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- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+58Back in the day, when you missed an episode, you went to the office and asked your coworker who always records 24 on VHS every week if you could borrow his copy. He'd always be glad to share.
Honestly, things haven't changed much. Now, if you miss an episode, you get it from a 'friend' on bittorrent. - Blah_Blah_Blah, on 10/12/2007, -5/+50@piper999
Bad analogy. Really. - uncle_dad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Was it 'stealing' television shows when I asked a friend if he taped it?? THAT WAS FAIR USE. What is the difference?? There are lots of friends now?? Downloading an already aired program is NOT stealing, it is FAIR USE!
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30They aren't DRMing the HDTV over the air either, and I sure the hell can DVR that legally according to the law the way it's written today. I do, I will, and no one can stop me.
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20"Piracy is the reason we have draconian DRM technologies. If freeloading hippies would stop ripping everyone off, we wouldn't be dealing with all the content protection crap we're currently dealing with. Never underestimate the hypocrisy of a dishonest mindset proclaiming it does something out of honest ideals."
Never underestimate the greed of billion dollar corporations. When they change their ways, I'll change mine. - kuya, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26Smallville's a nice show, but it's extremely annoying. Clark and Lana do the same dance over and over.
Clark: Lana, I have something to tell you.
Lana: What is it Clark? Do you love me?
Clark: Maybe. I don't know. I'm confused. Father, help!
Reminiscing on Kristin Kreuk's role in Road Trip... "Scotty doesn't know!" - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18things HAVE changed actually. now you get sued or fined by companies who think "sharing" is wrong.
i've enjoyed the idea of the cable providers hosting the content server side and allowing us to watch it at our leasure. On-Demand provides a great service, when I miss something like Sopranos and my DVR was busy recording two other things or simply did not work that day I just have to wait a couple days for it to appear On-Demand. However, this needs to be faster and provide more. HBO, Showtime, ABC, etc, etc should open their entire library of movies to us and allow cable providers or services to host all of their content for instant retrieval. I would gladly pay for this services and put all my DVDs in the trash. That is, of course, if they provided high quality - which currently On-Demand does, just not HD. Eventually if it was adopted they would. It would be great to be done with the format wars and DRM issues, just have streaming content from the providers. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23I steal babies because I have to... without babies for consumption, I die.
- sc00ter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I download TV because I always know that I will have it. I miss a show because I'm outside doing something, then I can just watch it whenever I get back. I think that the IPTV movement needs advertisements for it to work, but it will take time for the industry to adjust.
- serpentor, on 10/12/2007, -14/+27Ahh I love digg's pro-piracy slant, where else can you get your tech news and keep up to date on the great world of piracy? :)
How's the xbox360 piracy coming along? I haven't seen a digg about that lately.. - ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -14/+27Should i mod this "old news" because i have been doing this for years?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16That's what happens if you are posting too fast... in my opinion it's too sensitive, as most of us can think and type fairly quickly to multiple posts. Plus I think it gets reset every time you post too soon. It sucks.
- BumbyKnuckles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Look man this is getting to be ridicolous that you cant download a tv show that is free to all who can pull it out the sky. It just makes no sense at all that you have to pay for something that is free to anyone with a pair of rabbit ears and a tv. So whats next will they stop offering tv shows over the air and make everyone pay for cable??? We have to put a stop to this bull or the next thing you know they will be trying to make you pay for watching, ummm lets see, a solar eclipse!!!
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I agree completely, but I think the techinicallity is that distribution (hosting) and copying (downloading) is illegal... with the current legal system, fair use is whatever suits those with money & power.
- LCmidas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13My parents subscribe to Showtime, but I'm away at college. Should I have them MAIL me the dang show that I want to watch but can't, as the school doesn't even let you have the option to subscribe to the premium channels??? No, I am hopping on the torrent bandwagon, getting my show, and then deleting it after viewing. I am not about to inconvenience my parents and myself by doing otherwise. That it's illegal is just lame, as I should have a right to see a show that my household has paid for (Showtime is not even funded by ads!).
- Drood, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13It's not stealing, as you're not depriving anyone of the show. Stealing is when I take your car. You wouldn't call it stealing if I make an exact duplicate of your car without touching yours would you... It's copyright violation AT BEST. Just because the RIAA, MPAA etc... say it's something, doesn't make it's true. YOU'RE ALL LESBIANS! Just because I said it, doesn't make it true now, does it... The media are just as guilty, perpetuating the myth that it's "stealing", but nobody bats an eyelid if I tape a show for someone and give them the tape. But if I use Bit Torrent to the same end, suddenly I'm in league with Satan.
And technically, if it's off a channel you pay money for, it ain't stealing at all, because you're already paying for the channel. - BBX25, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16"Having to" and "Wanting to" are two completely different things.
- Ascendant, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I hear you- I download TV shows too, and they're always for cable channels I already receive.
You know what they should do- you know how Napster gives you unlimited songs for $15 or whatever?
They should have something like that, except they don't have any downloading capability, or anything.
Basically, you get the shows and songs however you get them, and you just pay some company to have it be legal.
I don't need some company's proprietary downloader hanging around in my taskbar to get my media. I know where to get it myself. All I want the suits to do is take my money to have what I'm already doing be legit. - quadvods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@FrostyFire: How about you read the article.. you will see that he does have a PVR his provider gave him, but it doesn't work properly.
- GraysDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I can't get the WB on cable in my area so I went to Direct TV which was fine till the dumb @$$ local channel availability law went into effect meaning I had to watch the crappy local channels instead of picking an affiliate. Oh and since my local cable doesn't carry wb I don't get that anymore either.
I must have my smallville I'll even happily watch the commercials (well I'll happily go get snacks when they come on) I still buy each DVD box set, but I need it when it airs. What else can a guy do? - Protoss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8No...he is saying, I missed the latest episode of 24/LOST, etc and I pay my cable bill to watch these shows, so why not download them? I AM PAYING FOR IT! That is the arguement I use with most people who think its wrong.
- ledavee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Do the ends justify the means if I download a show and then buy it on DVD? I would never have bought Lost or Battlestar Galactica if I hadn't downloaded and watched them first.
I can't watch shows on TV -- I hate commercials way too much, and watching episodes back to back on DVD is so much better. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I wouldn't call it stealing..........if Cable subscribers don't want to give me a sense of ownership of my own entertainment then the hell with them. Why am i paying $60/month for?
Already Ditched My TV- IPTV All The Way Baby - lukeydukey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What you don't realize is you notice out of the millions of people who "illegally" download are not brought into a legal lawsuit. They are always filed as civil suits. No jury. No fair representation. Just some strongarm tactics to force people to buy the crappy stuff we call "entertainment" today. Few if any have actually been to court. Most settle. Why do you ask? Try paying the legal fees in one sitting. You notice those anti-piracy FBI warnings on dvd's and such? Ever wonder why it's always a letter from the RIAA/MPAA law offices? Ever wonder why it's never the FBI busting down your door and taking your stuff? It's because the person allegedly downloading, is not gaining a profit. No i'm not saying stealing is right.
Ever notice how the copyright system went from 7 years to 70 years of protection? It restricts creativity. Even when the artist is dead, some fat whining rich arse mother is rehashing his stuff and repackaging it because "THEY" own the copyright "THEY" own the artist's work. They use the excuse that it's "Work for Hire". Bull. BTW, it's not downloading they say it's illegal. It's sharing. (More PR bull crap.)
Same as the campaign they ran when the cassette recorders & VCR's came out. They said that Tape Recording is killing the Music /Movie industry... and it's ILLEGAL. Whether you realize it or not, they're trying to control what we can listen to, what we can watch, and our mindset. They're afraid that if we get smart, and find better music or movies than the crap put out today, they lost their business. One message to them: It's not piracy killing the RIAA/MPAA. It's yourself. You had an opportunity to adapt, but you didn't. You chose to ignore your customer's complaints that the prices were too ridiculous. You deserve to lose every penny. - jtibble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Hey, I get Numb3rs only when I miss the show. Loyal fans should not be scolded nor reprimanded for showing an interest!!!!
WHO AGREES!? - spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+72 dollars is a ridiculous amount of money to watch a show that I'm never going to watch again, though. ABC has got it figured out. Free TV, but you have to watch the ads. I'm totally down with that.
- vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Don't forget the whole argument about being forced to use a particular cable provider because of geography.
I guess I support cable deregulation. - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The train analogy is irrelevant - technology does not make it possible to make your train come back for you without inconveniencing the passengers or the railroad the way you can do with TV. It costs the TV station nothing for you to download the show you've already paid for on your cable bill.
- ThomasLeeIV, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10^^ [Edit] -- Eurotrip, not Road Trip
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"It does not take a genius to work out that shows are funded mostly through advertising - take the adverts out of the equation and you don't get any more shows"
Uh oh. I guess all those people who pre-record shows on their Tivos/VCRs/PCs/whatever and fastforward through the commercials are going to destroy television as we know it :( - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No No, you don't seem to comprehend 'FREE vs $30 dollars DVDs'
- Akyan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't know about any US channels but the BBC in the UK is going to be offering a service allowing people to download and watch programs which have been shown in the last 2 weeks. On top of that with the more popular programs they are also going to be offering a service allowing you to download all the episodes upto the one from the current week allowing you to "catch up". You have to do this through there own software, but as far as I am concerned that seems like a far trade off for what seems to be a great service.
- axiomata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Missed this Monday's 24 because FOX decided to completely lose service to my campus TV network for the time being. I had it set to record but all I got was snow and hiss. I would have no moral guilt in downloading the episode through bittorrent, but I can't because my university blocks bittorrent traffic.
Now I have no interest in watching the rest of the season until I see that episode. I can't legally watch that episode prior to next Monday so FOX won't be able to count me as a viewer of their advertisements for the rest of the season. I also see no reason to spend $40 or whatever for the entire season on DVD when it comes out.
Moral of the story. Not allowed to download episodes is a loss for me and for FOX. - moofdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I agree that you shouldn't be watching numbers
- TheShad0w, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6In college I took a course covering business dynamics. The base principal was that an industry is doomed to fail if it can't adapt and change with the desires and needs of its customer base.
This is the problem with the Entertainment industry in general. They have for so long been the monopolistic giants and now that the customers got sick of it and found cheaper better ways to do things they go and complain to the government that we are stealing their money. You know what most people inheritly are good. They don't want to steal anything. Had all of the entertainment industry seen the revolution of the electronic and communications age they could have embraced it. Instead they fought with it, allowing other third-party companies to come up with the ideas that could have been their own. (iTunes?)
All they have to do is provide the customers with what they want. Yes the majority of americans are mindless gullable idiots who will go buy what ever the advertisers say they should to be in fashion or style. But there are those of us with independent thought. We hate being told what to buy because we are conscious buyers. Instead of embracing this group and offering a subscription service to download their shows so we could enjoy them (Who here wouldn't pay like $20/month to download any episode of any show from like HBO) they are segregating and aggreivating these could/would be loyal customers.
Maybe the time will come when people learn, but unfortunatly I don't see it happening soon. - moofdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is the exact argument for why ABC is doing what they are doign with their downloads
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i steal TV shows because it's the american thing to do!
- Blah_Blah_Blah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@piper999 again
Your saying missing a flight entitles you to a free ticket, but by your analogy, airlines would lose money by screwing up seats and a whole lot of other things. P2P bears no stress on the network.
Downloading a show you missed doesnt hurt them nearly as much. Its very different. - FluffyArmada, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think he meant to say, "even the death thing is debatable". The IRS is above life and death.
- podwich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If I pay for TV, how is downloading it later stealing?
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5... just because you steal TV, doesn't mean you need to announce it to the world on your blog.
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I still can't believe they got Matt Damon to do that bit in the movie.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you're paying $1500/yr for cable television, why should you have to wait to pay MORE money for it on DVD just to watch your favorite series because the station was ***** up or some other reason?
Further, by your logic, you should not be allowed to use a tivo, because if you really want to watch the show (and without commercials) you could just buy the DVDs or wait until they run in syndication and hope you catch the right episode at the right time instead of skipping commercials with the 30-second DVR skip button. - punkguitarist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Guilty of digging just for the 24 reference. - but I totally agree with what the article is saying, - if i could legally watch the show on my computer [with forced commercials] or buy it, without DRM, i would, but that's not an option.
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6You know the studios are never going to allow that sort of uncontrollable distribution of their shows...
- Oline61, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It is a citizens responsibility to resist unjust laws.
- MikyK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree completely. Hell, a show like 24 is better when watched back to back on DVD.
- tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Would it be illegal to set up a PVR and record the shows that you have paid for? What about if you stripped them of their commercials too?
Alright so let's just pretend I have a PVR, and instead of downloading the shows, I just recorded them. It's the same to the television companies, so why should it matter? - grendelwraith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ok TV stations blast out Electro Magnetic waves every day 24/7.
This radiation passes through our bodies every day.
Pretty much round the world.
Now they may not like it but if you shoot something through me, I sure as heck will do whatever I want with it.
Want us to stop "Stealing" it?
Stop shooting us with it all the time.
Lol stealing.
That is like saying "Yeah I shot him and he ran out of my house, I want to charge him with theft of the slug I left in his leg" - Jaxim, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I agree. Smallville is annoying, (even though I don't miss any episode either.) I wish they would change the style a bit so it's less melodramatic, and every bad guy doesn't get his powers from Kryptonite. It's getting beyond old now.
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