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- flash200, on 10/12/2007, -7/+123Not wanting to be outdone, India has decided to give the US and China a run for their money. Said one Indian official, who spoke on condition of not being quoted, "If there's any country in the world that can avoid getting a useful benefit out of the internet, it's certainly us. Not those other silly countries."
Reportedly, the US government was outraged by this news, and threatened to disable all telephone lines and cable lines in their own country. "The thing you have to understand," said a Senator from Alaska, "is that these series of tubes are bad for the truck business." One thing is clear, the US will not take this challenge to its bureaucratic ineffectiveness lightly.
The Chinese government responded in turn by making a public proclamation that fire, and all technology derived from it, has now been banned by the government. Said one Chinese official, "Top that!" - mayhemt, on 10/12/2007, -8/+74Another example of 'what happens if retards run the goverments'....
looks like all the governments are competing for 'the most insane-dumbest government when it comes to internet control'... - RuBot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31I'm an Indian & I'm very shocked by this.
But this is ridiculous! I'm from a democratic country & this isn't how civilized societies are supposed to act.
These fuclers have chose the wrong generation to pick a fight with. This isn't over yet. See how in the next few days the public outcry would teach the bastards who's the boss in a democratic society.
If we Indians are good with anything, it is kicking our government's balls! - hobg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Ways to get around block:
Coral Cache: http://mumbaihelp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/
PK Blogs: http://pkblogs.com/mumbaihelp
Altavista Translate: http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmumbaihelp.blogspot.com - fani, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Do some research before banging away at the keyboard and posting thrice.
Don't jump to conclusions first and then go back and edit your own posts. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Perhaps ironically, that article is blocked here at work.
- helikopter, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16bravo, flash, bravo.
- deviant87, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Add Tor to that http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter
- arunforce, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23Chinaism has infected India!
- captainsparrow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I totally agree . For a democracy like India, this is a shame.. censoring is different from blocking/ banning..if media ain't free, fear creeps in..and it wont be a democracy no more...cant watch India walking in the footsteps of china
- ManishV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Right after they stop listening to Americans' phone calls ;)
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10This is very sad. The reason lies not only with dumb politicians but also dumb implementation of policy. Basically, the Indian govt. had sent a list of 22 blogs/sites that it wanted blocked and the ISP's just blocked the entire domain. I hope this will be corrected soon.
Not that I condone the blocking of the 22 sites. Opinion, no matter how counter culturalistic, or hard to swallow must be allowed to be expressed.
The good out of this is that Indian bloggers have filed an application for release the list of the 22 sites blocked. I am very interested to know which sites were officially blocked and why? I have a suspicision that this could have something to do with recent bombings in India. For now, I guess its wait and see. - kurotenshi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This just seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to last week's bombings...hopefully this will pass as they implement a more precise approach at blocking what I imagine is their concern...hate filled blogs and such.
We had, still are, having a few knee jerk reactions here in the states as well. - affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Any anonymous proxy site will do
- ujwal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8This sounds strange and undemocratic if true. Quite unlike Indian govt. Could you please provide a URL or source which backs up your claim and explains the governement's view point?
Thanks - badmojoman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm also surprised by this "all-or-nothing" type of response. not sure how closely it's tied into the train bombings in Mumbai recently, but there were reports that India suspected Pakastani militants of orchestrating the attacks. If they feel that the conspirators (whomever they may be) tried to use blogs to coordinate the attacks, that may be why they've taken such a radical step.
Begs the question: when do other governments or administrative organizations take similar stands? What events propel them to make such decisions? - galtroarc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@kd1s
Wow..How did u arrive at that conclusion??? Your analysis was admirably succinct and quick though deeply flawed - classic ill-informed armchair analysis.
Yet...It was fun how in 3-4 sentences u brought in the USSR and communism, captilalism, hits on your blog , concluded that India doesn't allow blogs and laid out the path to snip those outsourcing contracts...you have a talent bro...very reminiscent of Bush's speeches.
And..about those hits from India or China on your blog [you set yourself up here], who are you?? And why should Indians and Chinese [ or anybody else for that matter] care?
Dude! Seriously...India blocked these websites [wrongly and alarmingly ]starting a couple of days ago...and not all blogs! You on the other hand have probably been unpopular forever.
Think before you shoot bro. - megaloid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree. Everywhere in the world today, liberty is on the ropes because the elitists who control political machines are fundamentally, implacably hostile to the idea of masses of people beyond their control. They are absolute control freaks, living life the only way they know how, that is, "managing" and "planning" the affairs of other people.
The tragedy of this elitist doctrine is two-fold; firstly, because of the suffering it inflicts upon multitudes of unsuspecting people, and secondly, because the sheer evil of it is totally unseen by its practicioners. They see the Hegelian problem-reaction-solution cycle that you describe as the only avenue for human evolution, carefully overseen by their institutions, of course. Ironically, they think they are moving human evolution forward, but because of their tragic inability to evaluate their own actions ethically, they are actually trying to push humanity back into the despotic, hyper-controlled, tyrannical structures of the ancient world.
God, what a terrible thing it is foment fear and suffering in human beings. For the sake of those who take it upon themselves to scheme this way, it would be better if they never even existed because a world that has overcome dialectical reasoning has no place for them. What will they do? Play golf? - nachowski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This is pathetic. And I *know* for a fact that calling up the imbeciles who work at my ISP (BSNL) will not understand a thing I say. These idiots are the same people who tried to convince me that I'd get a 256kbps upstream speed on a 256kbps ADSL line.
- cdawzrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3you forgot the sarcasm tags.
- Khilona, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8WTF. I cannot access my blog anymore. Grrr
- RuBot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@ hchaudh1
I know I may be overreacting but knowing the Indian babus, it is better that we're on our guards.
And besides, this isn't the first time the myopic government would have done more harm to India. The Babus & Netas wouldn't blink an eyelid in driving Google out of India. When was the last time these parasites called Politicians have done anything selflessly. - masteryoda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Aha it is interesting even Boingboing is blocked and I cant even open Google :-( Damn you DOT
- gib786, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7khilona - your name made me think of mohammad rafi's track, hehehe (feel free to digg down if you dont know what the hell im talkin about)
- AlbinoRaven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Actually it makes sense if you are a country deciding to go to war with another country.
Look at how the Iraqis conflict was changed over blogging. All it took was a local blogger to look out the window and watch troops walking down their streets. They publish the troop movements in the area (instantly) and give away intel on location/size/support. Exact same thing is happening right now in Lebanon, people are sitting there by their computers looking out their windows tracking troop movements and typing it into their blogs. pajamasmedia.com is an awesome look at how a computer/wifi can illustrate army intel without the army intel infrastructure (satellites, drones, billion dollar toys) in the curent Israeli/Lebanese conflict.
It doesn't take much effort to understand that most countries realise that information (doesn't matter if it's the price of apple or a tank rolling down the road) is immediate now. When you need to, erm, invade a countryh or be prepared to be invaded by a country, (that ryhmes with takisistan), you don't want your local population giving away the location of your troops. In fact at that time you want to limit communication and control the in's and out's. I wouldn't be surprised if there are government psyops pounding keyboards right now relaying real troop movement with wrong locations and or numbers.
Just a thought - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Pakistan has been blocking blogs and various sites too:
http://www.help-pakistan.com/main/
Looks like it's a wider epidemic. - hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6So Indians hate Indian tech support too [RIMSHOT] LOL
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Maybe we should block all those Indian customer service outsourcers.
- kedaar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can bet they will take more that week to realise this and open it back to people of India.
- piper5ul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The right to Information act here http://persmin.nic.in/RTI/WelcomeRTI.htm doesn't guarantee that disclosures will always happen.
most notably
"What is not open to disclosure?
The following is exempt from disclosure [S.8)]
1. information, disclosure of which would prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, relation with foreign State or lead to incitement of an offense "
This is standard practice and all govts do this. The thing to find out is if its really temporary and if the so called "SIMI"ans in question are using the bypass routes like everyone else and rendering the ban somewhat of a nuisance. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It Is True. I notice this about a week ago looking in my sitemeter and were the traffic from my blog at blogspot was coming from. I notice that http://pkblogs.com kepted coming up and they were using it to gain access to my blog. This article just turned a light bulb on in my head!
Digg! - indoloony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For all the brilliant advisors on government payroll, this is the best option that they could come up with. They should have coordinated this move with blogspot because that would have been more efficient and less likely to cause a stir amongst the public. It's sad that they went for the brute force method to circumvent their terrorism communication issue. This is one of the stupidest things I've seen our government do..
I am waiting for an official statement from the government on this issue, and I hope this is big mistake, for the sake of the government. - ManishV, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"the Indian govt. had sent a list of 22 blogs/sites that it wanted blocked"
22 *pages* of sites, according to news reports, not 22 sites. - riplikethat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Meh!.. I don't think anyone understands the way we Indians treat our government. Just recently in 2 different events (read=***** up management retarded politics) people ripped this government apart protesting day and night (they got what they wanted).
If this banning goes on long enough, or they try to ***** up our system like China, I see this government going down faster than Bush's ratings. Has to be the most pussified government with a shy little PM that refuses to act strictly on anything.. not to mention they are ignoring the middle class a lot lately. Idiots. - arkavat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't think its a long term ban... Indian government is just being cautious after the bombing in mumbai... it is trying to avoid enraged people blogging against the bombing and spread hatred against Islam..
We don't want another godra riot in India...
Also we have a right to information act.. which forces the government to explain each and every move it makes.. so i guess the truth should be out in a day or two... - ManishV, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4As in the U.S., the private sector is much more technically skilled than the gov't (heard about the FBI computer sys?)
- InTeGeR13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I still can't figure out why this ban has been brought into place... Is it to stop terrorists communicating or it is to stop angry Mumbai-ites blogging against the terrorists...?
Anyway, hope the smoke clears up in a day or two... the present government has a huge "negative-digg" collection anyway.
Still... the fellows could have informed why they were doing this and all... - decay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2uSe A PROXY I think (sOrry my keyboard is broken :))
HIDEMYASS.COM - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Kudos to India for blocking Geocities.
- prattboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Maybe the U.S. would be a better place if *.blogspot.com, *.typepad.com and geocities.com/* were blocked, too! Add myspace.com/* to that block list, and I think you'd be on your way to making the Internet more useful.
- flash200, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3In a nutshell, you can have an oppressive regime, or you can have the internet, but in the long run you can't have both. It's not possible to have useful technology without allowing some of the freedoms that it creates. Conversely, it's not possible to remove all freedoms from a technology, without losing 99.9% of the usefulness the technology has.
A larger population requires a greater amount of control over the population, and a greater restriction on freedoms, for the government to remain in power. What common thread do India, the US, and China have--besides recent efforts to restrict the internet? They're the three largest countries in the world by population:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population - gurijala, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Two sources, one inside the Government of India and the other kind of inside/outside have confirmed to the Mutiny, that ISPs are being instructed to ‘control’ access to blogspot. It seems that some blogs are being used by some terror units (read SIMI) to communicate.
There is a crack down in place. IP numbers are being physically located and identified. All should come back to normal once this operation is over. There is no ban in place. Livejournal and Wordpress have been spared. No reason given.
Now I know you are not going to believe this, so I’m going to quote what she said, “This operation is limited to certain parts of India. Bloggers in Andaman, Nicobar and Lakhsadeep islands are not affected.” I thought she was joking but I didn’t hear the reciprocal laughter from the other end of the phone line.
I’m sorry; I can’t give you any more details or updates unless we hear from our sources. They have indicated they won’t on this topic but we are trying.
source: http://mutiny.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/blog-blackout/ - SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is like a microcosm of what is happening in the US. First they get attacked by terrorists, then everyone gets scared, then the government unreasonably limits the freedoms of their own people in the name of security. It just happened a lot faster there and they took it much farther than we have, although maybe something like this is the true purpose of the anti-net neutrality laws.
- masteryoda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Name one country which does not control the media.
- redfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Not every country censors movies. For all of the stick the FCC gets in the US (most of it rightly so), movies have mostly been off-limits here. And remind me again how many Indian states banned "The Da Vinci Code" from theaters? At least four or five, I believe.
IIRC, Congress only lost in 1977, 1989, and 1996. Neither lasted for very long before Congress was back in power. And yes Sonia Gandhi was elected in 2004... and was so well-liked that she was forced to step aside and not become PM.
Look nothing against India, but there are a lot of questionable policies for what is supposed to be a democracy. It's nothing that's affected me personally when I've been there, but India seems to be slowly learning that openness and capitalism have some advantages over the history of central economic and social controls that have previously been the norm. - lynnseck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What is the meaning of Democracy. Is it all control by Gov?
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes India has been censoring movies since forever. But so does every country. As far as the 1 party rule stuff, I don't think that's true at all. Do a Wiki search or something.
In the last elections, the popularly elected Prime Minister was an Italian born female christian. Yes, the other politicians riled the foreigner issue and she stepped aside for another candidate, but it does go to show not all is bad with Indian democracy. Not to mention the fact that the current Prime minister and President are a Sikh and a Moslem respectively, not exactly from the majority.
Indian democracy is far from being perfect, but to paint it with such a broad brush as being murky is kind of knee jerk. Heck even in America, I think it will be quite some time before it gets a non-christian, non-white, female President. Just saying.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1there goes my vote for this stupid government .....
damn them , cant even access my own blog - mv36, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Hello you must be India's border friends from across the north east then ?
- truenature, on 06/30/2008, -0/+1Discrimination
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