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- Stavrosian, on 05/01/2009, -0/+54If you want to levy a flat tax on internet connections to offset copyrighted materials people may download, don't even dare suggesting that you disconnect them when they go ahead and download those copyrighted materials you are forcing them to pay for. You can't have it both ways, *****.
- Fhwqhgads, on 05/01/2009, -0/+41ISPs to RIAA/MPAA: Go ***** yourselves.
Good going guys. - Exhibitionist, on 05/01/2009, -0/+24For €35/month I'd expect unrestricted access to download all of the copyright holders' music and movies, all in very high quality. Now obviously the copyright holders aren't that bright, so I'll keep dreaming.
- FreckleEars, on 05/01/2009, -1/+23This problem keeps on surfacing its dirty head. Even though they go away after a while, more keep popping up; which I find concerning. That problem is how organizations that profit from control of copyrights (which doesn't actually benefit the artist), keep trying to force governments and ISP's to penalize regular people from using the internet they way they are used to, by contract cancellations, fines, and jail time.
Every time organizations like the MPAA and the SGAE, noted in this article, lose a case to have legislation passed the way they want so they, and only they, benefit, the closer they get to succeeding. Every time it seems they are asking just a little less. Sadly, it is looking like they will eventually win and gain some control little by little. They are treating this just like someone trying to bargain a deal with someone else.
They really need to work on a new business model or people are going to start rioting. I can only imagine what would happen if regular parents, who do not even know how to use the internet, one day getting a cancellation of contract statement in the mail, and having to pay the rest of their contract out and being banned from service; all this because their kids downloaded a few episodes of their favorite show a couple times.
This copyright ***** is getting out of hand. - cosy18, on 05/01/2009, -0/+19the tax is 35€
but Spain already got a 20-40% tax on dvd, cd,HDD, usb memory, ipods, mp3 players, printers, photo camera etc
http://www.todoscontraelcanon.es/ - mrsteveman1, on 05/02/2009, -0/+15Oh no, this is a tax to cover things you might potentially do, someday, maybe not you but someone in your area. If you actually DO these things, well then all bets are off, and you owe them for that too :)
- dsmx, on 05/01/2009, -0/+13That should be every ISP's response to any request for customer information that doesn't come from the police.
- seltaeb4, on 05/02/2009, -0/+12RIAA/MPAA Continue to Argue Over Depth of Own Grave
- inactive, on 05/02/2009, -1/+11Customers will not accept taxes, nor will they accept disconnects. In fact, we don't accept the **AA's, period.
- Popcorned23, on 05/02/2009, -0/+9***** THE SGAE!!!
- Myztry, on 05/02/2009, -1/+10Sounds like they want the innocent to pay, and the guilty to be removed.
The Internet isn't a Kingdom, and the IP traders are not Kings...
Governments better watch out, the IP traders are gunning for top spot. - Travelsonic, on 05/02/2009, -0/+9Ignore them then, not our fault/problem if you can't understand that simple concept.
- mrsteveman1, on 05/02/2009, -0/+6If customers can't choose a different ISP, then ISPs can't enter into contracts with unrelated companies that are solely intended to benefit everyone BUT the customers.
It may be different in Spain, but in the U.S most ISPs are quasi-utilities, who use their position to provide internet service over the same lines they provide ACTUAL utilities like cable and phone service. - phpirate, on 05/02/2009, -0/+6"if you download we'll disconnect you, but even though we're discouraging you from downloading, we'll tax everybody too"
- PopcornDave, on 05/02/2009, -0/+4But once they remove the guilty do you really think that they'd remove the tax on the innocent? Or is it a case of everyone's guilty but they just haven't been caught yet?
- Suricou, on 05/02/2009, -0/+4That would probably be half the customers, including many false positives and trivial offences.
Have you ever watched a music video on youtube? Congratulations, you're a pirate. - Travelsonic, on 05/02/2009, -0/+4***** off
- Travelsonic, on 05/02/2009, -0/+4And how praytell do you do that without disconnecting innocent internet users, genius?
- ViscidGobs, on 05/02/2009, -0/+3We pay a surcharge on all recordable media. It works. The RIAA whines a little because they feel its not enough. But something is better than nothing. So the RIAA and Lars should go have a Coke and STFU.
- zeabu, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2They both want to charge you for if yo do download and disconnect when you download. So their idea is to charge you for something you aren't doing, when it turns out you do download, it's not enough that you already paid for it, no they want to sue you and disconnect you.
- Apocrypha, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2We shouldn't be paying that surcharge either. It's also very wrong.
- Apocrypha, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2How ***** dare they? This sort of thing cannot be allowed to happen anywhere in the world. Everyone must send their ISPs a very clear message that this sort of thing will not be tolerated and that you will leave said ISP for one that does not do this. Hopefully they don't become forced by some crappy law. That will get ugly.
- h4rdcor3, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2Based on your name I see you are a fan of laws that benefit the people in power
- Suricou, on 05/02/2009, -0/+2If it comes from a Big Media download store, it's legal. If it doesn't, it's either illegal or indy. In the latter case, treat it as illegal anyway.
- Djupblue, on 05/03/2009, -0/+2Stop complaining and DO something! Write mails, vote and join the Pirate Party! I am so sick and tired of all negativity "oh, we can't change anything" Bla bla bla.. If the world was unchangeable we would still be living in caves.
- Pixelante, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1Unfortunately, customers do not seem to be calling the shots and will be forced to accept what Big Money wants.
- inactive, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1So will they disconnect the members of the RIAA and MPAA from the net.. every time they commit copyright infringement.. which is practically every time they release a song or movie stolen from some older movie, frame for frame or note for note or word for word ***** verbatim.. I think NOT.. Let us not forget Hollywood was founded on piracy.. so the phrase "go ***** yourself!' comes to mind..
- zeabu, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1¡Que se joda!
- hitkaiser, on 05/02/2009, -1/+2*Actually* it isn't 20-40%. This is what we get charged:
Hard disk €12
Laser printer €10
Scaner €9
Multi function printer: €7.95
DVD Burner: €3.40
MP3 Player: €3.15
Mobile Phone: €1.1
CD Burner: €0.60
DVD-RW: €0.60
DVD-R: €0.44
USB Memory: €0.30
CD-RW: €0.22
CD-R: €0.17
Well these are the initial rates, but I'm pretty sure they haven't changed that much in the last few years. - xino, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1What did inactive say? His or her comment is deleted.
- Suricou, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1Technicly this is the spanish equivilent of the RIAA, but... close enough.
- Suricou, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1I suspect those rates havn't been altered in a long time, and arn't capacity-linked. You'll pay the same €0.30 on a 64M USB memory device as you would on the latest ridiculously-expensive 64GB 'Store all your HD movies' memory.
- BlackJackJester, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1If you're a repeat offender of copyright law, then sure, maybe a monthly tax should be imposed to offset the 'lost revenue' - only if the profits go directly to the artists. A general tax is restarted, as it punishes everyone for the misdeeds of a few.
- Apocrypha, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1Nice. It's never enough though, is it?
- Travelsonic, on 05/02/2009, -0/+1Xino,
it was another spammer. - Kate1240, on 05/02/2009, -0/+0***** both of them!
- Myztry, on 05/02/2009, -3/+1The IP trader are duressing the ISPs. Perhaps it is time the ISP's implemented a Toll charge for the IP traders doing business over their infrastructure, or be denied traversal. The consumer is paying for data traversal. Why shouldn't the IP traders be subject to the same.
ISP's are also capable of forming rights groups. Stand over tactics can go both ways... - HEAVYisSPY, on 05/02/2009, -3/+0form teh babbys!
- N01SE, on 05/02/2009, -15/+1I AM SO SICK OF ***** TORRENT FREAK AND THESE STUPID ***** TORRENT STORIES!!!!
- inactive, on 05/02/2009, -15/+0They should just disconnect the pirates.
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