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- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+77Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays
- edhm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46I wish my company would do this to a few people, becuase they did overstate qulifications and dont do *****. The money wasted on their salaries hurts the rest of us by sucking money from the budget that could be used to give hard workers raises, hire competent people which contributes to increased profitablity, etc. But, back to the article, I do think demanding an additional $210k is over the top and whomever actually hired the guy is just trying to cover their ass for making a poor descision.
- citrusfizz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42you know.. i do belive somone would get there ass kicked for saying something like that...
- eybear, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41I better get back to work! _hangs up phone_
- yllus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36This isn't an iPod-related firing, it's a "I lied on my resume" firing.
- fani, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31Agreed. But its really not the smaller fish that hurt the companies. Its the big employees with their huge payoffs.
The JPMorgan CEO Sandy Warner, I think, got $66 million salary in 2003 when the company's profits were down, consultants/employees had to take 10% pay cut. The stock fell from like $50 to about $24.
Outsourcing was started and this dick got a big fat check and total package worth $66 million !!!
What a *****. He could've given back $50 million to fund the company and still have no dent to his lifestyle.
Or how about the NYSE chief who got like a $50million pay after he quit his post. Jeezus !!! - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Err, isn't it equally bad having a totaly blank screen when your supposedly working..?
- Ben - mehtajr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20The crux of his firing seems to be that he lied on his resume (misrepresentation of his qualifications) in order to get a job he wasn't qualified for, not that he listened to his iPod (more a symptom than the cause).
- DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Mr. Nagna....Naganna....well, not gonna work here anymore!
- plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Not only is it a "I lied on my resume" sort of thing, it is HARDLY an iPod thing at all. He "spent an inordinate amount of time engaged in personal iPod-related activities." Which means, I assume, he was probably surfing iTunes and finding music for his iPod or shopping for accessories. He wasn't just "using his iPod".
The title is misleading, it is just another story using "iPod" to get on the front page.
Reported. - Drahkar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I'd say that this article here is a prime example of everything that is wrong with the world today.
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15One of my business teachers once taught us: "There is perhaps one job in the world that you can get fired from again and again, and walk away rich as God. The job? CEO for major corporations."
- mfratt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17no its
"Naw man, naw. I rekon someone would get the ***** beaten out of them for sayin somethin like that." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Just look at how FIorina hurt HP and got given an immense golden parachute, or the bstards at Enron.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"And *shock horror* people would actually stop making frigging personal phone calls on their employer's dime!"
There's a disturbing, pervasive attitude in american culture that for 50 hours a week you are OWNED by the company and that you shouldn't DARE even THINKING about a non-work task during that time.
Which is rather pathetic. Works is merely a part of one's life.
Now, slacking is one thing, but personal calls aren't hardly a dent in one's productivity.
As other's have stated, this smells more like a manager covering his ass for hiring someone unqualified than anything in particular this employee did with his phone or iPod.
It took 8 months to realize the person wasn't qualified? - count_z, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12REALLY bad headline. It wasn't just fired because of this iPod (the iPod probably had very little to do with it), the article clearly states that he overstated his qualifications (i.e. lied on his resumé and during the interview).
This guy might have messed-up several big deals which is why the company is using for lost profit.
No Digg. - Everman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11This would set a "Very" dangerous precedent if the employer won. Then we'd have companies all over the place suing employees and the lawyers encouraging all of it. (because our legal system is based on case law)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I agree with the end of the article. Getting his salary back might be possible. But trying to claim lost revenue? It seems to me that if his non-productivity was costing the company that much, they should have known about it LONG before he was on the job for 9 months and they should have fired him earlier.
And this shouldn't be too good for their recruitment capabilities later. To let people know that they pay you only about 25% of what they expect you to bring to the company. That is really low, even for an entry level position, let alone middle management. - jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10winkey+D for windows users
- MugatuOT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Agreed - it always amazes me just how much dead weight the average company (or you could say the average good employee) has to drag around.
- ucg1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"digg during working hours to make this point."
Two 15 minute breaks, twice a day, plus a 1hr lunch. - DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I wonder how many of those calls involved being put on hold by Apple tech support
/runs for cover - fani, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9more like, i better get back to work... closes Firefox, Games by use of the Boss Key. :)
- krewemaynard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Sounds like he might have been a total douche. I don't believe the angle the story presents is 100% accurate. Who knows.
- superfunkypants, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yeah. Although, it is ironic that you are using digg during working hours to make this point.
- soulpunisher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sounds more like the company is full of dumbasses it took them 8 months to figure out this guy is making 90K and does not do anything? Frankly they should have givin him write ups and warnings and then booted him. Plus most business have a probation period and he should have been let go much sooner then. I hope he wins this case so the ***** trying to cover his ass gets fired too for not noticing this guy did nothing around the office.
- Frinkahedron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Someone is just trying to cover his ass for hiring the guy.
- Reddog_x2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ This would set a "Very" dangerous precedent if the employer won. Then we'd have companies all over the place suing employees and the lawyers encouraging all of it. (because our legal system is based on case law)
Exactly. Imagine the effects on innovation. No one would even consider proposing anything new for fear of getting sued if it didn't work out. . - 1337geek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6eh, he could have had a cd player and it wouldnt have made a difference, this only winds up here because it has the word Ipod in it, ohh, shiney , blessed be thy ipod. listening to mine now.
- fitzfan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Why would the HR guy be fired? the guy lied on his resume, the HR guy cant be expected to verify every single fact on the resume. The "poor" guy lied on his resume, taking the job from someone who really deserved it, and you guys feel bad for him just because he has an apple poduct?
- Reddog_x2000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I don't have a problem with them suing the guy for lying on his resume.
But, suing for poor performance is pretty lame and it'll backfire. Who's going to work for a company that sues people for poor performance? Only people who can't get a job anywhere else. Are those the employees you want to build your business on? And, good luck collecting from them. - funkpucker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Too many inside jokes about Officespace, but I love it anyway.
- StarCrusher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Can I sue the companies that told me great and wonderful things about the job in the interview and then put me into a tiny cubicle and worked me until I couldn't see straight? They sure as hell misrepresented how wonderful the job would be.
- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I doubt they'll even get the $90K back. Due diligence seems to have been neglected by the plaintiff. They'd likely have to prove that they checked out his resume, and that somehow he managed to hide his incompetence, even though they attempted to evaluate him. This sounds like a very weak case, but juries can be really stupid ...
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The company doesn't have a leg to stand on unless they gave him multiple warnings, defined how many calls and how much ipod use was "too much", and documented every case of him exceeding those limits.
The next firing is going to be the ***** exec who made this decision. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Just fire him. It's bad enough to be fired, you don't need to ruin his life.
- stevenb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sorry, wrong person clicked reply to CTRaider
Are you a manager for like.. Taco Bell or Circle K or something?
In all honesty, it's ridiculous that companies think that they own you because you're on their dime. The average employee cannot work through the entire 8 hour shift that they are required and be productive the entire time if that's all they are forced to think about / do. It's been proven that employees that take random breaks for a moment here or there are more productive than employees who sit there and hack away at something all day droning through their work.
On the same hand I do believe employees should conserve their personal time while working... It's just morally wrong to be paid for doing something, and not doing something all day.. or even a fraction of the day... But come on... noone likes working in a slave driver environment. - vostek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I used to live in DE. That state was basically founded on extortionist credit card companies, so its not suprising to see something like this happening. All these corporate zombies and their precious money... It would do them some good to listen to some good music every once in a while.
- dickyducky, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6the HR manager who hired him should be fired
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If anything, they should probably sue the guy who _hired_ him for lost revenue.
- Klarth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Whoa, poor bastard. There should be a law against doing things that while legal, are totally unethical and presecutive of people who oppose the RIAA-- oh wait
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"more like, i better get back to work... closes Firefox, Games by use of the Boss Key. :)"
Thank god for osX. My boss key is F11. Anyone walks up, *keyed!* and I have a blank screen. - knightcrawler75, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Ipod related activities? He must listen to that soccer girl podcast. Or that suicide girl vidcast. Not that I would know about such things.
- CaffiendCA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3HR doesn't make the hiring call. That's up to the hiring manager.
But firing someone is one thing, suing him is out of line. Lost profits? Laughable. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sounds like that company is smoking some wacky weed down in the small blunder state Dela-Where?
- kbarrett, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What if he had been over qualified for his salary and had made the company and extra 200,000 grand instead... do think the company would pay him the money they feel they owed him for going above and beyond?
The person who should be in trouble is the person who hired him. Doesn't sound like they were doing their job very well. Doesn't anyone call former employers or check references? - thavok, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6/ runs for cover
Ok I like apple as much as the next apple fanboy but thats just funny. - dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You work in China ?
- crythias, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm considering another option, though. In my particular case, I'm constantly on call. While I realize employers consider "time" valuable, I'd love it more if they considered "work" valuable.
That is to say, if my performance meets or exceeds expectations and my work is getting accomplished accurately, completely, and on time, I'd prefer to be judged on that scale than the fact that I clock in at 2 minutes before start and 15+ minutes after end.
Probably a pie-in-the-sky issue. Time is valuable. I just wish it wasn't necessarily the be all and end all for all jobs. - soulpunisher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Now that is the best point so far. I agree Gatorbyte 100%. The company is in charge of you and tells you what to do. Lets take a low paying job for instance A guy who needs to sweep a floor. The boss gives him a broom and tells him to sweep. If he does not sweep it everyone can see that the floor is still dirty. So his boss needs to tell him again to sweep it or be let go. Very simple and I doubt anyone at his company got onto him about not sweeping the floors b/c they don't do their job either. Just my 2 cents.
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