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- dankosaur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34ICANNOT stand this, even!
- Wojjie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22The chances of registries not gouging people for their domain names are small, since they are out to maximize their profit and have no concern about your business model.
A good example would be if you opened a store, started getting regulars and making a profit, only to have the unit you lease go up in price as your income increases, there by passing your hard earned profits over to someone else (who did not risk anything, or work hard nearly as hard to build up what you have today).
Though, if they did a capped variable pricing set at something sane (unlikely), it could reduce the amount of companies that park domains, making their hosting and registration costs back by ads. Too bad they can not gouge just those companies. - AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Have to let ICANN know that this cannot stand.
- shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21I buried this as spam. This topic is extremely important (I own tens of domains).. but why the hell would you submit a link to a paid forum?
- oldtomjoad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This is incredibly important, please visit this article and read how to object!!!!!
http://www.circleid.com/posts/icann_tiered_pricing_tld_biz_info_org_domain/ - idreamincode, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8what happens after 10 years? A couple of my domains are close to their 10 year mark, you expect me to just go out of business when my domain expires? And what about those domains you are just trying out and don't know if they'll succeed. I don't want to pay $100 for 10 years for a domain if I'm not sure it will last more than a year. And if it is successful, then I will just be screwed getting it renewed. Killing the small business guy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Great job, lets screw over things like churches, charities, and other good things. ***** you ICANN, burn in hell.
- GamingLab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7marked as inaccurate unless there is a way to verify the integrity and source of this news. I'd mark it as spam as well if it was possible to bury a post twice.
- AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6As commercial enterprises have always shown - when they can make a profit, they will. And when they can maximize it, they will. Just look at the current net neutrality headaches - even though major tax payer money was used to fund the networks, they still want to charge extra on top of it.
Not to mention that if this goes through, Verisign *will* try to do the same. - oldtomjoad, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Sorry mate did not want to bury your comment, meant to digg it!
- Bokista, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Such a shame nobody has a WebmasterWorld login...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Heck, yes, I care about .info. I paid special attention to it in my htaccess file in disgust, banning all domains with that extension. Since then, I can check my access logs and actually find a shred of useful information in them seeing sites where actual human beings linked to me from real web pages.
Is there a single site with a .info domain that *isn't* spam? If so, please provide an example. I've never found one yet. - tsaylor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This just means that ICANN is going to get competition. If their registrars are overcharging, someone will start a competing DNS system. The desire for profit will bring smart people in to make solutions, and drive down prices for consumers.
- pinetree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If people want to digg a version of this story that doesn't require a stupid subscription, try:
http://digg.com/tech_news/Tiered_pricing_coming_to_top_level_domain_names - crilen007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But it is important.
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6How about an open market?
Nah... the people of soviet earth could never handle anything like that. - tsaylor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They will if it's cheaper and thus attracts better websites.
- nesquik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2A service that I check out quite often is a .info domain.
http://www.hostip.info - shaolinpunks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1binsearch.info
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4verisign = trash, look , they own "jamster" those annoying spam commericals on tv, also they have the ad /fake links when you type words wrong like www.whatever.com if you type it wrong you go to one of verisigns sites... i remember when ICANN first started charging for domains, the internet was furious, it is that time again
- idreamincode, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@cgreentx,
how is it their right to make money off something they did nothing to promote and build into a full business? So what if we used to pay $100 for a domain. That stopped me from starting a lot more sites than I wanted to make back then. $8 a domain really lets you be creative and not invest much money.
And I believe it used to be $100 for a 2 year registration and there were no options for a single year. I hate Verisign with such a passion and also registerfly.com now as well. - gendjinn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Wojjie
The example you cite is de rigeur in commercial real estate, it is called Percentage Rent and is based upon volume of sales. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3A direct link would be: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-28jul06.htm
not what you posted. Burried as spam.
(edit: too late) - mvandemar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For those of you who are commenting without actually reading about what's going on, I think you may be missing a few salient points here:
1) The registries can decide to up the cost of your domain name after you own it, making you pay whatever they feel you should be charged for renewal. So if you happen to a popular site, when you go to renew you could find yourself paying much more than you should have to, since it wasn't the registries who made your name popular, it was you.
2) Yes, at the moment it only applies to .biz/.info/.org, but it is setting a precedence, something that factors into the other contracts, such as .com and .net.
3) The contract also allows for registries to make commercial use of traffic data regarding domain names. This means that they can base how many times your domain name was hot to determine your renewal price. That could pretty much put an end to non-commercial websites that have any sort of popularity. This would be completely untenable.
We only have till Monday, we really need to let people know about this and contact ICANN directly with how we think this will impact things:
biz-tld-agreement@icann.org
info-tld-agreement@icann.org
org-tld-agreement@icann.org - brianez21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My personal website (blog) is a .info because I could get the domain cheaper than a .com
My friend's forum is a .info, too. My other friend's business is also .info.
I would post a link, but that is "spam" - jizzatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The global elite banksters cannot stand the freedom of speech and expression that has prospered on the Internet. They are reeling from the fact that people are turning to alternative news outlets and avoiding the elite's mainstream propaganda outlets.
The internet is a very real threat to their power structure. They will do everything in their power to ensure that they stay on top of the pyramid. So, this is why they are fighting against net neutrality and pushing these other measures, such as this one concerning pricing of domains. They will also buy up the main outlets for alternative views. Fox's Rupert Murdoch now owns myspace. I'm sure some major illuminist organization will buy youtube soon enough, and then start to take down objectionable content.
- manitoba98xp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Ainfo
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Being a registrar gets harder and harder. Thanks ICANN. FrugalName thanks you too.
- mzwaterski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3But isn't this how commercial real estate works? You can find a place to rent and you get a certain length lease with certain price garauntees, but at the end of the lease they can charge a price that they desire. Maybe the property value in the area has doubled and the space is twice as valuable. So, now you have to move down the street to a new space and hope that your customers follow. You forward your mail and hang up a sign for the last week you are in that space.
- casidnet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Domains cost money long before ICANN so I don't see how you can remember the internet being furious at them charging.
- ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Nice link... spam
- fyre2012, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Honestly, I can't see them gouging users of .org... i mean they're designed for Non-Profit ORGanizations... .biz certainly, and I think it's a good idea, but if anything .org should be cheaper.
- GnuTzu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Cybersquatting has gotten really sick. People often look to see if their new domain idea isn't already in use, but squatters tied into name servers harvest the new idea and squat it before the originator of the name gets a chance to register it (http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=6247#comment-217589).
This pricing thing may have been someone's idea of a way to beat this kind of thing, but I don't see it as solving anything. It really sounds like more of a tax on name selection. - buss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1(that should say "because of the ease of typing", not pricing)
(side note: the edit feature doesn't last long enough, what happened to three minutes?) - AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Thats stupid. No one will use an alternate DNS system.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"The chances of registries not gouging people for their domain names are small, since they are out to maximize their profit and have no concern about your business model."
You're right: that's why we have a government. - johngault, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2buried as spam
- carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3opps:
http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-28jul06.htm - carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5webmasterworld.com is THE forum for webmasters, there's nothing spammy about it, infact it has the most strict forum guidelines of any forum that I know of.
It's also host to the who's who among webmasters, both good and bad. Representatives from Google, MSN and Microsoft are all active on it, and provide a ton of valuable info.
Please, with all due respect, verify your knowledge before passing on judgement.
Here's the icann link if you want it directly:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/rv4.cgi?f=25&d=3059492&url=http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-28jul06.htm
But the WMW is NOT a pay for site, only a few of the sub-forums are. There's plenty of free info available to the non-paying public.
Chip- - buss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2This isn't how real estate works at all. There is a finite amount of property, so there is justification for price increases depending on certain variables. Also, rents are not raised based on the success of the business (IANAL but I wouldn't be surprised if this practice was indeed illegal).
With domains, the availability is essentially limitless as long as you don't mind a really long name. Short names are more valuable because of the ease of pricing, but they're all parked and so the market is already taken care of (since they can be bought from the domain holder for a bunch of money or have a domain auction). There is no change in cost for the domain reseller based on the length or wording of a domain, so any increase in price by the reseller itself could very well be taken as price gouging.
The implications of this could mean that any popular website would be charged an ever-increasing fee for their domain because its so valuable to that website. The resellers have every incentive to raise that price as high as it can possibly go. Remember, the free market is great but not perfect. Sometimes things need to be kept fair. - thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3this is not acceptable
- ingusmat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Buried as spam mostly for shouting "IMPORTANT!" in the title.
- GoChris, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3spam
- flyingcow, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I think you guys are all just overreacting.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION! Whoo hoo!
Hmmm...something with a greater demand being priced higher. What the ***** are they thinking!
(sorry guys...like every other aspect in life, you are ALONE in this outrage.) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2why do idiots reply to their own submissions to be the first comment?
- cgreentx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0@idreamincode
Considering that we used to pay $100 for a single year it seems a worthy investment to pay up for any domains you are likely to continue using. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2I was able to get to the linke fine without a membership.
Maybe you just suck at the internet. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Just pay up your domain for 10 years.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Maybe you can just suck my big hairy tube.
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