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- saralk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14The skyloft looks interestings, I can imagine airlines putting casinos, bars and other cash cows as they try and stay profitable in the face of increased fuel costs.
- steger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11No the 787 is the dreamliner, which is, I believe, a 200-250 passenger plane with a very fuel efficent design. To replace the aging 757 that isnt being built anymore.
The 747 (or 748 if you want to get techincal) is a more fuel efficent variant of the 747 design. - jollyjonny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The 850 person capacity is if they crammed ALL coach seats into the plane (I guess if jetblue bought one...?). I pretty sure that with a standard seating configuration (including first and business classes), the capacity is somewhere around 555.
Also, am I the only one who thinks that the 747 is waaay better looking than the a380??? - patterson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8They're making both... the 787 is a different (smaller) model.
- dustyshadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8A bar would be a great idea. Who wouldn't want a bar on their overseas 9-12 hour flights?
- trulymadly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8it can't be converted to more seats -- seats require emergency exits. the 747 doesn't have exits on this second floor lounge and never will.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8darkclarity, that's probably because airlines' boeing models are extremely outdated now, because they last so long. they usually just renovate them with newer electronics and keep using the same model.. this is why they are buying up boeing's new models in such a scurry.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The 787 Dreamliner takes a new approach that is far ahead of any current plane or even anything yet proposed by airbus. It makes extensive use of carbon fiber composites.
- andrewpmk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You could use magnetic chips.
- knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7ah ***** im retarded.
- zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7747 is IMO the best looking transcontinental plane at the air port.
- dpk87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Wait, I thought I heard they were making a 787. Is the 787 the same thing as the 747-8?
- rlombardo, on 11/05/2008, -1/+6That's a beautiful plane. Despite Airbus having their huge double decker plane it keeps getting delayed due to wiring problems and there has been a lot of talk recently about how many customers are opting for Boeing products instead of Airbus (which has totally underestimated Boeing)
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5or more legroom...
- lahar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Intercontinental: Having the capability of traveling from one continent to another
Transcontinental: Spanning or crossing a continent. - bubajoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not sure about the "(trulymadly) doesn't have exits on this second floor lounge and never will." Images 6 and 8 both show a new exit door in the upper section.
- mangojump, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@knightblade2004
dude thats the windtunnel - grafix52, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The Skyloft will never be fitted out for emergency egress as trulymadly made very clear. The Skyloft area is currently used, I believe, as crew rest and private quarters on long, trans-continental flights to allow crew to work a safe number of hours on the same flight. I can only assume that these areas have now been moved to another area on the aircraft, or that legislation has changed to allow longer hours to be worked by cabin crew, thus freeing up the space for the Skyloft.
Emergency access cannot be fitted here simply because of it's position. The fitting of an emergency door would weaken the airframe in this area and is generally impractical, thusly, no coach seating.
Airlines such as Virgin Atlantic, Qatar Air and Emirates will most likely use this space as it is intended - for shops, bars and perhaps restaurants, much as some of their aircraft do at the moment, particularly Virgin who have a bar on some of their current 747 aircraft. Maybe we'll finally see the realisation of what air travel was once lauded as... extreme comfort from A to B. - fjacky66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If it aint Boeing i aint going.
- axiomata, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I see Boeing with a surprise upset over the Airbus A380 with the 787 and the new 747.
- Trevino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sexiest looking commercial airliner I have ever seen.
- igneon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6
- rdicker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The article is misleading here. It is comparing a max capacity configuration A380 to a standard capacity configuration 747-8. A more accurate comparison would be 450 for the 747-8 and 555 for the A380. The AirBus is still bigger, but not as dramatic as it is made to look.
- trulymadly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Re: "WTF are people talking about with the second level not having seats in it and not having exits? Has no one ever been on a 747 before?" this is about the "SKY LOUNGE" not the existing seating. The SKY LOUNGE (you know, the casino, bar, pleasure paradise everyone is talking about?) can never have any more pasenger seating because it has no exits and it *never* will. This relegates it to massage parlor/opium den status. RTFA
- dcgoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wouldn't be surprised if airlines tried to cram even more coach class seats into that space. When the concept designs for the A380 started appearing, they showed unconventional lavish interiors with space, redesigned seats, etc. Of course, these designs didn't see much implementation at all, once the plane went into production.
Sadly, as these airlines are striving to stay afloat it seems packing as many seats into the space they have is all they can do, leaving little room for any interesting or basic amenities outside the business and 1st class. Thus, I don't think we'll see anything new in these skylofts. - igneon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The 777 is a jumbo plane, and it was announced 15 years ago.
- ComputerMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The thing about Boeings is that they're OLD. The airlines keep them longer than anything.
I recently rode on a 757 and you could tell it was old. The "escape manual" was beginning to turn yellow and the tv's were all wacky whenever we hit a bit of tubrulance. - somnambulist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Upkeep is the fault of the airline, not Boeing.
- vermin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, for a year or two it looked like Airbus would be the dominant airline manufacturer, but they underestimated the demand in the mid-sized market and didn't field a contender to compete with the Dreamliner. Now Boeing looks to be in the driver's seat. That said, airlines are definately keen to keep both companies in business; more competition is better for them. Don't look for Airbus to collapse and die anytime soon.
- KenG6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Picture 3 is of a fan in a wind tunnel, not of an airplane jet engine.
Edit: Beat to it. - somnambulist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3747s are rarely used on transcontinental flights, except for positioning and to maximize aircraft utilization. You'll see United run a 747 on SFO-IAD or SFO-ORD, but it's relatively rare. 747s are almost always on long-haul, intercontinental flights (e.g., ORD-HKG, LAX-SYD, etc.)
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2WTF are people talking about with the second level not having seats in it and not having exits? Has no one ever been on a 747 before?
- mikev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd love to fly on one of this things.
Unfortunately the airline I fly on (Olympic) is dying...and I doubt one of these will be purchased... - igneon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@strictnein:
The A380 made it's first flight more than a year ago, and is expected to go into service in 2007. - tahim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2...but let's not forget the Airbus suites
http://digg.com/tech_news/Pictures_of_Airbus_suites - grafix52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2bubajoe, you're getting a little confused between the Skyloft and the upper deck. The bulge you see to the front of the aircraft is the characteristic second deck of the 74, which has been there since it's conception and which is fully capable of holding coach seats - the doors here are indeed used in an emergency. This area is NOT to be confused with the Skyloft. The Skyloft is to the rear of the plane towards the tail, orientated around the plane's midpoint between the end of the second floor bulge and the tailplane, shown as the yellow shaded bar in slides 6 & 8. As you can see this area has no doors whatsoever not least of all emergency egress doors.
For those who may coo that this is unsafe... it's not, as most likely the Skyloft will only be accomodating as many people as there were crew members in it when the area was used as a rest quarters, therefore there are not really many extra considerations with evacuation. - darkclarity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1840 would only be reality if one of the high profile "low cost" carriers moved into long haul, I don't think that will happen for a while.
- somnambulist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This most upderdeck seats I'm aware of is on certain JAL configs. They squeeze 66 economy seats into a space where most airlines put about 26-30 business class seats. What a lot of people don't realize about the 747 upperdeck is that the ceiling is so much lower. Headroom on the window seats has got to be really limited with 3-3 seating.
- elkos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Olympic is dying since.... I don't know i guess before my conception
we Greeks always forget beatyfull greek words like "euthanasia"
In other words if you can't revive it kill it... especialy Olympic Airways.Airlines.Air-whatever - darkclarity, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I hope so, I have been on a few trips on both Airbus and Boeing planes, and to be honest the Airbus models have felt way more advanced in comparison. In case you wondering, I'm not one of those people who like one company over another simply because of where they are based.
- penguinopus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, the initial discussions talked about the "up to 840 passengers" in the A380, but nearly all configurations purchased have been much less dense than that.
- nomore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Seriously?... you've never seen a Concorde?
- theoallardyce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That made me think, if people have a problem with flying 800 passengers in one plane or just cant fill the seats they could still use it as cargo space, so much food is being imported around the world that theres a pretty big market just transporting that.
- Sassanix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7what I want to see is planes running on a diffrent fuel source...
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The 747 is an ageing design that hasn't been selling well at all. "
Actually the new 747-8 (or 748 or whatever you want to call it) is selling well. Some of the customers who are still waiting for Airbus's new jet are ordering them instead. - FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/technology_jumbo_overhaul/img/10.jpg
not a good idea... - katabatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1On the upper deck issue, the 747-300 and 747-400 passenger (combination) versions DO have upper deck seating and emergency slides (I think the -300 can hold up to 100 economy-class seats). The slides were quite an engineering challenge, not the least because of their tendency to flap around in high-wind situations.
- quanta88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Looks like a worthy successor to the last 747 refit, the 747-400. The 747-400ER was one of the first planes to fly Toronto to Hong Kong nonstop. It is said that each of the 747-400's engines was more powerful than the entire set on a 707.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The new wing design is awesome .. looks like an eagle
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/technology_jumbo_overhaul/html/5.stm - biddessa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Awesome. Sweet, dugg it.
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