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- rasmithuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Jabber (XMPP) has always had support for Gateways (something that looks like a contact but stores you account data and routes messages between IM networks) including MSN, AIM, Yahoo and a few others. The problem is after you've installed it on your Jabber server and had people using it for a week or two the target (MSN,AIM,Yahoo) bans your IP and kills it.
Hopefully this will mean that at least AIM will stop the blocking, but since Jabber Inc is the commercial arm and have their own server it might not mean anything to the rest of us. - rockmanac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2
I don't think this means anything except for user's of Jabber's commercial enterprise software.
-A - nacs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did anyone even read the article?
It says "Jabber, Inc"'s enterprise product can talk to AIM users officially now.
Not Google. Not the Jabber protocol in general (although gateways can do this of course).
There is 0 mention of Google talk supporting it and I'd highly doubt it ever will. - noclip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm still not downloading it. Just another IM client, except with a Google logo stamped on it.
I can understand what Google's strategy was -- "We go in and instantly take 90% of the market (because we're Google) and the IM mess is solved forever." Maybe this could have happend, but GT lacks some serious features (File transfer? SSL?) and doesn't do any interoperability whatsoever (Which is pretty much Jabber's strongest selling point). Instead, their crappy messenger program just added to the dump of IM crap.
On why others block Jabber transports, it's because they would hail the end of a multi-instant messenger market. If I can just sign up for one network that lets me access all the others, I'm going to do it. And so are all my friends. As soon as everybody's on it, they can just communicate directly over the Jabber network and forget the others alltogether. Transports would enable one company to truly dominate the market permenantly.
If I was Google, I'd set up transports and go straight to court as soon as the IP was blocked instead of just crawling away into the corner like current transports do. - leomyhero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Did anyone bother to see the date??? April 2005!
- gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Im waiting for when Gtalk can let you talk to UFO's
- tapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Alright guys, this story is completely and utterly wrong!
Jabber XCP is a specific Jabber (XMPP) server, made by Jabber Inc. Jabber Inc licensed the right to connect to AIM using an official method that wouldn't be blocked. Unofficial methods, known as transports, exist already and are popular in the Jabber community.
Jabber Inc may have licensed AIM connectivity from AOL, this has absolutely no relation to anyone else who may be using Jabber technologies. This is only, and let me repeat this, *only* for Jabber Inc's XCP server. For the record, most Jabber servers run a different server, Jabberd (Or various others such as Jive Messenger.) Google wrote their own.
In summary:
Jabber Inc is a company that sells XMPP-based instant messenging servers for large corporations. They are now allowing companies that buy their server to communicate using AIM. This isn't new, Microsoft has allowed users of their Live Communications Server to talk to AIM and Yahoo users, for example.
Jabber.org is a non-profit, unrelated to Jabber Inc, that manages, enhances, and controls the Jabber protocol, known as XMPP.
Google uses XMPP in Google Talk.
That's it. - NickDouglas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hope so. I'd love to eventually quit Gaim and run Yahoo, MSN, and AIM on Google Talk. It's so functional and so beautiful, and it could run everything with one account. Even with Gaim, I'm stuck with 4 accounts to juggle.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"And how big is America compared to the rest of the world? :P"
pretty damn big. 3rd or 4th largest in terms of population if im not mistaken. plus a much larger percentage of computer users than most countries. there's nothing wrong with AIM's service, their client is just crap. download a nice copy of gaim and you're all set. besides, who would you all hate without us? - LazyBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For right now im use AIm 5.9 with messager:mate great add-on for aim.
- madd_matt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The second Google talk allows me to talk to other jabber servers is the second i stop dissing it. Right now its adding yet-another-im-service, which we desperately do not need. Even if they didn't have transports, whats to stop me from running my own jabber server with transports so it doesn't look dodgy, since I'd be the only person using it, and not the usual swarm.
I'll be happy the day i can sit down, sign in, and talk to everybody like i do with email right now. - achtunga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This would be great. If AOL does it with AIM, then most likely Microsoft will do it for MSN. Then all the others will follow.
- mad23dog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if this happened i would get rid of AIM for good!!
- blhack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i really have no complaints about gaim....aside from it's inablility to File Transfers (except when it decides that it wants to :(, which is rare.)
- Jonzo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That would freeekin sweet
- mr.tech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That would be so cool, then I would only have to use 1 messiging cliant
- paintist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't see how this will happen as google uses the Jabber protocol, but google servers. Whereas AOL and Jabber share servrs.
- MWWLSE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Could this be why AOL was experimenting with adding huge ads directly into the IMs? No matter which client you use, you'll always get the AIM ads?
- cmdpr0mpt123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That would be awesome~
- ryanpc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0KriLL3.2 -- what information do you base your percentage off of?
- alarm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"No one use AIM or ICQ. 99% of all IM:ers use MSN. So I cant see the point really."
Maybe outside of America. - KriLL3.2™, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And how big is America compared to the rest of the world? :P
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0it has to connect to AIM (if not all the others also) if it wants to stay in existance. right now google talk is incredibly useless. it will have to work with mainstream clients if it wants to stay in business.
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0IRT Above:
What he said. AOL would allow that for only as long as it took to block it. While they may be OK with an open client using it, they won't stand for a competitor interoperating with them. - compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Which will be in *whoeverknows* days.
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hopefully the same will happen with other things like MSN/Yahoo/any other mesenger thing, also Sykpe?
When that happens, I will use Google Talk.. :)
- Ben - lerch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This would be awsome! +digg
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"could Google take advantage of this agreement to allow some kind of interoperability between Gtalk and AIM?"
Let's hope. I hate using AIM becuase it's owned by AOL who I despise and I also hate using MSN becuase it's owned by M$ a company I despise even more than AOL. And none of my friends use GoogleTalk so this would be so sweet. - ajamison, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anyone else notice the article was is dated back in April? Is there any recent news concerning this?
- recover82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this would be great. i use trillian and it's a steaming heap of dung.
if gTalk would add support for my AIM lists and file transfers..i'd be set. - jbibby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This will happen eventually.
From the Google Talk about page... "We can say this, though: we believe strongly in user choice and open standards, and we are committed to letting users access Google Talk using the client and platform of their choice, as well as to enabling our users to talk with users from other service providers." - Gepetto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would switch over to gTalk if this happened
- windwaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Are you guys idiots? THIS IS WHAT XMPP IS FOR.
- krazedkaoz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I hope google talk will be able to talk to aim users soon. When that happens I will dump my aim name.
- Régis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Come on! There has been gateways for Yahoo, Aim, ICQ, msn, irc, gadu-gadu and others for years on the Jabber network. It is not ideal, but it will available as soon as Google Talk joins the Jabber network (which might be pretty soon). Or as soon as you open your account on a real Jabber server. Other course a reail interoperability with other IM would be better than gateways, but I can't imagine microsoft to cooperate.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0madd_matt: Google put their S2S server online a few days ago, check the Jabber mailing list. It will probably come with the next version.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would definitely use Google Talk, if it is interoperable with all IM clients.
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0AIM sucks. I don't even want to chat with anyone that uses AIM. And I find it hard to believe 99% of people use MSN, it's not that great either.
Long live Yahoo messenger! - Arkitan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I hate AOL I wish my friends didn't use AIM.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0AWESOME!
Gotta love the all knowing google!
http://www.geek2us.net
Coffee - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0skype all the way, forget the rest
http://www.bogeydope.com
-mrglass - CoolSilver, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Boooo.
- KriLL3.2™, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0No one use AIM or ICQ. 99% of all IM:ers use MSN. So I cant see the point really.
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