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- Erkan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I do not like water cooling in general. But this is nifty if you do not have to mainain it during three years!
But how much watt is the CPU using at 5 GHz? - Mental64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Probably not pure water. Think prestone.
- edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Where's my AMD stock cooler?
- PrayerNeeder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8no, Joski. Liquid coolers usually use water. Sometimes, something to reduce water surface tension (water wetter) or antifreeze. Other than that, its water in most cases.
why? Water is cheap, and has excellent thermal conductivity. The two common materials that are better and _might_ be liquid at the tepmeerature needed are are lead (which would phase change to solid farly often, if it did melt) and mercury, which are both highly toxic. Even the antifreeze added to water, though it alters the boiling / freezing temperature, decreases corrosion, and hinders bacteria growth, slters water's thermal conductivity for the worse. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Not necessarily, you would be amazed at how good of a job a heatsink will do by itself. Not to mention the CPU has some built in protection. It would freeze up and/or shutdown for sure, but I doubt you would sustain any damage. You might if you were in the middle of gaming, but if you weren't doing anything hardcore you would probably just lock up.
In fact, I cleaned the fan on my video card the other day, but didn't push the fan cord back in all the way (aparently you really have to snap it down hard). The computer ran just fine while doing things like browsing the internet and even watching DVDs. I later installed a new game and tried to play it, but to my surprise it would only play for about 5 seconds and then get all fuzy and choppy then just freeze (I could even end task it). I figured it might be a software issue since I had never played the game before and installed the latest Nvidia drivers. To make a long story short, it froze again and I thought "It's not over heating is it?" Sure enough the fan wasn't running at all. No damage though, just froze up or shut down. I know CPUs run a bit hotter than GPUs, but they generally do the same thing. - willdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Am I the only one thinking that Apple is likely to be a near term adopter of this tech? Apple already uses liquid cooling in their PowerMac G5 computers, and the setup looks remarkable similar.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6 Is the water treated so when the unit is shipped, say by plane, the pipes don't freeze and bust?
- Amplix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Man I would hate for something to go wrong with those, almost any problem with the cooler would make you kiss your CPU goodbye
- Pocky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I hadn't heard about Apple's liquid cooling before either, but sure enough:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=584 - jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Don't liquid coolers usually use non-conductive, non-corrosive fluids? It'd be a mess for sure, but your components probably could survive a leak. Probably have to completely disassemble to dry out, though....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Since both Intel and AMD now throttle down during overheating, I doubt that is very valid anymore.
- Jozer99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There have been a couple attempts at marketing liquid metal coolers. As far as I can tell they have been largely unsuccessful. Liquid metal has many disadvantages and only a few advantages.
Disadvantages:
Corrosive (shorter part life, much more expensive parts)
Toxic (much more so than water with antifreeze)
Expensive (even distilled water is under $10)
Harder to work with (electrically conductive, motor has to be insulated, health regulations require stronger, less flexable pipes, ect...)
Advantages:
SLIGHTLY more thermally conductive than water
l33t h4x0r p0w3r5! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4at 5 ghz? I'm no cooling expert but it seems VERY good considering 62c is pretty low even for stock coolers on some p4s.
- ryogahibiki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, they make non-conductive fluid for water-cooled systems, like this stuff:
http://www.fluidxp.com/
so that in case it does leak, it won't hurt your components. - ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That kind of performace for around 50 bucks?!?! Count me in.
The real question is how quiet is it. - Blitzenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"unique elements of the design, such as the centrifugal pump, solid tubing, precise engineering "
hmmm. What is unique about any of those things? Perhaps it's just when used in conjunction with the phrase Intel engineering that these items become unique, such as 'precise' when used as an adjective with engineering.
I get a kick out of the phrase 'solid tubing' as opposed to what? Tubing filled with leaks? Good Idea! That like saying I am going to sail on 'open water', as opposed to 'closed' water?
Again, I'll bet you dollars that Intel engineers now think they invented the 'centrifugal pump'. They will now send a bill to every American that has a well and charge them and licensing fee to pump the water out of it, as they obviously invented a unique pump that uses centrifugal forces to create pressure. How novel!
Forgive my cynicism, but lately Intel seems to be more concerned with 'spin' on their products than with the actual capabilities of the product itself. This is just smoke and mirrors until working models actually ship. Then we will see the real item and I am sure it won't be what it as it is lauded by Intel to be, just like their processors of late. - SoccerBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Less then $50!!!
That would be great. I have to agree most water cooling system aren't very good. It would be nice to have something good to play around with.
BTW I'm guessing it's not water, but some kind of coolant (coolant is mentioned in the article too). - SoccerBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hey if you read the article, you would have seen it said $50
- weiran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The heatsink by itself can probably cool it long enough for the chip to shut down, as I think Intel's ones do after 90C?
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The pipes are aluminum, instead of vinyl, that's why they are considered "solid". And I don't know of any other water cooling systems that put a centrifugal pump inside the water block, that's pretty unique to me. In fact, I don't think I've seen a water cooling system that uses a centrifugal pump at all. But I'm sure someone here will show me that one does indeed exist though...
- megabytehl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Knock off? This is a huge step in the right direction (chip manufacturer stock watercooling?!?! Awesome!), who cares if it's a knock off or not. Better yet, aren't knock offs supposed to be inferior to the originals?
Seems to me you'll be hard pressed to find any simple, self-contained watercooling systems that last for 3 years without maintainence and can run a 3.8ghz EE @ 5.0ghz @ 62c and can be sold around the $50 price point. Knock off or not, if this claim holds water (independently verified by HardOCP/Ars...etc) I'll be the first one in line. - jaijai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Doesn't hold a candle to this badboy still under development:
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=105157 - tylerman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The temperature on the processor was 62 celcius, well within operating parameters."
jesus that is hott - thirdtenor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2actually these guys (http://www.nanocoolers.com/) are supposedly using some kind of liquid metal cooling
i read about it a while back, i think here: http://www.techpowerup.com/?3105 - Gotar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What dream world are you living in? Overclocking voids the warranty.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1im so lucky...WOOT! 1000th post!
- oldcyborg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dealing with higher temps is going the wrong way on a one way street.... Make components smaller, and cooler...This is just a interim spot. I will stay with AMD, and wont' need the water....
Cyborg
ok - shank2001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not really that hot, well within operating limits for the pentium 4... my laptop with a pentium 4 3.4 routinely sees 62C temps going full bore, and that is with no overclocking at all! Pretty impressive considering they are running at 5Ghz! Hot compared to AMD sure, but for Pentium 4s even stock non extreme edition chips see this temp all the time.
- GrinningFool, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9zmi: would "Oh really?" have been /that/ much more work to type ;)
Go ahead, bury me. - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not buying anymore big dollar systems or CPU's till the 65mm dies's come out.
There will have better power and heat control and they will naively be faster.
Why deal with all this crazy cooling stuff. It's just not worth it.
Besides I just got my work to buy me a AMD fx60 for "testing".
This marks the end of AMD's support for the 939 socket and it's more than fast
enough without cooling, water or phase change. - SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ooooh. this looks great. I'm PUMPED! (pun most definitely intended)
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think maybe then need to hurry with the new types of chips.....a sad day it will be when e-machines have to ship with water cooled processors stock.
- equusdc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3mrfx:
I like AMD, but I had a good chuckle over that, given THIS:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/26293/s303706/ - Terjon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think this is a good idea. I mean I have enough room in my work area to add another large object. So if they decide to make larger, more powerful versions of these cooling units (say something the size of a desktop that lets you overclock to 10-20 Ghz) I'd be up for it.
- klbclem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just wanted to let those of you who aren't familliar with recent 'water' cooling (esp. DrWho) know that most (almost every) liquid cooling systems use antifreeze coolant...it has a greater heat capacity than water and doesn't have as much of the nasty side effects of liquid cooling (if a little antifreeze leakes in your comp. you may smell something sweet burning but it _may_ not short your comp. where as water will almost _always_ short it. I have an AMD 3800+ at full load and it only hits 52c. Just need to get my ram cooled a little better and ill be able to overclock insanely well, but i wont bother until i update to the AM2 chipset this spring/summer. BTW has anyone checked out what http://www.cooligy.com/ is doing lately in terms of practical applications...their liquid cooling would be the only reason I can think of to switch back to water cooling.
- megabytehl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2AMD vs Intel
Keep open minds gentlemen, if you like AMD, take this as a sign AMD is sure to follow and make their own stock watercooling solution (especially if this is well recieved). If you like Intel, take this as a nod to the hardcore modders/overclockers with Intel finally recognizing the market and catering a product specfically to you.
I can't see how Intel getting back in the game is a bad thing. We don't want a monopoly here by anymeans.
Plus think of the new P5 (Mobile-Desktop) stuff with this attached. AMD had better not stagnate, or else they'll be in Intel's shoes a year from now. - aurifex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Looks snazzy, but the RAM bands look even cooler. I want those.
- capran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Interesting if it goes commercial. But looking at that picture, it's odd that they're only cooling the CPU and not those 2 massive SLI'ed graphics cards!
Then an old thought came back to me...GPUs have become so powerful now, that you're building your computer around them...essentially plugging your motherboard into it instead of the other way around. So...how come we don't have motherboard/GPU combos? Not like lame "integrated graphics", but I mean high-end stuff right on the mobo, which could share a watercooling block with the CPU?
As for the upgradeability argument...come on, a decent motherboard is less than $100, and a high-end graphics card is $500ish. If you're throwing that much money at a GPU, what's a little more to have the latest mobo tech built-in too? - klbclem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just wanted to let those of you who aren't familliar with recent 'water' cooling (esp. DrWho) know that most (almost every) liquid cooling systems use antifreeze coolant...it has a greater heat capacity than water and doesn't have as much of the nasty side effects of liquid cooling (if a little antifreeze leakes in your comp. you may smell something sweet burning but it _may_ not short your comp. where as water will almost _always_ short it. I have an AMD 3800+ at full load and it only hits 52c. Just need to get my ram cooled a little better and ill be able to overclock insanely well, but i wont bother until i update to the AM2 chipset this spring/summer. BTW has anyone checked out what http://www.cooligy.com/ is doing lately in terms of practical applications...their liquid cooling would be the only reason I can think of to switch back to water cooling
- RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sadly, this sort of thing is becoming necessary. But it will only fly with the average user if it is truly a zero-maintainance solution.
- drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A 50 foot tall hyperbolic water cooling tower...
- flipper5311, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1my wife works as an engineer at an intel plant.there's something like motivation note on their notice board that reads something like this:
'AMD might have more advanced technologies,but INTEL have far,far better marketing department'
I'd better stay with my AMD...... - burningheretic6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder if it would be silent. That would be realy sweet if it was. Easily worth the 50 bucks even if your not planning to overclock.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Portuguese / Brazilian : http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=206
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http://www.htk.com.br/ - Halodude1489, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes intel really needs this cooling for there extreme edition cpu's I purchased one last year running 3.8ghz and it would hit 70c with stock cooling at 50% usage. Even after I installed a areo cool ht-101 "I think" It will hit 65c at 100%. I have to say intel makes their processors take abuse because I must have overheated this proccessor 6 times. Other than that this is exactly what intel needs.
- pacho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Damage due to overclocking should be included in the warranty then.
- LeeVal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1In 10 years we will look back on this and think, wow how did i work on that slow peice of jung
- zmigliozzi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1watercooling... nothing new... but im glad to see a processor company is stepping up on their stock cooling and moving away from that, "overclocking is bad mmk stance." LOL thats great. dugg
- Gaferion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2prototype, but says at end of article that estimated to retail for less then $50 when its available. Can't say that I'm not excited to get one!
- LordBug, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The RAM bands look like your basic strap on RAM heatsink modules. Your local enthuasist store should stock em.
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