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+62Just a reminder...
http://www.savenetradio.org/ - TheMadCow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+48Time to put up or shut up. Nerds need to get off their technocratic butts and call! You want to flame someone today, flame your elected congresscritters. Unite rather than fragment.
http://www.savenetradio.org/ - MikeonTV, on 10/11/2007, -3/+37I own a little Cafe/Ice cream shop and often use a Latin Jazz station as the background music. Today I'm using StreamerP2P
- Spr0k3t, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19I think they should take it another week to make a point. Seriously, I love internet radio...
I'm so going to get buried for this. I miss my nets!! - EzraNailo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18I too love Pandora and use its service to find new bands whose CDs I then purchase. It's found some really great artsts for me, ones I would have NEVER heard of otherwise and now I recommend them and Pandora to all my friends. I'm also the sort that actually buys CDs and encourage my friends to as well, since places like Pandora can give me a feel for if I like that artist or not (and not just crappy little song previews)
***** you RIAA, I buy music, but take away the services that let me find new music I like and I hope that every single person out there like me who was willing to play your game starts downloading music instead. - chandler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18It made me call my representatives... Asked them all how they stood on the issue, Richard Durbin --> For it (voting against the increase), Barack Obama --> still looking at it, Jerry Costello --> For it (voting against the increase). Richard Durbin's aide didn't disclose whether or not a lot of people have called regarding the issue. Barrack Obama's aide said they had, and Jerry Costello's aide did as well. So I guess today was productive?
- ThrobbingBrain, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Mr./Mrs./Ms. _________________
I am writing to ask you to sponsor the Internet Radio Equality Act. The fees currently paid to record companies and musicians by Internet radio stations are set to increase on July 15th. A number of Internet radio stations that I listen to on a daily basis will be severely affected. Unfortunately this royalty increase will almost assuredly result in many Internet radio stations falling silent forever. I appreciate your time and consideration in this matter.
Feel free to use that as a template for e-mailing your elected representatives. - Kinjiru, on 10/11/2007, -6/+22Ahh.. so instead of obeying like they want.. host the stations Outside of the US and tell em to ***** themselves :)
- MISDIREK7ED, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16It's official.. Last.FM has been compromised by the mafIIA. ***** you Felix!
- PrincessZelda, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14The whole POINT of all this is that the vast majority of internet radio is independant. Instead of getting clear channel approved American Idol stars shoved through the tubes we've been getting actual indie radio based on genres, moods, bands, etc.
Clearly this pissed off the giant web that is the RIAA and it's dick sucking lackys, getting to control what records spin and what records hold up the desks puts them in control of a whole type of media. They've been ***** music in this way since their onset.
So the organization that gets to set these rates jack it up, close them down, and they're in control here too... well ***** that *****.
Corporations need to seen as the ENEMY to music. - onesidedsquare, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13i don't know about anybody else but my work day got way longer with out internet radio to listen to
so for every spare 5 minutes i have its another letter to my congressman, - Frozo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13This is exactly what I will never get about the RIAA. There are MANY people who are turned on to new music by this kind of thing. I even have to say, back in the Napster days I used to find all sorts of new music on other peoples libraries that I would never have heard otherwise. This has, in turn, branched me out to purchasing more music than I ever would have previously.
- skiCO, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Sorry for the WMV but it was brought up today in the House.
http://www.house.gov/inslee/multimedia/video/internet_radio_day_of_silence_06.26.07.wmv
C'mon people, make the call! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Holy *****, $280 million? Too bad all internet radio stations can't be bought and protected like that.
- BlackCow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Damn it I want my pandora!
- jgasm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10It's so weird right now....I can hear not only the air conditioner now but the offices around me. I think I'm going to put in my ear buds just for the feeling of internet radio :(
- tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9What pisses me off more than anything is that the RIAA collect royalties on EVERY SINGLE TRACK played, whether or not that artist/label is part of the RIAA, and even if that track has a free license or is public domain. Then, if an artist wants to get their royalties, they have to pay a substantial membership fee to do so. How is that right?
I support the day of silence, but there's deeper problems than just paying rates IMO. - sctechguy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11This suggestion has been made many, many times, and, as has been pointed out each time, it is very flawed. On top of the expenses of moving operations to another country (moving, taxes, royalties, etc), there is also the fact that Many online radio stations pay royalties to the varying royalty collection entities that exist in each country that they webcast to. This means that if a station moves to Canada, but has U.S. listeners, they still have to pay U.S. royalties.
Also, what you're suggesting is that the stations simply pick up, and move to another location, leaving the RIAA unchecked and unchallenged. Who's to say that they won't go after podcasting next? Or terrestrial radio? Or even satellite radio? All in the name of making up for the "lost profits" they incurred by having the U.S. based webcasters move out of country.
Sound far-fetched? It's not. This is the EXACT argument the RIAA is using right now, to justify their outrageously high royalty rates. Their take on the issue is that internet radio, and online music in general, is hurting CD sales, and they feel that they need to make up for that lost revenue.
So, instead of changing with the times, and merging with the different technologies, they are sticking to, what they think is their tried and true business model. Instead of embracing and working with these fledgling technologies, like MP3's, internet radio, and digital music sales, they are fighting them tooth and nail, under the belief that they will absolutely lose money if they aren't managing copius amounts of physical media sales.
As you can see, this way of thinking hasn't really worked out for them, as their profits have been declining over the last decade or so. - verifex, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10I am going to be very angry if http://www.somafm.com/ goes off the air. I already did my part by calling my senator and even getting a T-Shirt from SomaFM, now it's your turn!
- Ottergoose, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I too am a big fan of Pandora, and have spent a fair amount of money buying music that I've discovered there. I've sent emails to my representatives... let's hope this doesn't go through.
- ironbear, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I'm one of the webcasters observing the Day of Silence, and I want to thank everyone for helping us out. Time is very short. We have only a couple weeks to turn the situation around. Bankruptcy looms for individual stations, and for station 'aggregators' like LoudCity and Live365.
Although offices are closed now in Washington, DC, please call your Senators and Representative tomorrow if you haven't already. Support on the House side is somewhat encouraging, but the Senate is a much different matter. There's where you can help us most.
I enjoyed talking to the Arizona delegation today, but if they're any indication, much work still needs to be done.
To get contact info for your Senators and Representative, go to http://www.savenetradio.org. Thank you! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10I deleted my last.fm account a couple of days ago.
The place is loopy.
They play live tracks and display the studio album cover rather than the actual cover you are hearing.
Every other song has a "skip" in it. (low tech anti-piracy I assume)
And it is frequently just unavailable for "mysterious" reasons.
The software is buggy and the tech support is overwhelmed, and you can wait hours to be told nothing very helpful to begin with.
I want my Pandora in Canada.
The world has plenty of music outside of the US
American music is jut the most heavily promoted. - airstrike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8*****
- EBFoxbat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Too bad the need to. ***** the ... CRB
- sparkmonkeyz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I just called my senators here in California to help save internet radio. Everyone needs to know, that complaining about this is not going to do anything, we must take action and let or senators know what we want and what is right.
- sanitysama, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I'm sitting here, a male human being 18 years of age, glass-eyed at the thought of my favorite stations, who have been more than just services but more like a companion to me for many years, might be going offline permanently and I'll never hear them again. They've all so generously supplied me with the best selections of music every day, whenever I wanted them. Just like a friend, they're always there. It's music that speaks to the soul... my feelings can't explain.
Please send this article to everyone you possibly can who has a digg account and tell them to digg it. I want it to have the most exposure. - xaxxon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Looks like 2/3 stations I listen to are in on the day of silence.
chronixradio.com is silent (2/3 streams I listen to). edge-radio.net is still going loud, but they have 'ads' on how to save net radio. - verifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6That's exactly the feeling, you know what would be a great picture to represent today, someone with a set of earbuds in, but the cord is hanging there snipped. Then in the background show a shadowy man running from the room with a pair of scissors shaped like a dollar sign.
- jgasm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6that's a terrible thing to say.
the music is not free on Pandora...it comes with advertisements that pay for it. I make my contribution by looking at the interesting flash xB and razor blade ads. - verifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I'm going to be really pissed if SomaFM goes away. They are some of the most creative and interesting musical bits on the air today.
- SourWorm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7The RIAA will tell you what music to listen to and buy .... there is no need 'discover new music'!
- rm999, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7That blog post completely misses the point that the costs are going from per play to per listener. So now, stations with a lot of listeners will have to pay dozens of times what they used to (effectively killing them).
- rm999, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Radioparadise.com has introduced me to so many new types of music. They stream 192 kbps ad-free, and the new rates will most likely kill them. This is one of the first issues that I have ever seriously been behind.
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6http://www3.capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/alert_9738601.html
This is a very big deal. Go to the link above and type in your zip code to get the number of your local government. You can also sign a petition or get banners for your website. - Thepirateking, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I used to love Pandora....until I was cut off because I live in Canada.
- airstrike, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9i'm officially never going to access last.fm ever again in my life. http://somafm.com FTW! nicest broadcasters out there
- jgasm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6you sir,
are an idiot. - Aharoni, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Digitally Imported Radio also participated in the day of silence... I wish they'd just pick up and move to Europe or something (even though they already claimed they won't)... most of the tracks they play are of European artists anyways.
- bonedog73, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4/bump for Pandora!
Best Ever!! - RobototoboR, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Pandora has exposed me to music that matches my taste so well that I ACTUALLY paid for it. I have never bought a single track from iTunes or anywhere else the past couple of years, but due to me listening to Pandora radio beginning last month, I've spent a good amount of money on music. I'm usually in the "pirate it" mentality but it has really let me learn to appreciate and support smaller artists.
- aznplayero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5DI.FM My savior especially now that i found out my phone streams net radio. The rates are outrageous and donation based web stations don't stand a chance. The time is almost gone for a change to be made to make a difference if the RIAA can get away with this what is stopping them from just taking money out of our pockets more directly. www.savenetradio.com
- verifex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I wonder why this isn't all over the MSM, it seems important enough and newsworthy, what is going on here?
- shadowspawn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I just won't use my last.fm account services. That email account I used to sign up now goes to that little null device thingie.
- idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Ya know, last.fm is in the UK, and they already have to pay royalties.
- WarMace, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3E-mailing is very easy if your too shy to call. I just e-mailed all 3 of my reps.
- capran, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Screw the RIAA and Big Music. Give PodSafe music a chance (like podshow.com), I like AccidentHash.com (podcast) myself. Good music. No RIAA. And, yes, I've bought some of the stuff I hear on these sites/podcasts.
- sctechguy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4You're missing the point. The point is that even if they do what you suggest, it just leaves the RIAA unchecked and unchallenged to go after anyone else next, be it podcasters, digital music social sites, etc. Also, the small guys already DO pay the U.S. royalty rates, even though they are in other countries. Even bigger entities, like last.fm do this, too. Pandora no longer allows streaming outside of North America because of the royalties that would be imposed on them by other countries. That's the thing: the U.S. isn't the only country that has outrageous royalty rates pending, or already in place. The U.S. just happens to have the largest base of broadcasters. Lastly, believe me when I say that the RIAA is fully going to go after traditional radio next to try and get these same royalties out of them. You think that they won't force traditional radio to pay, due to fears of losing massive exposure? How much exposure are they losing by shutting down every single U.S. based broadcaster? It's quite a bit more than traditional radio, I can tell you that much.
Moving to another country doesn't solve the issue, it just delays it. - jgasm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3that's gold man!
pure gold. -
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