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- Pxtl, on 10/31/2009, -2/+45Welcome to a brand new generation of phishing attacks.
- magamiako, on 10/31/2009, -2/+41I really don't think anything is wrong with this idea.....Except that spammers will now be able to create all sorts of funky domain name combinations.
ebây.com
ébay.com
ébây.com
ebaý.com
ébâý.com
So forth and so forth.... - Rocco03, on 10/31/2009, -1/+37or PАYPAL.COM
notice the cyrillic А? - HigherLogic, on 10/31/2009, -2/+37Programmers die inside while trying to think about how the ***** they're going to validate something with regular expressions...
- Rogor, on 10/31/2009, -2/+32Wow what a disaster.. im in Hong Kong and even I know Chinese character domains are going to be a nightmare to administer, generally confusing the hell out of everyone.
- philsaysstfu, on 10/30/2009, -0/+27Now the most important thing you have to ask yourself here is:
How can I make the most money imaginable off of this while ***** over international companies? - TonicTuna, on 10/31/2009, -6/+32***** stupid
- factsahoy, on 10/31/2009, -7/+20ICANN'T.
This band of idiots fails year after year to take common-sense steps to address the real problems facing Web users.
Instead of dicking around with the character set, they should have tackled job 1: Getting rid of top-level domains altogether. It may be impossible to set up rules against domain hoarding, but getting rid of TLDs would alleviate the "shortage" of domains by allowing any string of characters at the end of a URL. There's no technical reason that the last characters have to be "com", "net", "info", or whatever. - SpookyET, on 10/31/2009, -0/+12The article is wrong. They just linked, but didn't watch the 7 minute 10 second video. They are 100,000 characters. I think that's all UTF-8.
- LordGravewish, on 10/31/2009, -2/+13I think it's not a good idea, at least for any country with the latin alphabet. Writing domain names with special characters just takes longer and increases the risk of mistakes that might take you to a phishing website or something... It'll just be a pain for us. No thank you, and my mother language is one with loads of á, à, é, ã and so on. What a pain in the ass.
As for chinese, etc domain names, I can't exactly say anything but I guess it might be useful... Might be a pain in the ass for them with their thousands of different characters but not exactly something I can comment on. - unluckier, on 10/31/2009, -0/+11Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) are already here, and they have been around for years. And also the security risks associated with them:
http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/273262
The difference to the end-user is essentially zero, as the new method would natively use non-latin characters instead of punycode encoding. But the end result is that you would see non-latin characters in your web browser address bar either way. - marciot, on 10/31/2009, -0/+10Australia's new domain name:
nɐ.ɹǝpunuʍop.ʍʍʍ - Crimeodial, on 10/31/2009, -0/+8Well, that's not relevant to anything. Good job.
- txballer, on 10/31/2009, -1/+9When it comes to computing, common standards are what drives the industry. Imagine if one country supported ISA while another supported RS232 and the other supported USB this would never work and computing as we know it would not exist.
Doing it this way just makes it easier for oppressive nations to filter content while making it harder for others to access information. Imagine if a Chinese blogger posted information about a government crackdown on 帮助我.com, no one outside of China would know about it.
This decision just makes it harder for people to communicate. - magamiako, on 10/31/2009, -0/+7Eh, it's hard to say what they should or should do. I'm partial to the context-sensitive TLDs because it makes it easier to filter and easier to understand what to expect when visiting that TLD.
COM = Commercial
EDU = Education
MIL = Military
NET = Network/Internet related
ORG = Organizations
But then they started adding country-based suffixes....when combined, neither system is very intuitive.
I think they should just make it easier and use TLDs per country.
google.us
microsoft.us
microsoft.mx -> Mexican/Spanish locally translated
microsoft.fr -> French translated
and so forth and so forth. - LordGravewish, on 10/31/2009, -2/+8Problem is, 1.6B people is a lot of people speaking different languages using different characters... Enjoy knowing whats going on half-way around the world? well soon, you'll need a keyboard with their alphabet.
- gasoline, on 10/31/2009, -2/+8Firefox does notice: xn--pypal-4ve.com
- magamiako, on 10/31/2009, -0/+5Considering the Chinese and Japanese character sets aren't mostly phonetic (yes, I know of kana in Japanese)--this will make it very interesting for spammers :P
- Linake, on 10/31/2009, -0/+5Sorry, I didn't read that book. Spoiler alert?!
- Mikey129, on 11/01/2009, -0/+4Web 3.0 ... More buzzwords!
- pw378, on 10/31/2009, -1/+5And which GTLD or Root-server should you contact to resolve foo.bar.blah?
Until you know how DNS works, please don't think you have a magical fix. - palmer, on 10/31/2009, -0/+4"COM = Commercial
EDU = Education
MIL = Military
NET = Network/Internet related
ORG = Organizations"
Dude, those have not been enforced for years. If they ever really were, except MIL, EDU, and GOV.
Finite TLDs are a waste of time. If you create a more comprehensive strategy for maintaining them, no one will bother trying to understand it (assuming they'd ever find out about it, which they wouldn't). - inactive, on 10/31/2009, -3/+7As if the world ending in 2012 wasn't bad we'll have to put up with this for 2 years.
- kayamm, on 10/31/2009, -2/+6yes and this is the point of doing it, lol.
- Phoyo, on 10/31/2009, -0/+3Ah, now that makes more sense.
- palmer, on 10/31/2009, -0/+3The answer to that would be: any one. Every root server should have a full domain-name database.
- gALEXy, on 10/31/2009, -0/+3i couldn't understand what he was trying to say until you pointed that out
- palmer, on 10/31/2009, -0/+3as if it WEREN'T bad enough
- TheSabre, on 10/31/2009, -2/+5American cultural imperialism? Our military invented the Internet... why is it so wrong to want to have some stake in it?
- borez, on 10/31/2009, -1/+4Surely that's going to ***** up the international business nature of the internet.
- Turbotronic, on 11/01/2009, -1/+3English domain names will still dominate since that is the lingua franca.
- grawity, on 10/31/2009, -1/+3Firefox has an entire list of "approved" TLDs.
- Phoyo, on 10/31/2009, -3/+5They're only adding 100 new international characters? This will only cover a few languages and will be totally useless for Chinese characters.
- muzzy, on 10/31/2009, -0/+1Wrong, wrong, wrong.
When do you EVER type in a URL to a Chinese website? If on the rare occasion those of us outside of the Chinese world are viewing a Chinese website, we've been linked there. Links will still work just fine. 帮助我.com makes just as much sense to an English speaker as the Latin equivalent would- None. It will have zero effect on accessing info from foreign websites. - Hellicus, on 11/01/2009, -0/+1This is just *****' stupid.
- muzzy, on 10/31/2009, -2/+3Or you could just figure out how to type international characters... it's not that hard. When was the last time you manually typed in a URL of a language you didn't speak, anyhow?
- palmer, on 10/31/2009, -0/+1Who cares about TLDs getting less popular?
Just as the "WWW" has evolved away (thankfully), so should TLDs. At best, they're unnecessary. Even if getting rid of them won't permanently alleviate a shortage, it will eliminate the tiers of desirability that separate COM from everything else.
Just give domains an identifier that's no better than any other, save for its length. - merien, on 10/31/2009, -1/+2How does getting rid op top-level domains alleviate any shortage? Everybody would who owns a .com domain would try to register the corresponding top-level domain. Nothing changes except for the fact that you can leave out .com. And all alternative general top-level domains like .biz, .info would become even less popular.
- TallestSkil, on 10/31/2009, -1/+2Yes, because knowing how to type international characters instantaneously grants me the power to understand their written language. Idiot.
- marciot, on 11/01/2009, -0/+1It'll just reinforce the idea that you ought to type in, rather than click links, to financial sites. Of course, the new characters will make that advice harder to follow for people banking with international banks who may indeed have unicode characters in their name.
- muzzy, on 10/31/2009, -1/+2@TallestSkill
Why the ***** would you be on their website if you didn't understand their written language? Idiot. - godsdead, on 11/02/2009, -0/+1Oh crap.
- andywatts, on 10/31/2009, -1/+1How is 'ka ki ku ke ko' in Japanese not phonetic?
- Cglass, on 10/31/2009, -2/+2It's less about American cultural imperialism and more about security and practicality. While I agree something should be done, this solution seems..well .. just plain stupid. =]
- palmer, on 10/31/2009, -1/+1Speaking of English (or any other Latin-based language):
It's "If English WEREN'T my first language..."
When you're talking about something that's hypothetical or contrary to fact, you use the subjunctive. But you don't need to know what it's called, just that it sounds right. - nepidae, on 11/03/2009, -1/+1Most regex parsers handle UTF-8 already.
- LightSpeed4, on 10/31/2009, -3/+3America invented the internet.
- deviantsteve, on 11/01/2009, -2/+2We forced countries learn English for a reason.
- nepidae, on 11/03/2009, -1/+1oh i guess i missed the joke. if you spent the time to learn regex, then character encoding is a snap :)
- magamiako, on 10/31/2009, -2/+1Wow, did I really need to spell this out?
The Japanese borrow Chinese characters for their words, and said characters are not phonetic. While kana is a phonetic system, kanji in Japanese is not.
As such, spammers/whomever can easily grab up words that all sound the same when spoken, but aren't the same when written.
This will trip up people who might not know all of the character combinations for words. -
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