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- clubmasta2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42I think it's funnier when we hear about people like the Warner guy say "Ya, my kids probably download things illegally" and yet they try to release a report like this to make us feel bad. If anything, this just proves to them that they need to market a product to that 85% to make them want to download movies legally. You're not going to stop us from downloading movies, why not make it simple and sellable? Even if you capture half of that 85% of illegally downloader people that's more money in your pocket then before. I'm not supporting illegally downloading, it's wrong...but you're not going to make them stop by telling them over it's wrong. You're going to have to bit the bullet, spend some time and money into making downloading movies easy, reliable and fast. I mean if illegal downloading so easy a caveman could do it then you need to make legally downloading so easy an idiot can do it.
- kirkio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38Lets See...
Download Illegally:
-Free
-Up to 1080p resolution
-Ultimate Portability (Computer to computer, PocketPC, iPod, Zune, Zen)
Download Legally:
-Overpriced ($2.00 for a 3 minute music video, $10 for a full-length film to keep, $3-6 to rent)
-Often Less than VGA resolution (Ie. iTunes, with the notable exception of Xbox 360 HD Movies)
-No/Highly Limited Portability due to DRM and proprietary licensing
It's no wonder why people pirate. The movie/television/music execs need to wisen up and start giving people what they want. If they made availible for charge videos that were better than what people pirated, they would be able to make significant profits.... then again, you could just go and sue everyone.
We must keep in mind, what iTunes and other services have done for music downloading is remarkable. People now pay for music of subpar quality (128 kbs) when they could download at 192+ and they also pay for it in spite of DRM restrictions. Just think of how many songs would be sold if they were more reasonably priced, better quality, and DRM-less. Once the industry starts selling people what they want, then some real business will happen. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34I chose Bit Torrent for moral reasons. DRM is bad.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+42 @borninda818
dugg down for saying that copying is stealing - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -24/+44It's so easy, a cave man could do it.
But no joke, The people that do download videos and music share their knowledge with family and friends and they start too. An das people become more computer literate they will see just how easy it is to get free ***** online and will join the community.
And about half of the people that oppose it because they think it is stealing (which it is) usually get over it....my parents, who used to hate me for getting free ***** online, now make orders for movies they want to see.
Long Live P2P
Viva Bittorrent - trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Those tubes have legal content?
Learn something new every day. - Geekbeard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19"You should choose the legal way for moral reasons"
***** morality, I'm a nihilist! :D - floob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11You say "surpass" as if legal video downloads _ever_ outnumbered the illegal alternatives.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Heres what it boils down too, give me the things I want:
Good resolution, no DRM, and let me do with it as I please and I will pay YOU the price you want (with in reason).
They don't want to play fair then neither will I. - renegadeafk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@clubmasta, i personally consider making someone pay for a movie with crappy resolution, DRM, and slow download speed immoral
- jonhohle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8are there any prior rulings which indicate whether downloading broadcast television shows is legal (or illegal)? Just because you can buy something, doesn't mean there aren't legal, free ways of obtaining it.
- thunderer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Well, some shows just don't care how you get it for free.
Case in point: The Chaser's War on Everything
“Well, I ’m afraid that’s about all we have time for tonight, but remember you can now download the entire show on Podcast - simply go to abc.net.au/chaser and click on the video podcast section. Or just do what you’ve been doing all year and pirate it on Bittorrent. Have yourself a great weekend, we’ll catch you next week.” - insomniac8400, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9It's got to be a lot higher than 5 to 1. But then again that statistic was probably made up.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9no they don't
- Paktu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Only 5? This must include free viral clips (Star Wars Kid, Numa Numa, etc.) then. There's no way otherwise.
- mraustin1337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This makes it looks like, "Oh man, movie execs are getting a lot stolen from them" but when you read this:
"...8 percent of all U.S. households (6 million) illegally downloaded at least 1 copyrighted video from a P2P network in the past 3 months.."
6 million homes. They are losing very little money. That means a large percentage are not downloading movies most people are just buying DVDs still. When it says something like 50 percent of US Households illegally downloaded a couple movies in the last 3 months, then they might have something to worry about. Unfortunately big fat movie companies are not trying to make it easier for the customer, they are trying to make it more illegal for people to do it the easy way. They are to stupid to see if you give people a GOOD option, most people will choose the legal option.
Except me. Zing! - Ystig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7So employing the movie/television industry logic that every download of a video constitutes a direct financial lost to the industry equal in value to the suggested retail price of the material downloaded, the industry must be taking losses five times its profits, and floundering in profound, irremediable bankrupty, right?
Right? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's considerably easier to download something illegally than buying it. No wonder people are fed up.
- mrmcbastard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Honestly, when & where will the MPAA's bullsh*t stop?"
When the DMCA is torn to shreds like the wastepaper it is. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow, that show hasn't been canceled yet?
- TheDude77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4In a related story toast is now easy to make.
- tech10171968, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sure it's been said before but it still bears repeating: the motion picture and music industries are threatened by P2P filesharing because their business models are still stuck in the dinosaur age, while the rest of the world has moved into the 21st century. The denizens of the RIAA/MPAA refuse to adapt to a changing economic and social enviroment, and it seems that ass-raping artists and consumers is the only way they know how to thrive. They remain stubborn at their own peril.
Oh yeah, the fact that they insist on charging premium prices for subpar material isn't helping, either. I'm not saying it's right, but some of these movies get more viewers via bittorrent than from the box office; they're not so good that you'd pay $10 for a ticket, but you could probably tolerate them if they were considerably less. I don't mind shelling out $10 to see a movie - I just wish that Hollywood would occasionally produce a movie worthy of it. - jaknet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Also the other advantage as we all know is you get Joe public who has paid for his (over priced) copy of the latest blockbuster whatever, settles down and clicks play to watch and then get 5-15 minutes of un-skip able garbage about how pirating is the same a stealing a car or whatever the latest thing is... then loads of adverts for up-coming films he probably at this point does not give a damn about... one broken remote from trying to skip all this crap that is forced down his throat..... Then he sees a "pirated" copy of the next blockbuster film and this is out before the legal copy as good quality (if not better) and he is able to click play and ACTUALLY watch the film straight away.... and RIAA and all the rest wonder why pirating films happens....
- arkmtech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This evidence is biased and unfairly presented...
Does simply requesting packets of a file constitute as an entire "illegal download"? Where are the statistics for # of downloads that translate into DVD sales? What percentage of those downloading have paid to see the movie in theaters? Or for older movies, what percentage has already have purchased the VHS or DVD?
For downloads that translate into a DVD sale, what is the value of P2P networks as a marketing campaign? And since that marketing is given to the MPAA for free, shouldn't the MPAA be taxed on the value of that marketing, or be required to pay royalties?
The point here is that the MPAA is still making money, despite all illegal downloading. Perhaps the only change is that a few greedy execs weren't able to line their pockets in gold for FY06. Honestly, when & where will the MPAA's bullsh*t stop? - Wisgary, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4A year or two ago, illegal downloads outnumbered legal ones infinity to one. That's because legal video download is just now becoming mainstream. 5 to 1 is pretty good, considering.
- ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Those clips infringe copyright, actually.
- fishface, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like how the title says that the legal options are the 'alternative'. If the legal options are supposed to be the main way, the illegal ones are the alternative.
- heaintheavy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is like allofmp3.com. There is a big demand for DRM-free music that doesn't cost the same as a "brick and mortar" CD. Why should I pay the same amount for something that needs to be manufactured, stored and shipped as something I download? The server storage and bandwidth will pay for itself if the right price point is reached.
People want to pay for stuff. But at the same time, a whole generation of people who think they are entitled to content is being created right now.
The "old guard" is still in charge. It will be a slow process because "they" are still trying to hold onto power. - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3>You should choose the legal way for moral reasons.
It depends. Do you believe that respect should be earned or freely given? If you believe it should be earned then the copyright holders haven't earned the respect of those committing copyright infringement. - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3...and so the people cast aside the shackles and bring down the corporate machine, throw it back and make it topple into the pyres of freedom, creativity and the future. The time for the new has arrives, let burn the old and stale and predictable.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If studios would release quality products then people would not be more inclined to illegally download videos to save themselves money. Going to the theater isn't exactly cheap these days, and with the general ***** of most releases it only makes sense that people move to other alternatives to get their media.
- tech10171968, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Jist, the answer to your problem is called 'Port Forwarding'. Make sure you have a particular port open in your router, then ensure that your torrent client is accessing that same port. Just Google for more info.
- thestorey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry :D i'll tone it down....
- Jiffylush, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That to me sounds like a huge success for Apple and iTunes, because I don't know anyone who buys shows and I know plenty of people who don't.
It does need to be easier and the quality needs to be better, maybe bittorrent will eventually pressure the companies into giving the consumer a better product than what is 'freely' available. Sort of like with Napster, if it wasn't for napster I don't think there would be an iTunes (at least as we know it) today. - 022A, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1“Even though right now the majority of downloaded video content is adult-film content, the amount of intellectual property stolen from mainstream movie studios, networks, and record labels will continue to rise, unless strong and sustained action is taken to prevent piracy,” he says.
That's laughable.
I wonder what this all *really* means to the industry. If the DVD sales dropped drastically, say by 15% across the board would "The Industry" (TI) start going under? Would it be due to things that couldn't be resolved by better business practices? Is it me or does TI always come off like a gold-digging ex?
I feel like the complaints of lost profits and whatnot aren't far off from a spouse who wants 15K/month in alimony to "maintain the lifestyle they're accustomed to".
If DVD sales fell through the floor and the average movie being produced today were no longer profitable is that a problem that couldn't be resolved by TI changing it's practices (movies sold on marketing/star power)?
I doubt it.
TI should start thinking about real alternatives, not expensive ways to fight a battle they can't possibly win. - Kalibr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, after people come out with articles like these and they get digged to the front page. It just draws more attention from the people who want it stopped.
- Burritovision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how do they know which transfers are illegal and which are legal?
this is what the lawsuits have tripped over. I doubt a 'statistician' could find this answer. did someone buy this study? who funded it? - obeseotron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This news is absolutely shocking to me. I can't possibly believe that 1 in 6 videos online is legally purchased, it's got to be way lower than that. It's not uncommon to see tens of thousands of people on a single torrent simultaneously. That's one torrent at one time. Unless itunes is really selling hundreds of thousands of copies of Lost (just an example) every week, I don't think it even approaches the level of illegal downloading.
Like a lot of people, I wouldn't ever even consider buying a show or song online. I will not be locked into one hardware brand, deal with expiring licenses, low quality, slow speeds, and most importantly, the inability to move the file over a network or to a new device or medium. The only method of purchase I would even consider is real physical cds and dvds that I could rip into whatever format I chose and watch/listen to on anything I chose. - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Bah desperate housewives, another big media propaganda piece lying about that YOU can make it in the american Kapizalist dream.
I open the floodgates of my rectal sphincter on the latest collector's edition leatherbound DVD box and send this filth into the underworld where it belongs. - dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I want to live in a world where I don't want to stick my finger to creative people, artists, producers and companies. Now I do. Now the balance is lost and the people are exploited and the media used for propaganda and to keep an empire of evil and differences alive.
Once the empire goes and equality and fairness and a bright future returns, the people will feel the need to be loyal again - to them. We will be united again, once we don't feel ***** over any more.
But THEY won't hear these words. They will remain bitter, with accusing stares, pointing fingers and persist to send their pinkertons and lawyers and goons and stormtroopers at their people.
THEY will fail. - Jist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just downloaded azureus... Anyone use that? Because I'm getting some NAT Error when it is testing my ports. I've never used any bit torrent clients before and I dont know how to change my ports. I'm new at this. Anyone still in a giving mood and willing to help out?
- silentdud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Illegal, Legal, what's the difference? If people do not respect a law or see it as a norm people will not follow it. End of story.
- 022A, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Like a lot of people, I wouldn't ever even consider buying a show or song online. I will not be locked into one hardware brand, deal with expiring licenses, low quality, slow speeds, and most importantly, the inability to move the file over a network or to a new device or medium. The only method of purchase I would even consider is real physical cds and dvds that I could rip into whatever format I chose and watch/listen to on anything I chose."
I'll consider being locked in and restricted but I won't pay anywhere near what they're charging and when I say pay, that's not just a question of money from my pocket by time and ease of use as well.
For example, I'll consider paying $4 to watch a newly released movie via Comcast VOD because it's high quality *instant* gratification. In many circumstances, that would be preferable to waiting a few hours for a completely free copy.
On the other hand, I would pay 4 cent to download a DRM'd copy of the same video if it took just as long as pulling same off of BT. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They really do need to offer higher quality videos before legal downloads will take off. Make the special features a separate, optional download and you could get most movies down to the size of one single-layer DVD, say about 4GB. You don't even need to give people an option for full screen, just go wide and the naysayers be damned.
4GB is not too big to download. Torrents for entire TV shows such as Seinfeld, South Park, The Simpsons, etc are posted to trackers all over and they go well over 30GB in size. Bring on the DVD downloads, and let the HD downloads follow. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3did Captain Obvious submit this story??
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The legal alternatives suck balls.
The industry needs to get their ***** together or ***** off. - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1jaknet:
Exactly. I've actually burned copies of movies I purchased just to strip off the 20 minutes of previews and ads before I'm allowed to play the movie. On my newest computer, its almost as fast to copy the movie to a new dvd than it is to watch the previews (disney is really bad about it). I miss the old days where you put in the dvd and the menu came up or the movie immediately began playing. - CatalystGhost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I find it funny how they've given us this statistic to show us how bad it is... and most people on here are saying that it seems really low. Ah well, long live piracy!
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The technology to deliver high quality video on the internet hasn't arrived yet.
Piracy plays a huge role in driving the development of this technology.
Why else would average people need a broadband connection?
Excluding piracy, the reasons list runs thin for most people.
I will also add that there would be no iTunes store today, if Napster never happened. - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OR they could take the RIAA route and just stop when they've sued all their customers into financial ruin and nobody can afford to pay for their product anymore.
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