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- diggersupreme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm interested in whether The Venice Project will be able to deliver TV through an web browser too - it will open up the application a lot more as people could link to individual channels or videos. The fact its built using mozilla makes me feel this might be more likely.
Regarding the bandwidth issue saying that TVP takes up lots and lots. Well some info was posted on the Venice Project blog:
http://www.theveniceproject.com/blog/2007/01/venice-s-bandwidth-usage.html
Pretty much any high quality internet video will use a lot of bandwidth, its a problem for all internet TV, and the future will bring beefier connections that can deal with it.
The article said that TVP has ease of use, but I have to disagree. Having tried it myself I think its pretty hard to use. I know its in beta but the overall feel of it is just not that good when you compare it to TiVo or Windows MCE.
The best user interface for Internet TV so far has to be TVTonic:
http://digg.com/software/TVTonic_Easiest_way_to_follow_videos_like_Diggnation_Xbox_Compatible
TVTonic can even be used on the Xbox! and also through Windows Media Center - TRUEPATRIOT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4the venice project is slick and nice looking but it needs more variety channel wise
ive only used it twice really because theres not much to see i hope they add more stuff soon - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've said it before and I'll say it again - the Venice project will ultimately fail because of bandwidth limits. Download may be fine, but p2p requires upload and download - and isps limit upload connection, so it won't work well.
Alternatives for now, that only download and don't upload:
http://www.freetube.us.tc
http://www.mangrove.org
http://www.tvtonic.com - RonaldLewis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Does anyone not understand the meaning of 'Beta'? The software is still in its infancy, and so is the content. While I understand many folks would enjoy seeing more content (myself included), the reality is that we have an opportunity to shape the future of television. So, patience is a virtue.
I've been testing TVP for the past two weeks, and I stand by my word that it will revolutionize TV as we know it today. Add to this their plan to deploy the technology on set top boxes, gaming consoles, etc., and you've got a compelling platform to introduce the world to some very interactive TV content. - maccam912, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, since it's only 0.7 ish, they haven't added many channels, and they said they would when they get to 1.0 or something like that. I agree that as of this moment, there are not too many channels, and I don't like how when it crashes or freezes I have to start the program from the beginning, and rewatching 10-20 minutes, but this is only to be expected on a beta version. It's probably going to get big though, and I can't wait till it does!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I am a beta tester for The Venice Project; just got accepted into the program a few days ago.
I have to say, I like what I see. It is a bit buggy when you watch it for a long time, but meh, its beta software so that is acceptable. At the moment, there is lots of videos, but still its not enough. Keep adding content!
Also, there ARE commercials. They come on between each video, not during. They are the acceptable types of ads...such as: "Brought to you by T-Mobile" *plays the tmobile jingle* and then onto the next video. They aren't intrusive at all, and you barely even notice them.
The Venice Project is going in the right direction, but still needs much more content. - JohnP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It has virtually no worthwhile contenct at the moment. This is more of a programming issue than anything. The quality is great, but theres nothing to watch.
Youtube proves that low quality video will be eaten up by hordes of users aslong as the content is worthwhile. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Once the Venice Project is out of beta, I'm sure it'll be fine. They just need one commercial company to join to start the ball rolling.
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ATM died a long time ago and this current battle is just the same ***** all over again. You want tiered/guaranteed service? Use your phone line and cable TV. That's not what the internet is about.
- djdigital, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@TRUEPATRIOT
I agree, I have only used it a few times since starting last week. Seems like the only good stuff on it right now is music videos. - Quickfix99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wait until some pr0n is added....then it will be gobbled up...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I must have missed that whole skype-turning-on-head thing, because I'm still using Comcast VOIP.
- centinall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So it would seem to me that this thing is basically built on XULRunner with some player with some proprietary codec. It would be interesting to see that by the time that TVP comes out we'll all have an XRE (XUL runtime environment) installed running a bunch of plugin applications like Firefox, Thunderbird, Songbird, Democracy TV, etc...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As many blogs don't mention "SVG" but the incorrect "Adobe SVG", Antoine Quint gives the inside information:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/01/skype_venice_sv.cfm#comments
Especially the bit about maybe giving some SVG hardware accelleration code to Mozilla interests me.
Added TVP to my SVG links page on http://svg.startpagina.nl - zobcat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't know man. I can watch those muscleheads pick up ***** all day long. "Hey look at that rock! I bet I can pick it up! AHHHH!". Awesome.
- biiscit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You think so? Give me examples besides the 4 or 5 channels offered on public television.
- Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Now you know why HD TV came about. The big publishers realised some years ago that internet tv, or streaming/on demand tv was going to basically wipe them out. Why watch fixed programming when you can select what you want when you want, without advertising!
So they released HD TV as the "next big thing" to keep all the plebs still tuning in, still paying subscriptions... TV as we know it is dying. Vive la revolution! :) - domr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"A free service is only good enough to offer recorded / pre-played video."
Er... what? That's like saying live free TV isn't possible. Of course live P2P IPTV is possible. It's already been proved. - domr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For me, the best thing about TVP is that's it's built on open standards and open software - even though I'm sure the video itself will be locked down, this will allow third party developers to easily develop plugins/extensions. It also means the development process is much quicker - they're not having to reinvent the wheel with everything they do.
- jeremyliew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0People (including Om) have noted three key hurdles that TVP will need to overcome to be successful; (i) content is weak (ii) download is required (iii) big bandwidth demands. I think (i) and (ii) are surmountable but (iii) will be a challenge as P2P doesn't do enough to solve the problem at high penetration rates. If you're interested, I've posted about it at http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/the-venice-project-both-easier-and-harder-than-people-think/
- biiscit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I don't see true IPTV [with all the channels of cable tv] on a computer working unless it's a pay service.
A free service is only good enough to offer recorded / pre-played video. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1This is why net neutrality makes no sense. The internet is not just for e-mail, web browsing, and trading files.
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