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- mahoutie, on 07/04/2008, -4/+219Who the ***** is Indiana Gregg?
- juicebag, on 07/04/2008, -4/+136Internet Police? Oh No!
- scottja35, on 07/04/2008, -5/+124She is aiming at profundity, but comes off like a blundering buffoon.
"[S]tating I’m a ‘millionaire’ wasn’t appropriately quantified. Am I a millionaire because I have millions of ants in my garden? Is it because I have had millions of people listen to my music on sites like MySpace or YouTube? Is it because I’m grateful to be healthy? How people quantify ‘richness’ in their lives depends on how people perceive value."
Indiana, if you really do have one million ants, I need to warn you that them fellas won't grow *****. - shiitake, on 07/04/2008, -7/+120Makes me want to download her stuff now... whoever she is...
- hoshizakistar, on 07/04/2008, -4/+97"... we tracked and found over 100,000 leechers of my album alone. Since then, we’ve found about 150,000 more, of which I, the artist ... haven’t received a dime."
Who's to say that if those people were unable to download a torrent of her album, they would have bought it instead? Perhaps they're just trying it out to see how her music sounds. More importantly, who's to say that a number of those people didn't go out and buy her album after giving it a few listens and deciding they liked it?
The music industry always cites how many times an album is shared on the internet and directly equates that with lost revenue. What they don't understand is how that logic is flawed. There are too many other factors to account for: People downloading an album they had once purchased but then lost, people trying out music they would never pay for in the first place, 'try before you buy', etc.
My point is that people fail to see that file sharing can do plenty good for artists and help them to gain exposure. It also does plenty good for the consumer who is able to sample music before they buy it, which will hopefully force the music industry to improve it's products so more people want to buy them instead of download them for free. I'm all for better main-stream music. - doshindude, on 07/04/2008, -6/+95Arr, ye who scuffles with the Pirate Bay be walkin the internet plank.
Direct links to the emails (in order):
1st email: http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/indianagregg_ ...
2nd email: http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/indianagregg_ ...
3rd email: http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/indianagregg_ ...
4th email: http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/indianagregg_ ... - zerocool1990, on 07/04/2008, -5/+89What a ***** idiot.
Internet police ? Internet passports ?...Who the ***** is that bitch anyway ? - GhostyBoy, on 07/04/2008, -7/+85What an ungrateful bitch.
I'm releasing an album pretty soon and it would be my dream come true if it was even remotely popular to torrent. All those listeners enjoying her music and she is complaining about it?!? ***** you lady. - Risingashes, on 07/04/2008, -5/+77Songs are not the same as guitars because you cannot endlessly reproduce guitars at no extra cost. If there was a machine that could create guitars out of thin air then I would expect to be able to hand a guitar copy out to every single person I meet without the guitar companies expecting a commission.
- earthforce1, on 07/04/2008, -12/+75Why is it some people cannot wrap their brains around the fact that 1's and 0's are not physical property and cannot be treated as such. Sharing is not stealing. Her store analogy is flawed - you are not going into a store and taking things, you are just giving away products identical to what the store has.
Property law is based on scarcity and finite resources - this does not apply in the cyber world. - geoken, on 07/04/2008, -4/+56This person must have been living under a rock for the last 10 years. Her comments summarize pretty much every logically fallacious claim made about filesharing in the past decade, and she presents them as if they're revelations. "Every download = a lost sale" and "downloading an infinitely and freely reproducible item = stealing actual goods" are arguments only made by people who have no grasp of logic or reality.
Just accept the fact that there are a lot of people who place zero value on your work. They will only appropriate it when it's cost is equal to the value they place on it. If you revoke their ability to obtain it at this value, they will merely go without it.
Oh, btw. Good job aligning yourself with Microsoft. What better way to make us feel sorry for the little guy (ie. artist such as yourself) facing off against giants than by likening yourself to Microsoft. - Daggity, on 07/04/2008, -2/+49Download it, seed it, but not listen to it. :D
- t2t2, on 07/04/2008, -1/+40Internet Sheriff already failed, what police gonna do then? Attack with donuts?
- Depravo, on 07/04/2008, -2/+40Then her plan has worked. Honestly, who had heard of her before this fiasco? About 12 people and she was at least three of those people.
This outburst was calculated to goad people into downloading her music. A lot of those people will listen to it. Some of those may even like it. Hey Presto! She has now increased her potential market from 12 to several thousand. - doshindude, on 07/04/2008, -2/+36It doesn't affect enemy Pirate Bay!
Pirate Bay used SATIRICAL RETALIATION!
It's super effective! - afx1, on 07/04/2008, -2/+34she's just upset nobody is seeding her music
- jaseshimmy, on 07/04/2008, -0/+31Ian Morrow (record label of Gregg):
"The illegal file sharing of the Indiana Gregg album ... has almost bankrupted our company and sadly the artist and myself personally, not to mention many other small independent labels and artists worldwide. "
Indiana Gregg:
"I am a millionaire and do not claim to be bankrupt. Your opinion is not necessary or relevent to my request that you remove the URL."
How stupid can these people get? - 1807, on 07/04/2008, -0/+30The is the internet police...we have your website surrounded. We know you're in there...come out with your hands up. If you do not step outside slowly we will be forced to bombard you with empty, excessive threats.
- Devotia, on 07/04/2008, -0/+30Henry Gregg's dog?
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -4/+29Smells like Publicity Stunt.
- KMartSheriff, on 07/04/2008, -1/+26Honestly, she should be happy people even give enough crap to bother torrenting her album in the first place.
- sirber, on 07/04/2008, -0/+25a millionaire
- compu73rg33k, on 07/04/2008, -10/+35YOU JUST DON'T GET IT DO YA?
/dr. phil - lolwutpear, on 07/04/2008, -3/+27we named the dog indiana
- btschul, on 07/04/2008, -1/+22Yeah, Internet passports. The interweb is the last vestige of absolute, complete freedom on the planet and she wants the government to use our tax money to monitor it and police it and restrict it. ***** you, Indiana Gregg.
- zyl0x, on 07/04/2008, -4/+24Let me summarize her thoughts:
"Wah." - YoWhatDaFuxUp, on 07/04/2008, -0/+20no seeders
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -4/+23http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3664298/Indiana_Gregg_ ...
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -0/+19There never were. No one wants her *****.
- GoGoPoCoSo, on 07/04/2008, -3/+22Peter: 4
Indiana: 0 - Gutterpunk, on 07/04/2008, -0/+19Well she has a million ants, or is that a million muffins?
Indiana Gregg, Muffin Mogul!
/Sell your muffin instead of your music, they can't be pirated! - rl1cool, on 07/04/2008, -4/+22LOL!
I'm not sure that stealing something like bread is the same as creating a copy of digital information. Bread has ingredients with an associated cost. Digital reproductions of music do not cost anything. As the file sharers are creating the copy of the digital information a better analogy is that music is like a recipe for a type of bread, and file sharers are bakers with their own oven using different recipes. :D
Musicians only lose money to file sharing when people who would NORMALLY buy their work do not due to file sharing. To assume that everyone who downloaded Indiana's album would have purchased that album otherwise is ridiculous.
Oh noes people are enjoying more music... - clubby, on 07/04/2008, -3/+21"filesharing is making it hard for smaller musicians who don't have economics of scale on their side"
You've got that 100% backwards. Smaller bands can't get a record deal. In order to get known outside of their hometown, they *need* filesharing. Those poor smaller musicians have *never* had economics of scale on their side, but thanks to filesharing, they're getting there.
Like it or not, bands are going to have to make money from donations and live performances. Just like in the old days, before we invented this copyright thing. - wtfhacksDan, on 07/04/2008, -4/+22You will never stop file sharing or piracy, get over it.
- sirber, on 07/04/2008, -0/+18someone on myspace!
- snapcase, on 07/04/2008, -0/+17She also gets redundant pretty quick about halfway through. She clearly misinterprets the meaning of people talking about change and adaptation and then makes a statement that seems to claim that torrent site owners try to get their users to quote Darwin. She doesn't understand the ability of ISPs to track their users or that of the Governments. She clearly doesn't understand that The Pirate Bay is under absolutely no obligation to take down any copyrighted material. And she actually tries to claim Prince as a soldier for her cause.
Piracy will never die it just changes. You'd be better off adopting it into your marketing strategy like NIN and see a profit. Oh and of course there's the clearly irrelevant that with organizations like the RIAA/MPAA the artists don't get but a small portion of the money made off of their albums. The music industry isn't dying because of Piracy, the music industry is dying due to its own devices. - superkendall, on 07/04/2008, -6/+22Indiana Gregg - how do you think people FIND OUT about your music? Might it very well not be the 150k torrents out there?
Torrents are the new radio. We as consumers will buy something if we like it. But we'll never know you exist through traditional means anymore. I don't listen to radio, and hardly watch TV. Do not try so hard to stifle the thing that has given you money, and that continues to lead new people to you.
Your core problem seems to be jealously that people are making money showing other people you exist. Yet that's just one point on a continuum that is hardly far from radio itself - were you really making so much per play from radio? Yet they are making money hand over fist as well, why not get mad at them? Or any other distribution medium for your music that takes a cut?
You have a lot of faith in the internet police, but like with so many truly effective acts of civil disobedience you simply cannot "come" for people when there are more people than police!
I cannot help but wonder that on a day devoted to independence, you wish to shackle yourself further into old channels of distribution and ignore the real power of the FANS to make someone like yourself popular. Success you have had springs from them, so respect the love they offer and learn to paddle down the river they provide you.
Those 50K+ extra torrents you noted? Consider this - that's 50k people coming to CHECK YOU OUT. Will you be worthy of them? - inactive, on 07/04/2008, -3/+19Dear indiana Gregg, i don't know who you are, nor do i feel like wasting my bandwidth to listen to your sub par music. I would never buy your album, and you are lucky if i even listen to it via bittorrent.
- pigletj, on 07/04/2008, -5/+21I rant out of steam at the following sentence in the article:
"Since the birth of the Internet, people have been hacking software, stealing music, books, films, television shows, credit card numbers, eBay accounts, IP addresses"
I knew I had more IP addresses than that! It's so obvious now, SOMEONE IS STEALING THEM. I'm looking at you Digg. - t0x2c, on 07/04/2008, -0/+15LOOK PORT SIDE HE'S GOT A FIREWALL
- sgt99999, on 07/04/2008, -4/+19The only real argument for the copyright protection she wants is that it is the law. I think it is time the law was changed.
- ElTomacco, on 07/04/2008, -0/+14ALRIGHT, SHUT UP!
/judge judy - highwebl, on 07/04/2008, -0/+14I have no idea who she is, but without The Pirate Bay, I never would have heard her name.
- Arcotik, on 07/04/2008, -2/+15I wasn't aware it was desirable to have to have an "ePassport" to visit a website based in another country. ***** stupid.
- Atomic1fire, on 07/04/2008, -0/+13OH CRAP ITS A BOTNET
RUN FOR COVER - Stormwern, on 07/04/2008, -0/+13Very much doubt it, the internet is too big and spread over too many countries to be controlled.
- Gutterpunk, on 07/04/2008, -0/+13Someone who think her opinion matters?
- BowieX, on 07/04/2008, -0/+13YOU GO, GIRLFRIEND!
/oprah - Stormwern, on 07/04/2008, -2/+15It may also force some artists to actually work for a living. Whatever happened to making money from live preformances?
- skoles, on 07/04/2008, -3/+16Attention musicians:
Put your entire discography up for listening to on your websites so that I may sample it there instead. The only reason I download my music is because I was burned to many times in the past from the one "radio friendly" hit on an album of suck. Had I the chance to listen to the album in full I never would've bought it.
So your labels insistence on putting out singles that sound nothing else like the rest of the album hurts your sales. Why not let the artist pick the songs that really represent the album and audience they want to reach. After all, they will be the ones buying it & telling their friends. With CD's going for $15-18 a pop in most places (thank god for Newbury Comics here in New England with $12 new releases) I want to make an edjumacated purchase much like how I would first read up on buying any piece of electronics or software.
There have been plenty of albums I may have purchase based on the single, but far more I was glad I skipped & deleted because of file-sharing. And as a bonus I've discovered a ton of new music I never would've thought of looking at based on some sites recommendation systems. I have been buying what I've downloaded in the past (because I do want the CD-quality rip) so fans may catch up with you in the end. -
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