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- OBKenobi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+43[quote]Another action item is to convert to thin clients; this eliminates networked file transfers.[/quote]
What?! I didn't realize thin clients work by magic. - almostdone, on 10/10/2007, -5/+42Sounds like we need some Drano for the Internet Tubes to help unclog them. Either that or we need to reboot the mother server.
- ChromaVita, on 10/10/2007, -2/+38Damn, Pay-as-you-go internet would totally suck *****.
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+33It's ***** propaganda to justify removing Network Neutrality.
- IShouldBeWorkin, on 10/10/2007, -6/+33why would i trust a site called treehugger.com for a story about technology?
- brianbb98, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26if you people would just realize that its NOT A DUMPTRUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
/old ted stevens pipe joke - danielbachhuber, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23Whoa. Comcast refusing money? Is hell freezing over?
- stalefries, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Sounds sort of like dialup.
- diizy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19This has been discussed many many times. During the advent of high speed internet, many feared we didn't have enough bandwidth to sustain such; I don't think this is a big issue.
It's old news; and wtf is Peak Tech. Sounds like something a creationist came up with. "We've now reached the end; technology stops after Friday August 24"
Sorry guys, I guess well never see a better ipod since we've reached "Peak Tech" - ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15And to justify not buying extra infrastructure and to act like a bandwidth problem is unsolvable without throttling and charging more.
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Thin clients would make the problem /worse/. Hey, instead of keeping data on your machine or on your person, let's store it on a central server some where so we have to go fetch it every time we want to use it.
And to think people want us to move to Internet-based applications. - hedgehog1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Unfortunately, Ted Stevens is busy getting dumped on by the FBI truck or we could have counted on him.
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Bandwidth hogs they may be, but they're using what they purchased. I've signed up for internet service from 4 different providers so far, and nowhere did I read that my bandwidth usage was limited, and yes I read the fine print.
As far as I'm concerned, they oversold their ability to provide. If they want to switch to a pay-as-you-go plan, it'd better be getting cheaper. - Jeffler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Eh, I guess we hit our peak.
I'll go get the truck... - eecue, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10gee never heard this one before... oh wait, we hear it almost every year and have for as long as i can remember.
- rune420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I agree. Peak Tech is a stupid name. As long as there are smart engineers and scientists who keep improving on what others have learned and done before them, there will always be new technology.
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Sounds like internet without network neutrality.
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Yes.
It's propaganda for removing Network Neutrality. The telcoms want to take the bandwidth you're currently using, and giving it to whomever pays more. - blapierre, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8This is the same thing that was said back in 1998 when DSL and cable first began to become popular. They said the Internet was going to come to a standstill because of all the new highspeed connections. It didn't happen then and it's not going to happen now.
- legendxx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7stop hogging my bandwidth
- dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No it's not. If Digg is like any major site that aggregates long pages of content, they are no-doubt using mod_deflate or mod_gzip to compress your shenanigans down to one iteration. You're only wasting our time, not bandwidth.
- rattsabre, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Regular users would pay the same, heavy users would pay more. Only ones that benefit are the corporations.
- oylers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Heh, thin clients will relieve network congestion. Awesome. I wonder how that's going to happen...
I'm in Seattle, the server running the software that I'm using on my thin client is running in New York. Does the data just magically appear in Seattle without going over a network? Streaming music and videos too?
Ugh, this post is BS. - rootstyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Indeed it is inaccurate propaganda, buried as such. With DWDM becoming very affordable, there is no shortage of bandwidth within the United States, and it can be further and further expanded on existing links without much effort. After the dot com boom, there was so much dark fiber purchased by companies that then tanked, most telcos are swimming in it - and DWDM gear will let you throw multiple gig and 10 gig links on each pair. If there is a need for more bandwidth, the mentioned telcos can rustle it up pretty quickly, but if they can charge you more instead, I'm quite sure they would. It's a shame this ***** gets Digg attention.
Trans-Atlantic routes are a bit trickier and quite often congested, but even that isn't a long term problem and, in my experience, has been improving recently. - alexforcefive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I can't vouch for everyone else here... but I'm paying for my bandwidth, not you.
- rajulkabir, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6And it's very inaccurate.
1) The $3000-Kazakh-DSL story has been roundly debunked; the cheapest DSL service there is about US$50/month. The authors of the cited report extrapolated from a metered-usage plan to arrive at a monthly rate that is unreasonable for any normal use. You can easily see the rates here: http://www.megaline.kz/rus/tarify/tarify.php (in local currency).
2) China's GDP is not, as suggested here, $1578 per year. I think they mean per-capita GDP. And at PPP (a much more useful calibration), it's about $8000.
3) Connections in Africa are definitely not "universally" lousy. South Africa has had reasonably decent quality broadband for years, and in the past few months I've used ADSL in Morocco and Egypt, both of which worked very well. Commonly available 4-megabit ADSL service in Morocco works almost as well as in Europe.
4) The diagram at the top only shows direct connectivity from other countries to the USA. For many countries, especially where English or Spanish are not widely spoken, this is substantially irrelevant. How many Koreans do you think depend on content published in the USA? I am posting from Malaysia, where much of the USA-bound internet traffic takes a westerly course - not shown on the diagram - via Europe and over that very fat transatlantic pipe. - killdashnine, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I don't think it'll come to that. We're at the crux of a major paradigm switch as regards IPTV and other media delivery which is now switching from broadcast to "bitcast" via existing Internet.
What's you're going to see is more services such as GameRail (www.gamerail.com) who will be deploying end-to-end services to improve individual performance. Although GameRail currently is designed for gamers, I would suspect that the model could be deployed for IPTV, VOIP, and other facets of the net. - dw2005, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5holy crap! they cost $225!
http://www.telegeography.com/products/map_internet/index.php - sdlvx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6This is crap. It's all a bunch of ***** to get us to be against net neutrality.
Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T practically have no more competition. Internet speeds have been stagnant the last few years, while the rest of the world has been speeding up. America is falling behind in rankings for average net connection speed.
Now, after all these years of stagnation because they have no reason to upgrade since no competition, they find out the rest of the world and the internet has passed up an infrastructure that is aged (Think AT&T NOT bringing fiber to the curb, etc) because they had no competition and thus no reason to spend money on something like that.
So now, they have a monopoly pretty much, and they can do whatever they want. So, instead of rolling out fiber to the curb, or ANYTHING else like that, we have the ISPs telling us that they are going to start shutting things off for us (torrents, videos, etc) because the network can't handle it. It's a hell of a lot cheaper to just get some throttling software than it is to revamp an entire infrastructure.
We are completely ***** until the government steps in and splits up comcast, AT&T, and Verizon, and brings in some competition so we can keep up with the world. - DarkDragon, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6if thats an old joke, i suddenly feel really old 0_0
- manitoba98xp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Oh, and I had another thought: Then using Adblock would not only improve loading times, but save you money! (On the flipside, advertisers would cost their potential customers money!)
- dw2005, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Where do I get a downloadable poster of that bandwidth map?
- krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You Already pay way more than its worth. The big network shareholders just want you to think your paying more money would make some kind of difference in infrastructure and performance. ***** raw.
- manitoba98xp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3@geekee
The question is, is it fair that when I now download a movie from, say, iTunes, I now have to pay both Apple _and_ my ISP for that? Plus, if this repricing were to occur, I doubt the ISPs would be kind enough to keep the average fee where it is. My guess is, it would result in an increase in fees for most people, only the most frugal users would notice a decrease.
On the bright side, compression will become a lot more important.
Oh, and another question: wouldn't more and more people just "cheat" and user open access points from their neighbours, etc? It saves them money, and costs their neighbours. This raises whole new issues. - james2die4, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5This is an old story. Along with IPv6, Internet2 will address the *technology* problems that the current internet holds. There are many non-technical problems that we have.
Internet2... coming soon to a network near you.
http://www.internet2.edu/ - pgm_01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Which they were, until the story hit Digg. Then the magical server sitting at the end of Comcast's network that did not have a reverse dns disapperared and the ability to upload torrents reappeared.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Whatever..
- dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Yeah, Treehugger is shilling for the telcos. Where there is demand, money, and no lack of raw materials, there will be supply. If the market was competitive, we'd have fiber running into every house in the states. In fact, we paid $250 Billion in tax breaks and subsidies for something like that and never got it. What we did get was the Bell family back together again. That's fair right?
- lengau, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Wakey Wakey. Some ISPs are already blocking Bittorrent.
It sucks, because now I can't seed my Linux distros. - ElectricMunk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I would be very skeptical about industry claims regarding throttling and peak traffic. It smacks of the same ***** reasoning for deregulation that allowed the energy companies to rape the consumer with impunity. We forget, amidst all the corporate *****, that "we the people" own the infrastructure that they are making a killing off of. We paid for it through taxes, fees, rates and any number of corporate welfare initiatives. Why are we allowing them to dictate the terms of the internet to us? Hell "we the people" climbed the towers, laid the cable and froze our asses off to build the infrastructure and our taxes and usage fees paid for it. WHY are we so willing to give up our last chance at true democracy to these corporate felons?
- lengau, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Umm... That's exactly what Net Neutrality *prevents*.
- diizy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Honnestly thats quite beleivable. And quite sad, regardless if they are actually taking bandwith away from us, then this is a non issue in itself. Theres tons of bandwith available, just being held back...
- Iandefor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"It's old news; and wtf is Peak Tech. Sounds like something a creationist came up with. "We've now reached the end; technology stops after Friday August 24""
He seems to be drying to draw a parallel to Peak oil, though why he didn't simply say "peak bandwidth", which would have accurately reflected what he was talking about in the rest of the article, is beyond me. - Emrtr4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Problems with this article and the follow up comments:
1.) Its innaccurate
2.) Its from an enviormentalist site when its a tech story
3.) It was on Digg 2 hours ago (this site is getting so repetative I want to vomit)
4.) My bandwith at home increased from 10 megs a second download in 2005 to 30 megs a second download in 2006...that is not remaining stagnent.
5.) Pricewars between Cablevision and Verizon in my area (NYC, CT, NJ) have been great for consumers and is lowering costs, adding amazing fiber infrastructure, and increasing bandwith. - ndot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Uhh... Internet2 is a research network built with off the shelf hardware and standard services network carriers are offering today. It's not groundbreaking, in fact, it's the same technology being used on the big I internet today, just serving a different userbase (research & education).
- krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's not that they didn't want it, they just didn't want a 150 dollar bill every month for something worth about 20 bucks.
- aywwts4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Faster than we can type?!
My old 386 can do that. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We could kill porn sites to save bandwidth...
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