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- mohtasham, on 07/24/2008, -3/+101They will find another way of sharing files on the internet, You cannot ban internet. It's against internet nature.
- KiwiUK, on 07/24/2008, -1/+63Wouldn't work. If they do the £30 a year tax, it would be seen as a subscription that allows the illegal downloading of music. The letters are just scare tactics too
- Nossie, on 07/24/2008, -0/+46if I was forced to pay that I sure as hell would perceive it as a right to pirate
- Slovenian6474, on 07/24/2008, -0/+43My neighbor is going to wonder why he's getting all these warnings.
- jordn, on 07/24/2008, -1/+39I think people who use the gnutella network (limewire etc.) are likely to be the ones most at risk. With the poor quality of content there and a huge number of dud files, not only am i surprised to hear people other than the less tech savvy are still using it, but that the music industry itself is injecting the network with dummy tracking files in an attempt to trick people.
Off topic, but our country has really gone downhill since Brown stepped in, and bending to the wim of the music industry proves it. Instead of sueing everything with a pulse, they should be re-thinking their aged business models and adapting the fact that people naturally enjoy sharing music. That's how i find out about what is up-and-coming! - Surferess, on 07/24/2008, -1/+36Someday we will look back at 2008 as the year we REALLY lost our privacy rights.
- sk11, on 07/24/2008, -0/+33"other steps may be taken by the government such as the introduction of an annual £30 ‘download tax’. Peter Jenner, a music industry player who has been supporting such a plan said that the tax could bring in enough turnover to support the music industry: “If you get enough people paying a small enough amount of money you can turn around the wheels of the music industry” he said."
So, all internet users should be collectively punished? WHAT THE ***** is going on? What absolute maniacal crack head thought that one up? - leerayIG88, on 07/24/2008, -2/+26FREE THE INTERNET!!!!
- ogallivanslist, on 07/24/2008, -1/+22Bring it on!!!
basically this is just advertising for all the "other" legal download sites. The music industry isn't going to end because sum rich people are loosing less then 1 billion pounds despite, what they would have you believe . I my self do not use p2p such as limewire (Any more) i think its old technology and has been infected by allot of fake files. Torrents are far more efficient for downloading. as soon as i get there warning letter I'm sending one straight back to bt or whoever explaining how they are going to loose this battle
p.s sorry for the rant people this ***** just makes me angry. - rikwakefield, on 07/24/2008, -4/+24............................................________........................
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..................................., - zebraz, on 07/24/2008, -2/+20When will these fools realize they can't stop the internet.
- Chahrlie5, on 07/24/2008, -0/+16Download tax? What the *****, seriously. Taxes aren't high enough in Europe?
- meruru, on 07/24/2008, -3/+18China does a pretty good job
- Corrosionx, on 07/24/2008, -1/+14UK Hackers, you know what you have to do.
- dOOBiEx213, on 07/24/2008, -0/+13The time has come we all unite, and chain our routers together.
- ChunkyLover36, on 07/24/2008, -0/+13Stop or I'll say stop again.
- leggat, on 07/24/2008, -0/+12No, there are plenty of smaller isp's not in on the deal. Be for example (bethere.co.uk)
We don't have to remain with the select 6 who are involved.
Though no doubt, more will be bribed. - MadOgre, on 07/24/2008, -0/+12How about they do something about SPAM and DNS attacks first?
- incandescent, on 07/24/2008, -0/+12China has the highest rates of piracy and counterfeit goods in the world.
Anyway, if the media companies want to model our country's laws on China they might find that falling sales are the least of their problems. - twoboxen, on 07/24/2008, -0/+11Next Headline:
Hundreds of thousands of Internet users laugh at scare tactic, get reminded to download that song they just heard on the radio. - ExRe, on 07/24/2008, -1/+11***** rapidshare.
- NotRylock, on 07/24/2008, -0/+10What they think will happen:
Everyone in the country will pay a £30 tax to cover all the illegal downloading, we will keep cracking down on it.
What everyone that pays it will assume:
I payed my £30, I can pirate as much as I want! - YouAreDead, on 07/24/2008, -4/+13Pay £30, Download Anything. Great.
- luuneetoon, on 07/24/2008, -0/+9the laser printer did it
- alexforcefive, on 07/24/2008, -0/+8If you'd made it to the bottom of the article, you'd see that they're not even considering it.
- Zippo, on 07/24/2008, -1/+8Do not ***** with the Internet or the Internet will ***** with you. Put up a roadblock and a tunnel around it will be built to bypass it.
You cannot stop us. - damienhunter, on 07/24/2008, -0/+7Can someone copy and paste the article into the comments? I can't see it with my work filter.
- uncleboogie, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6I got a warning email from Cox yesterday threatening to shut down my service if I did not erase a file they say I have. Today I ordered Verizon Fios TV and internet, my DL speed will now be 15mbps faster :)
- zadadka, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6Sorry everyone, but "Keep The Internet Free" is increasingly a hobbled dog that won't hunt...and....ooooh, look...here's another stealth tax for us Ripped Off Brits.
Your monthly fee to your ISP will increase by 10-15% at next (2009?) renewal, to provide for it.
The ISPs will also probably claim additional costs at both ends (against customers and Government) for the management of those "tax" collections....so 20-25% is a more likely increase.
Don't imagine for one moment this won't be pressed onto ALL ISPs operating in the UK once it's implemented.
Many of us have experienced bandwidth throttling, next to come : protocol monitoring against your IP by your ISP.
Using anonymisers will be irrelevant if port 6881 (etc) traffic is observed on your NIC/modem/IP, particularly if originating from (known) "pirate" swarms.
Transgressors will likely be hit with "ASBO" style orders, restricting if not negating their ability to obtain an internet connection at all.
The saddest part (as I've indicated in other previous threads), is that the "victim" artists / artistes will see a tiny proportion of any such derived revenues...once again, this is about corporate power.
To my Yank friends :
Remember that Bill they just passed regarding online Credit Card transactions being passed to IRS?....don't think the IRS will be the only recipients of that information....this is all coming your way too.
What is it you guys say?.....asterisks (****) the RIAA?
Too right. - Kanaka, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6I'll be waiting for mine
- dustinadamsmith, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6.....and then they will cancel their broadband service with that particular ISP.
- Lewiji, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6You are ignorant of British English.
- Goallie11, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6That reminded to me finish that movie I was downloading.
- Pheter, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5If you download a fake 'tracker' file or whatever you wish to call it have you committed a crime? Because you never downloaded an illegal file.. Or is the 'fake' file a real file, that also is tracked?
Sorry if that was unnecessarily confusing. - Blackham, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6Not great. Its called pirating for a reason.
- Pheter, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5"All this will be backed up by an educational campaign to ensure that every customer knows that it is illegal to upload copyright music."
Nearly everyone already knows that it is illegal. Yet everyone also knows it is free... Dumb asses. - dvoshart, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6I predict that 0.0001% of this download tax will go to the artists.
99.9999% will go to fund a lobby for greater tax. - bagelmaster, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5While this is true and a slight relief to me as an American, we still need to be strongly against this happening in any country. If this goes through and somehow works (lol yeah right) our own ISPs here will be looking into it.
- zadadka, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5It's the same mentality that legally authorises that we must all pay higher car insurance rates "because of boy racers" and similar lame excuses for their own lack of acumen in underwriting that business.
- palta38, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4ISPs To Send “Hundreds of Thousands” of File-Sharing Warnings
Written by enigmax on July 24, 2008
According to initial reports, an announcement due later today will state that major ISPs in the UK have reached an agreement to work with the music industry to start mass warning file-sharers. The deal, brokered by the government, will see hundreds of thousands warned but not disconnected.
In what will be seen by the British Phonographic Industry as a partial victory in its war against file sharers, major ISPs in the UK have agreed to music industry demands to start sending out warning letters to those it accuses of sharing its copyright works.
The report states that the deal was agreed by six of the UK’s most prominent Internet Service Providers following intense government pressure. It’s estimated that these as-yet unnamed ISPs will send out hundreds of thousands of letters to suspected uploaders of music. The ISPs - thought to include Virgin Media who already did an early deal - are BT, Orange, Tiscali, Carphone Warehouse (AOL, TalkTalk) and BSkyB.
Demands from the music industry to disconnect uploaders from the Internet have not been met by the ISPs nor insisted upon by the government as Culture Secretary Andy Burnham had already stepped back from a government implemented ‘3 strikes and you’re out’ policy. One ISP, Virgin Media, already indicated that there was “absolutely no possibility” of them disconnecting alleged pirates from the Internet.
However, it’s being reported that other measures may be taken against alleged file-sharers, including traffic management techniques being deployed to punish persistent offenders. As we reported earlier, this element is likely to be negotiated by the UK telecoms regulator, Ofcom.
The Times is reporting that other steps may be taken by the government such as the introduction of an annual £30 ‘download tax’. Peter Jenner, a music industry player who has been supporting such a plan said that the tax could bring in enough turnover to support the music industry: “If you get enough people paying a small enough amount of money you can turn around the wheels of the music industry” he said. Although UK citizens are used to this type of charge with the current TV licensing system, this type of tax seems unlikely to succeed in the current environment.
A Memorandum of Understanding drawn up by the Department for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform (BERR) and signed by all six ISPs states that not only must the ISPs commit to a “significant reduction” in music file-sharing in the UK but they must also help develop legal music services too. One can see how this might be attractive to certain ISPs, such as BSkyB who just days ago signed a deal with Universal to set up an online music service “to rival iTunes”.
All this will be backed up by an educational campaign to ensure that every customer knows that it is illegal to upload copyright music.
More on this breaking news as we get it during the day.
Update: Geoff Taylor, chief executive of the BPI says reports of a levy are incorrect: “A levy is not an issue under discussion. It has not been discussed between us and government and as far as we are aware it is not on the table.” - jos22, on 07/24/2008, -1/+5I say ***** em. why should people be forced to pay download tax. not every one pirates on the internet. plus they already get payed enough from all the fees they collect from pubs, night clubs, DJs, any places which has a radio in public. tv shows and ads as well as movies and games and ringtones. also 30 pounds be far too low for them they be looking for 30 a day download tax. as others say they if they gonna bill you for download . you be dam sure It be put to good use. 30 pounds = 1TB of goods.
- KaiUno, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4I tried that so many times on Digg, but people just don't want to hear it. And maybe it's for the best, that way we can keep all the goodies to ourselves and let the crazies chase after torrents.
- inactive, on 07/25/2008, -0/+4Right. I have mentioned before people should not be using P2P as it makes determining what you are sharing extremely easy. IP blocking is also a waste of time as they pop up stealth nodes all the time.
The right direction to go in my experience is to put your files in pw protected generic named .rar files and upload them to the newsgroups. (encrypted redirect: https://www.newsdump.org/giganews ) Before someone says it again, the files can contain anything. Perhaps your Hello Kitty Sticker Collection. It really doesn't matter. Even if you were sharing things on P2P that were perfectly legal, it doesn't matter. They make mistakes and are happy to have anyone pay them money.
After uploading your pw protected generic named .rar files to a newsgroup, generate and give your friends the .nzb files that contain the information needed to automatically download your files that you uploaded without having to download headers or spam. Most ISP's provide free access to Usenet. There are open source programs that work much like newsbin pro and news leecher.
Here are a list of some of the news servers most people on digg probably already have free access to: http://usenettools.net/ISP.htm
Yes, I know , the first rule of ... - carpeclunes, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4Colour me ignorant.
- donkevin, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4So they're socializing music?
- rezonq3, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4Haven't you heard, Government doesn't help the people.
- synagence, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4I stopped pirating music quite a while ago but i would be perfectly happy to pay £30 a year if i basically meant a free-for-all on being able to download whatever the hell i liked from wherever i liked.
- xsecretfiles, on 07/24/2008, -8/+12I was freaking out for a sec...
It's only the U.K thank god! - garvallagh, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3i cant believe sergal farkey is involved in this :(
guy ***** wrote Teenage kicks. Is your penthouse apartment in London not good enough for you Fergal ?? - raffel, on 07/24/2008, -5/+8Later in the news ... ISPs lose "Hundreds of Thousands" of customers.
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