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- Gir53457, on 10/12/2007, -16/+83I've been using it for a few months now and I can tell you that aside from a few bugs with certain programs, there is no need to worry about upgrading even if you have the minimum requirements.
- Bleeblaow, on 10/12/2007, -8/+52Didn't know this article was about Macs. Did I miss something?
- dkm201, on 10/12/2007, -6/+45You totally changed my whole way of thinking when you wrote M$.
- Ninjin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43What I got from this article:
Programs work in Vista.
Some things maybe won't work.
It looks pretty.
Vista uses lots of memory while idling.
Not that astounding, in my opinion. I'd rather hear about how Vista eats babies and lights homes on fire. - dominasian, on 10/12/2007, -10/+48Summary- its good, pretty, efficient, and photoshop works
- smallwang, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39This isnt a omg Windows sux, screw M$ article that the Diggers usually bump to the top, so that in itself is amazing.
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33Is it just me or does this article kick in the wide open door to Captain Obvious' office?
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34I've just done a fresh installation of Vista on my home PC a few days ago. Despite a shaky start (bluescreened less than 30 mins after install due to some dodgy graphics drivers - my fault) everything seems to be running fine now.
It's just a pain in the arse shuffling the 300GB of data I've got off my Linux partitions to Windows ones.
Vista is good. Office 2007 is awesome. The next statement may get me modded down to oblivion, but I think Microsoft may have got closer to getting it right this time.* I'd also just like to state here that the new fonts in Windows look ***** amazing. I seriously have a boner right now from these fonts.
(* - DRM issues aside).
[/Long time Linux user, advocate, sysadmin] - im12env, on 10/12/2007, -15/+42Oh Here come the Mac Fan Boys.... If you want to be APPLE inc's. Bitch So be it, but dont Flam Vista untill you try it... :/
- Alegis, on 10/12/2007, -9/+36Been using it as well since early betas, and I'm a big fan of the RTM version.
People shouldn't wait for a service patch, vista is solid and drivers are great. I wouldn't go back to XP - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34I think he meant that you can upgrade from XP to vista (for example) without any worries, even if you only have the minimum requirements vista claims to need.
- zzyzx57, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31I have also been using Vista for a couple of months and I really like using it. I haven't had it crash yet and it seems pretty well put together. 99% of programs that worked on XP seem to work with it too, with the only exception I have found being Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Overall I am pleased, but I don't know if I would pay hundreds of dollars to own it.
- dgcrazykid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25i have had zero problem with my ipod, and Firefox works great.
- Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22here we have it. the paradox that microsoft faces
here we have someone bitching that all the legacy code in windows will cause security holes
scroll up a bit and you see people bitching that not 100% of their programs work in vista and it sucks for breaking them
the only solution microsoft has is to change the laws of physics, no matter what they do, people bitch about them (and no matter what apple does, people praise them (im getting so buried by the apple zealots for that one)) - jamend, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Visual Sudio 2005 SP1, SQL Server 2005 with the latest build of SP2, Virtual PC 2004 SP1, and the latest build of Virtual PC 2007 all run fine for me.
- Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I'm a Mac fanboi/Applebitch of the highest order, 21 years and counting. I own 6 Macs and will purchase a new one if Cupertino rolls out an 8+ Core Mac Pro.
That being said, I dugg this article up because it seemed like this guy gave a n honest and fair "1st impression" review of Vista without flaming, trolling or Winboisms.
I've been trying Vista (RC1 & RC2) for the last for months and I agree with this reviewer. Vista's very pretty. The "Are you sure" messages are annoying but, as more developers step up the software to really exploit what all Vista might be capable, it could be very formidable over the next year.
My main problem with Vista is the rumored NSA's involvement in Windows. I don't trust it.
The Star Wars Lego game ran fine on Vista. On the Mac mini.
He's right, though. Get Vista on a new machine. Don't put it on an old one. - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I couldn't give a rats ass about DRM, Windows Media Player 11 allows me to rip CD's in MP3 format. All my other files like Video and stuff work perfectly fine.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Nah, it doesn't eat them. Just bites off their heads. Don't you know anything?
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16"I'm not sure if I like the DRM and the constant security checks myself. "
If you don't like the DRM, you just don't use DRM protected media. It's not like it will affect you otherwise. If you're talking about, say, HDCP and reduced quality HD-DVD output on non-compliant monitors, well, surely Windows XP, OS X, or Ubuntu isn't better alternatives as for that? If you're unlucky, such content will not even be supported in reduced quality, and these OS'es definitely don't hack your video in the background to somehow avoid the DRM and play in full quality.
I'll personally take an OS that supports DRM than not anyday. In that case, if I have some brain damage (or if a godlike movie is released where I wish to support the movie company) and start using DRM content in the future, I'll at least be able to play it. If not, I won't even have a choice. - PayneX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Not to be one of those "it worked for me so it must work for you" people....but GTA:SA works for me in vista.
- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12No kidding. This was an amazingly weak blog post...even for a blog post.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Been using Vista RTM since it was available on MSDN. Pre RTM's were useless to me, couldn't even install properly because of my hardware. The RTM is night and day different. Install without a hitch, in about 35 minutes. Installation was simple. Asked about 5 questions and pick which drive, walked away and came back to find the login screen waiting for me.
Vmware workstation 5, though it says it won't work, installed and works fine. Visual Studio 2005 sp1, SQL2005Express works fine, Quicken 2006, Firefox, AVG, Office 2003, DVDShrink all work flawlessly. The only thing I had trouble with was Battlefield 1942's punkbuster client. I had to manually update it the first time and the new version works fine with Vista RTM.
Speed wise, it's faster than XP in some area's and a little clunky in others, but overall I am impressed, considering that my workstation doesn't meet the Vista minimum requirements for processor or video, and I am running the default Aero theme. Visually, I am not "crazy" about the Aero theme, but the font's etc. are killer imo.
I like some of the new multimedia features such as the new photo gallery, Dvd maker, etc. thought 3rd party apps will most likely be better.
Networking is much easier than XP, and though I've read some people are having problems with drive mappings, I am having absolutely no issues mapping to my media pc or my wife's workstation.
File and share permissions are a breeze and though I have everything locked down, and I am running as a normal user, the prompts for escalated privileges are not that intrusive or I've gotten used to it. If you use Ubuntu, it's about the same as being prompted for sudo whenever you try to do something at the "system" level. I actually like it, but I don't know if the typical "end user" will.
The OS itself has been 100% rock solid for me, and I have only been able to crash it by trying to install applications I know wouldn't work, and even then the whole OS was never brought to it's knees. I'm pretty impressed so far.
Is it worth upgrading from XP? Tough call, depends I guess it depends on how "secure" it actually ends up being in the longer run. Is it better than XP? IMHO yes it is, but saying that, If I didn't have MSDN, I'd wait till I bought a new PC that came with it, or built a new one and purchased an OEM version at hopefully a discounted price. - j_h_o, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Given the appropriate video drivers (and video card hardware) games aren't a serious issue, from what I've seen.
Visual Studio 2005's compatibility issues have been due to UAC - and primarily with the fact that you're not logged in as a local administrator. This is a workaround until the SP is released.
The latest CTP/betas of SQL 2005 SP2 are fine under Vista.
Virtual PC 2004 SP1 and 2007 work fine. - Promantarius, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Microsoft could have worked on it for years longer and there would still be programs that didn't work on it and people would still be writing about them. I wouldn't say it's perfect, or that it's a great upgrade, but you might notice not a lot of people are writing about the applications it does work with, just those that it doesn't. I know, it's a fan boy law to write about all the negative aspects of the OS you don't like for whichever reasons you have, but it's getting silly. A few applications not working through a large alteration of the OS (on the back end at least) isn't that big of a deal. They'll work eventually.
- IloveGOD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I agree. Kinda like saying that "the new Mazda is excellent - been using it for a month and it needed no repairs, fueling up worked (!), and I could even wash it without the paint coming off - oh, and it smells nice and new on the inside, everything shiny..."
Being an IT guy, I would like to know how much of the stuff users call me to solve for them this OS prevents (or makes easier to solve). Does it do anything significant that XP (or 98SE) doesn't? (hmmmm, did XP do anything significant that 98 SE didn't ?)
I remind you all that the average user runs XP for a 6-18 months, not 1, before hitting the light-blue "memory dump because of a driver blowing up" / "can't find ntldr" / "your registry just got flushed down the toilet" / "hi, i'm your newly installed malware, and i took advantage of a new 'feature' in this OS that no one yet know about to get in. Your PC will shut down in 60...59...58" (remember the messenger service, activeX, msblaster and what not?).
I would like to know how Vista behaves when you want to re-install *just* the OS, and not kill your own files, settings, etc. What does the system restore *not* restore this time? (try getting your registry hives back in XP's system restore...) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If you actually want to use your computer for anything multimedia in the near future, you will have to deal with drm in some form or another. Sorry, but that's just how it's going right now. Whether it's Apple, MS,or someone else. If you want to be locked out of HD content etc. then use Linux or wait for it to be cracked but either way, you're experience will be less, or you will be doing it illegally. It's sucks, but until content providers change their tune (the consumer isn't having much affect on them right now) the OS makers are going to comply so that they are not locked out. That's why OS X and Vista are DRM laden.
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9As a software developer for Windows, I can say that Vista isn't the end of the line for Windows OS'es, but a beginning. I equate Vista to XP as Windows 95 was to Win3.11.
Cosmetically it is very different from XP for the most part, and so its the one thing people key off of when talking about Vista. Those naysayers say "Ohh, all they did was make the UI transparent" and then feel safe and secure in their bias against Microsoft products. Those that hate Windows continue to hate it because, even after never using Vista, they have some form of validity that their anti-microsoft statements about UI that looks like Apple's OSX on crack. But its the same trite and unoriginal commentary that has been said over and over again for every Windows product release since people started bitching online.
From a programmer's perspective, Vista offers lots of new and exciting features, as well as finally introducing a consolidated API that is uniform and robust. While not dead yet, the idea of writing an application using a mix of Win32, MFC, ATL, COM, and a slew of other half-assed implemented API's is over. .Net 3.0 consolidates all these features and a heck of a lot more into a central API. Vista's new presentation foundation offers a dramatically new way to design applications, allowing graphics artists to design the app of their dreams and programmers the ability to easily connect the front end to the back end code. While I am sure initially we will see a slew of overwrought application UI's with sliding this and fading in and out that, eventually these tools will lead to innovations that no other OS can offer yet, not in an easy to use API. Apple might offer Core Graphics an Core Animation tools, but ever write an Application using Objective-C?
So many people are questioning the need for Vista now. I don't see Vista as an upgrade for computers 2 years old, I see it as the necessary OS to drive PC innovation forward 2 years from now. I don't recommend anybody upgrading to Vista unless their new computer either comes with an express upgrade, or they have access to Vista through channles like MSDN subscriptions. If your new computer comes with Vista enjoy it. It might not be the most secue OS out their, but it is certainly a heck of a lot more secure then XP and Microsoft will lock down any problems a lot quicker on VIsta then on XP.
Anyways, the naysayers having never used Vista are all warmongering and yelling out OS alternatives like they have Turrets syndrome, unable to prevent themselves from speaking before they think. If you have had a chance to objectively use Vista, you will find it both a decent and welcome upgrade to XP, if your a programmer for Windows applications, you should be seriously looking at .Net 3.0 and the power it can add to your applications. But, I am sure 3 years from now the biggest thing people will bitch about is why its taking Microsoft so long to develop their next OS, because they just want to put a hate on something new. - whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8HA!
You think troubleshooting a Microsoft product is hard, try troubleshooting a Linux problem.
When something goes wrong with Linux, there is no predictable way to fix it, and with the high learning curve and no one wanting to do anything about it, imagine reading paragraphs of scripts to a lady over the phone.
How long do will that last before she says "I'm going back to Windows".
Well, it's happened to me, when i tried to get the Snohomish/island school district to go Linux for "cost reasons".
It was a disaster.
Windows may have it's problems, but Linux is no better, No, It's much worse. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Better take a seat, then.
- waffledad, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14sorry, this doesn't inspire me to spend my hard earned money on Vista when XP is running quite fine for me. Besides, when I upgrade, it will probably go with Mac.
- cody50, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9apart from lighting your house on fire, I heard that Vista siphons the gas out of your car and sleeps with your wife. well, in the enterprise edition anyway.
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I bought a Sony laptop with XP Pro in December so I'm just waiting for Sony to ship me my FREE Vista Business copy in the next few weeks. You can't complain with a FREE upgrade now can you? Besides if the release is anything like the betas then I'm looking forward to it.
FYI...I believe most OEMs are offering a free Vista upgrade for any PC/laptops purchased since last Oct/Nov if you aren't aware. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Those High-Def DRM things are requirements of the standards for the high-def content. There is no way to get around not implementing them. Apple is going to have to do it too.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"I've been using it for a few months now and I can tell you that aside from a few bugs with certain programs, there is no need to worry about upgrading even if you have the minimum requirements."
Yes, the only reason I can really see if you're unfortunate enough to not have drivers developed for your hardware. That's by far the greatest caution I think one should take with Vista, and it can be well used time to do some investigation here first, just like you may do with certain Linux installs.
Hardware requirement-wise, there seem to be little to worry about, and the excessive req's put on Vista seem to have largely been blown out of proportion (as usual with Windows operating systems), and 1 GB is my minimum recommendation both for Vista and XP. Heck, include a stock Ubuntu install there too. It often makes things just so much smoother, and you'll have the memory for reasonably advanced applications. And if you bought your graphics card the last 4-5 years (that is, at about the time you bought XP), it's also likely to run even the best mode of Aero graphics as well. - MrLunar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I agree with you wholeheartedly. IE7 looks and works so great in Vista, I haven't even wanted to switch to Firefox yet (Firefox not look so good in Vista by comparison). I haven't got round to installing Office 2007 but I ran the beta in XP and I know how good it is. The only downer is my College still runs the previous Office, obviously, so you lose some of the effects when you have to open documents from there.
My major problems with Vista seem to stem around Vista x64. Running x86 is a breeze and encounters no problems, but x64 just seems a little, i dunno, 'buggy'. Maybe it's just my hardware. - willgill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"From a Windows perspective I'd say 98SE and XP were the two best Windows so far"
Are you 85? In a cave? High? I started to write a comprehensive list of Vista improvements over 98SE but it's like comparing a Chrysler 300C to my son's Lil' Red Wagon. - topnotchnet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Pentium 4, 2.8ghz, 1 gb memory, no video card, built about 3.5 years ago
using vista32 for about 1 month
normal process' on start up with xp 18-20, with vista 35-37
(of course currently dont know which ones are needed and can be turned off)
programs that worked without any problems
anydvd, clone dvd, dvd shrink, dvd decryptor, utorrent, office 2007, photoshop, paint.net, dreamweaver, contribute, iso buster, firefox, imgburn, foobar, winavi
programs i had problems with
autogk would force vista to reboot halfway thru either a memory issue or video card
it did tell me to turn down the acceleration on video card when i clicked yes to "search for solutions"
which is another new feature that should help a lot of folks
nero was a pain to install (but when isnt it) and even after it did install it would recognize dvds and burn them but the cd burning was not recognized, vista/nero says the new version is compatible but i dont agree
vista def needs memory 1.5-2gb anything les i wouldnt bother till you upgrade
this is an old system so i wouldnt upgrade unless you have a newer system (dual core or core 2)
as far as usability, you def wont want to go back to xp (unfortunately i had too. it would reboot at least once a day,
and i need my autogk and nero) but ive been waiting to buy a new pc when it actually ships so come feb i will be upgrading to a new system, i really dont know why anyone would buy a new system this month
its a lot faster, the way programs are listed in the start bar will be alot easier for people to use, the search is amazingly fast, and 10xs prettier than xp, but since i didnt have a video card really wasnt able to fully see all the eye candy,
my 2 - wafflez, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10lol no opengl =(....well anyways, i installed on a p4ht 3.2ghz with 512 ram and 256 vid ram from a radeon 9800 pro...no lag issues or bugs whatsoever. and that's a 2 year old computer. THEN, i installed on a one year old laptop with equal/better specs and it lagged like hell....major heating issues so i wouldn't suggest installing on a laptop...at this point, anyone into games should wait for opengl support, microsoft is trying too hard to push the directx10.
oh, and also, certain drivers like my creative soundblaster 24bit Live! PRETEND to work, and then you find out that the microphone part doesn't work 0_0.....at this point, it's just an issue of drivers, but i love the os. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Visual Studio 2005 with the Vista SP1 patches works fine for me. SQL Server 2005 SP1 also works fine for me.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"just be sure to have an internet connection before you attach your Zune to that Vista computer."
Do you guys ever give up? They relaesed the app and it didn't work with their unreleased, new OS. Months before the OS is released they make an update to the Zune software and everything works fine and you guys still bitch because you need to download the software. - avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Hmmm I might sound like a bit of a downer but it besides a few apps that were able to run the piece was a bit short of 'user experience'
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Or you could just use xp/2k...
Those seem to work great. - lacronicus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3really. two steps forward and one step back is still a step forward. at least i can play blu ray and hddvd. if i remember correctly, anything that does not have this support wont play them at all, so get over it. at least you can play it. i personally wont buy either format for a while, so it doesnt beother me, and i fail to see why anyone else would want to either. you have a 50% chance of picking the right format, otherwise your out a few hundred bucks. not all that great. so just wait a while. vista needs this to play either format, and it doesnt even affect the os when your not playing a movie. ignorance!!
- Gir53457, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Most people buy a Dell or HP computer, and any of those recent enough to be able to run Vista already have the drivers made for them. Chances are, the only upgrade that they did to change the hardware was taking it to a computer shop for more RAM or a bigger hard drive. The people who will have problems are white box builders using obscure hardware,
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5That article read like some grade-eighters essay.
'It runs fantastic!" - padfoot, on 10/12/2007, -21/+24Have tried it.. And I have been using all the same features in OS X for longer.. Sure Vista is nice but, oh wait, I don't want to start a war. I'm just gonna leave it at this:
I have tried both, and I prefer OS X. - TechCF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, I'm in Vista x64 (RTM of Retail Norwegian version) - And I'm not very happy about driver and software support from third parties. I only have stereo out, even with two surround capable sound cards. Even the nForce4 drivers on the Vista DVD is crippled. Neither of my two webcams work. iTunes kinda work, but slow (even though my machine has a rating of 5.0, 5.9, 5.9, 5.8, 5.9).
BUT, I will not go back to XP :) Funny thing is that just now the hardware support is just as good in Ubuntu AMD64 as in Vista x64 :D - lacronicus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3will someone please release a benchmark showing that vista runs fine on decent specs and non integrated gfx. wait, whats that you say? they already have?
STFU MS haters. you and your tin foil hats. and you say windows users are ignorant - mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Love it - complaining that pirating Vista is annoying. What a ***** loser...stop trying to be a freeloader and pay for ***** you use. Dugg down.
- Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6silverj's wrong. You won't lose anything with a Mac. Plus, you can run Vista on a Mac. Best of both worlds or something...
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