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- Pix869, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44Wait for the RIAA cop-out: "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".
- KyferEz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21I suggest everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, flood the fake trackers with bogus IPs. Find every single open proxy, use TOR, and connect to open WiFi networks and click the hell out of the fake torrents or find another automated way to seed them with fake IP addresses!
The intended result is to seed their database of suspected downloaders with garbage. This would lead to an enormous increase of "bad lawsuits" (such as when they sue computer illiterate parents), which will accelerate the process of the courts rejecting more lawsuits by RIAA as frivilous. This will also greatly increase the bad media attention RIAA is getting, and they will be forced to give up on this ridiculous court-enabled extortion scheme that much more quickly. - lemurs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14From the article:
"Another way to set someone up is by using “peer exchange“. All you have to do is enter someone else’s address, and the fake tracker will record it."
Anyone know the RIAA's IP space? ;) - ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Innocent until proven guilty is a concept of the criminal system, not the civil one, of which all of these suits are a part of. It places more of a burden on the defendant rather than the plaintiff, thus you are, in a way, guilty until proven innocent.
- Gregac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Heck set up the peer exchange with a script, that literally continuously sends the P2P Peer guardian list to the fake tracker site, heck see if that can a bot network do it, to send the list millions and billions of times, that way they will think all their "Friends" have turned against them.... Or send them trillions of fake IP address... (Till they get the point).
- igeoffi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Go to that link they told you not to go on at school. :] Let's see if the RIAA tries to sue the school.
- bigkm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10i wouldn't put it past them.
- Digitalmarley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12nice rumsfeld/boondocks reference...very appropriate in this matter
- Digitalmarley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It seems like the 'unsecure wireless network' defense is the best at this point. Its a shame that in this country, pork producers could throw enough enough at congress to turn a blind eye on them suing people for eating too much beef. Most of us would be a lot better off if all the 13 year old suburban chicks in the world stopped buying CD's altogether and the record industry ran out of the deep pockets that fund this jihad against the people that created them in the first place. My first and last RIAA rant ever...promise
- randomc0de, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8What would the counter-action be in the case an organization claims a copyright violation but has less evidence than it claims? Perjury? Defamation? Are there any legal options now that people know about this discrepancy?
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Also it is very easy to block such RIAA tracker/IPs
Like with PeerGuardian 2
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ - Diggingspoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If these companies truely send out DMCA notices in this fashion, then someone should take the initiative to sue and take them down: By submitting a DMCA notice, you claim under penalty of perjury that you believe the party in question has violated your copyright. To do so frivolously, then, is to perjure yourself
- eviltoaster2go, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Just how automated IS the MAFIAA's legal machine? Somebody should send the RIAA.com IP to the harvester :)
- justdbc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It would save a lot of bandwidth just to seed the IP addresses of every sitting judge and every elected politician. Oh, and their aging moms' IP addresses.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10the RIAA is equivalent to McCarthyism.
- Dissy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why stop at sending them fake and bogus IPs?
Lets just submit all 4,294,967,295 :D - myzticshadow146, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5haha, bet the RIAA didn't know it was picking a fight with hundreds of thousands of computer literate diggers.
Give it time guys, they WILL get owned. Its RIAA vs. world. - smhill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I knew there was a reason I hated XML.
- dkm201, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't think that Peerguardian makes it totally safe -- it only blocks IPs that have been added to the blocklist, which is by no means all the IPs who could be checking on you... Lots of people have gotten letters from their cable company for downloading ***** even though they were using Peerguardian. Just an FYI...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://test.blocklist.org/search.php?q=riaa
;) - smhill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Bad analogy or at least extreme hyperbole.
The MaCarthy trials were a government persecuting people based on no evidence, and the "crime" was not having the same opinion as the government, even though that is freedom guaranteed by our government. And since it was the government, there was no recourse.
This is about private parties. bullying, questionable practices, perception of rights, several grey areas, and some really poor (if not destructive) business practices. Complicated more so by the fact that those they are (attempting) to go after are violating copyright law. (To be clear, I only saying their target is infringers, not that everyone they pursue is one). And unless I am way off, I don't believe any case has actually be fought out in court yet, has it?
Not saying it isn't bad, far from it. It sucks and is wrong for those who have been innocently affected, but, please, lets not compare people who get nasty letters and some who have lost time or opted to pay fines from the RIAA to people whose lives were completely ruined by the government for allegedly engaging in something that same government has sworn to protect.
The worst experience faced by someone accused is nothing compared to the best case of someone accused in the McCarthy trials. - decipherd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3someone that has the knowhow please do this.. write about it, submit it, i will digg
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3*Amish
- bmaurer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's completely automated. In fact, at CMU they can ban people without a human ever being involved. The folks send them XML to parse. It's pretty stupid.
- tripple-breve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I can't wait for the day when musicians won't even want to be signed by a RIAA-member label, and there's more CC-licensed new music than copyrighted/DRMed new music.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@smhill:
i'll take extreme hyperbole for a hundred, s.m.
8) - omgbanana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wouldn't say that the burden of proof is heavier for the defendant than the plaintiff. Theoretically each side has an equal burden. However, deep pockets make it much easier to "prove" you are right. Unfortunately, not many of the defendants in these cases have deep pockets.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2mpaa and riaa should just look me up, i talk about downloading content all the time on blogs like this. hell, 99% of my content is provided by p2p!
- grimshaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What would happen if someone wrote a program using technology from peer exchange to send them everyone's ip address. Would millions and millions get notices?
- sctechguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ah, the Omish, who live in Pennsuhlvaneyuh Duch countrie.
/sarcasm - nettleman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is a podcast?
i thought it was just an old fashioned .mp3 file
Do I need to get an iPod to listen to this? - PureForm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4PeerGuardian: http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
- unununium, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Err why not just subscribe to Napster
- blamar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@yorn
You know they have a system in PG that allows you to override access for individual IPs or IP ranges....right? - jetsetgo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ whoever is digging me down.
what i'm asking for is some literature that explains how to modify peer exchange, not how to write scripts to attack the riaa. I've done some extensive searching and all i can find are blurbs that explain what peer exchange does and nothing about how to modify it. - Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Peerguardian 2 also blocks (or at least blocked) Battlefield 2 users from logging into EA servers. They were so unapologetic about it that when I tried to update the wiki entry for it, the author of the program (and wiki) reverted the change and said the issue was not up for discussion nor was it a valid criticism of the software. What?!?
I also submitted a tech bug requesting that they at least add information to their FAQ if they weren't going to unblock the login servers and they dropped it without consideration or comment. Whoever the maintainers of Peerguardian are, they simply don't care about the people using the software. They are overly vindicative about taking IPs off the black list and still fail to protect people. It just seems kind of ridiculous, the least they could do is say to turn it off when you want to play EA games. - voidofmind, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11@digitalmarley
would you like a cookie for recognizing the quote? do you really need to point out that you did? - perilousone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2btucker,
Good question. You are expecting logic here though? - KyferEz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm counting the days... It's inevitable unless those RIAAized labels change, though I'm willing to bet it's already too late for that.
- dieselmachine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1So I was thinking, what if I made a site that used user-supplied data on music listening usage (like last.fm, in fact, which is exactly the type of data i envisioned using, although more on that later) and distributed funds directly to bands. Like, each week, it tracks your top played bands, and if a band is in the top ten, they get a proportional cut of money from an amount the user specifies.
Basically, the target audience would be people who love music (enough to where they want to reimburse bands for the enjoyment they've provided through their art) but really hate the idea that the people doing the hard work are receiving almost none of the money, while the corporate ***** who do mundane clerical work that any monkey could do are taking the cash.
Don't get me wrong. Some bands aren't good enough to have their music spread via word of mouth. In their cases, they should use record labels, because carpet-bombing promotional campaigns are good for the lowest-common-denominator of the population, you'll sweep up most of the krill right there.
But what if, after a week of downloading music, you have discovered a wondrous album that made you think about music in an etirely different way, something that opened your mind and really grabbed you, and you think "These guys need my money". And then you find out the album hasn't even been released here, so even if you could order it, the band would get a buck or two after the big guys took their cut.
If I could, after a week of musical greatness, sit at my computer and make a 20 dollar payment, and have it automatically distributed proportionally to the bands i listened to most that week, with no regard for physical location, I would be happy. If a database could break down each album into the people who played on it, so I have each amount divided evenly among band members, that would be great too.
If a lot of people did the same, musicians would be paid for being musicians again, random checks showing up at their mailbox as payment for playing music that people were listening to. It seems, to me, like a great idea. And as months pass, album choices wax and wane, but if I'm still listening to that one magnificent album that really grabbed me, then the band is still getting paid for it, as long as I have the decency to pay it.
It would remove the whole dirty "supporting terrorism" feeling that comes along with cd-purchasing, which almost invariably ends up funding the RIAA, which in turn fuels lawsuits towards fellow music users.
Again, just an idea. And the cd that made me think of it was called "From the Yearning to Burst the Perpetual Circle" by a German band called Koyaanisqatsy. I heart it, a lot. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1are the riaa omish, beacuse they sure are anti technology same with the music industry, when are these idiots gona stop fighting the inevatible
- balerhgae, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Cookies? Where!?!
- jetsetgo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2any link to a tutorial about this? i'd like to try it.
- balerhgae, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'd milk it for all it's worth. Libel.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Yeah...that's it. It is only 13 year old girls buying music.
You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel any better. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Hate to tell you, bt the inevitable is NOT "Let people share music completely free" And htat is what they re after.
- btucker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Just out of curiosity, can anyone explain why this has been down-modded?
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2The RIAA is irrelevant. Only noobs and grandmothers get caught by the RIAA.
But I suppose that's what makes it such an evil organization. It doesn't actually help matters, it does more harm than good. - btucker, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5Actual article: http://bmaurer.blogspot.com/2007/02/big-media-dmca-notices-guilty-until.html
- AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -23/+11"Filesharers Guilty Until Proven Innocent"
I thought this described the US (in)justice system in general.
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