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- str3ama, on 10/12/2007, -13/+31good tutorial, but here's the problem - this shouldn't reach the frontpage - it should be common knowledge but not make the frontpage - the reason being that once it hits the frontpage, some journalist will pick it up and write about how theirs a workaround for pandora and eventually the RIAA will start bullying Pandora further. So instead, share the information discretely with as many of your friends and relatives and whomever as possible, but keep it away from the prying eyes of the RIAA.
- wellyuk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Am from the UK also and never had any problems. The zip code 90210 works great for me!
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Looking at the statistics, it appears that users from Beverly Hills are more likely to register for US only websites. Curious.
- Cwo655321, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12the description should say 'script kiddie' rather than 'hacker'.
- anthonywr, on 10/19/2007, -0/+7I purchased at least 20 CDs of music I discovered on Pandora. Since I live in Australia and have been blocked, I no longer buy music.
Dear music industry, when will you get it through your thick skull, the demands and profiles of your customer is changing, ***** keep up!. - banjokelly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I've been using it from Ireland for the last year, and it was even working on Wednesday for me. But it's blocked this morning. Pain in the ass Riaa. When are these people going to realise that you can't stop data from flowing anywhere in the world? Also, it's not just international listeners who are in trouble. The whole of the pandora project and other internet radio providers have had their per song fee to the RIAA quadrupled. They may not survive.
The Riaa have two choices:
1) Come up with a royalty model that's realistic, not too greedy, and takes account of modern technology and people will use it.
2) Continue to go around trying to block things, and kill legitimate internet radio stations like pandora, and out of their ashes will come more pirates who don't pay them anything. - gertin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Since when does using a proxy make you a hacker?
- Troopy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm in the UK and I can still use it?... Is this something waiting to be done?
- xHellfire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5According to http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/ we should still be able to get on it after today here in the UK.
"After a year of work, only the UK and Canada have shown enough progress for us to feel comfortable allowing continued access." - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I was able to sign in yesterday, and late last night, I thought somehow I was getting away with it - until I tried to log in just now;
"Dear Pandora Visitor,
We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for most listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.
We believe that you are in Ireland (your IP address appears to be bla.bla.black.sheep). If you believe we have made a mistake, we apologize and ask that you please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com
If you are a paid subscriber, please contact us at pandora-support@pandora.com and we will issue a pro-rated refund to the credit card you used to sign up. If you have been using Pandora, we will keep a record of your existing stations and bookmarked artists and songs, so that when we are able to launch in your country, they will be waiting for you.
We will be notifying listeners as licensing agreements are established in individual countries. If you would like to be notified by email when Pandora is available in your country, please enter your email address below. The pace of global licensing is hard to predict, but we have the ultimate goal of being able to offer our service everywhere.
We share your disappointment and greatly appreciate your understanding."
*****. - Valarauka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ever since yesterday (May 3rd) they've been ordered to do so, apparently.
- pjmalone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Im in ireland and my connection to pandora through firefox which I opened yesterday is still working :-)
Now if OS X or Firefox dont crash and i dont restart or update firefox ever again ... I will still have pandora.
But seriously I am going to miss this service a lot. - svenjick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I repeat for those who haven't understood: Pandora has, as of the 3rd of May, introduced IP filtering, so the US-zip code trick doesn't work!
The proxy solution seems good, although Pandora isn't currently working for me ("our engineers are scrambling to fix the problem...") - kidcodea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://seeqpod.com is great. thanks.
doesnt have the "know new stuff similar" based on the genome, but cool to make the pandora loss more bareable.
all proxys somehow gimme a pandora experiencing difficulties try later... weird error.
***** riaa. - fofusion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They have only just been told to block non-us listeners.
They tried to block based on zip codes - you need a valid zip code to register.
But yeah it's easy to workaround - Most web servers are based in the US so just run a proxy script and your sorted. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe they are so close to a deal with Canada and the UK that they are making exceptions?
I have written itunes and advised them that Pandora is how I make my selection for purchasing tracks.
No Pandora no itunes.
I'll just go back to renting more movies.
Sounds to me also that many prominent people in Canada listen to Pandora.
So they may be bringing some pressure to bear on getting the CRIA to move quickly on this.
Many Canadian artists are featured prominently on Pandora.
Also this industry gets a great deal of funding from the Canadian government.
Every blank recording item is taxed and the funds distributed among the artists.
I'm just speculating of course. - oblongmouth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We'll probably get blocked soon.
I'm accessing from the NHS, so expect to be blocked in the next week or so.
Last.FM is great here anyways, try that. - jaknet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Still working for me in the UK on firefox. Used a US zip code to register ages ago and my login email is .co.uk. Will have to see how long it runs for. Fingers crossed
- wyrlor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Wait a second, they block users from outside the US? I know that anyone from outside the US is not supposed to use the service but I've been using Pandora directly (without any tricks) from Germany for quite some time now and I've never had any problems doing so. Do I understand correctly that they usually block such access?
- Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use both, they both use radically different selection algorithms that turn up completly different music
I much prefer how pandora chooses new music, but like last.fm's social orientation and scrobbling, so I used to have pandora scrobbled
but now I cbf using the workarounds to use pandora anymore, thanks RIAA, screw you too - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2cwo655321 - What script? Nay, it should say "tutorial follower" or "proxy user".
- Po0py, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'd imagine there might be a problem or two trying to stream music through a proxy. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
- jaknet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just to update. Tried Pandora and it's still running fine on firefox in the UK for me. Have not had to change anything still using the same zipcode started with ages ago. Long live Pandora
- esquilax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i just connected in Toronto without having to input any personal info.
Is this a sign of the upcoming invasion? - aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I thought the whole point of Pandora blocking international users was because that was the only way it could (legally) stay open. If you all start hitting it from overseas, and posting stories like this on Digg, the Fourth Reich.. erm... RIAA are going to have more lawyers swarming over Pandora than wasps on a dropped jam sandwich.
I hope this isn't going to be the number all over again. Just because you CAN do something illegal, and WANT to do it, doesn't mean you should. (or at least, don't broadcast the fact) - Philluminati, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Lol, your a mature digg user to quoting that old numbers. Kids today wouldn't know what it meant!
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Pass it on; ***** THE RIAA!
(That's not an acronym.) - denacem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nah i thought the UK isn't going to be blocked
- PhireN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I couldn't get any of these methods to work, oh well no more pandora, p2p here I come
- a0me, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1YMMV but the free proxies almost never work with streaming contents
- TrevorBradley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I was able to log in just now and it works just fine from Vancouver, Canada.
- Psykus2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"It is about boycotting music to damage RIAA."
Right, because the RIAA owns every piece of music on the planet? They own the concept of music? - PhireN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Script-kiddy would be a better word. Too bad its not all javascript like the new napster, that was easy to hack. Looks like pandora now has an server side script that detects your country based on ip
- anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From their blog:
"After a year of work, only the UK and Canada have shown enough progress for us to feel comfortable allowing continued access." - nazsco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is a move of the chinese government! RIAA is working with the communists!
Imagine everyone listening to pandora over proxies, there will be no bandwidth available for subversive chinese blogs! - Splutterbug, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I always used to just put my zip code in as 12345 and it worked fine in the UK, I'll have to give it another go
- lochness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, that's what we've all been doing but it's kinda not gonna work anymore....
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/483784791_ebf0d1c6a0_o.jpg
And Pandora will block the proxies (at the behest of the RIAA) as fast as people find them. - IzeasGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey, it's hard to negotiate this stuff when your business plan relies on a law that ONLY EXISTS IN THE US. They're a business, they have to abide by the law. This isn't even a civil disobedience thing, there's no user-bullying or whatever involved.
- svenjick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The solutions listed in the article won't work most of the time, because these "open" proxy servers are all (black)-listed, and Pandora having done things "properly" intercepts these connexions.
However there are possible other solutions. One would be to install your own php-proxy (for ex: PHProxy) on a free US hosting with php... Any other ideas? - cornholed, on 03/15/2009, -0/+0i like grooveshark icebergradio/live365 winamp last.fm pandora is pretty ***** deadly tho :( heres some alternatives i found cruising around http://globalpandora.com/Pandora_Alternatives
- GangsterCompute, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So this information gets out and a journalist catches it. Word gets around, and some agency is not happy about it, and institutes changes. These changes prompt someone to come along and try and work around the new changes. The new hack is the dope, but soon word spreads, and now some agency is hopping mad. So they institute changes...
- dotslash2, on 05/17/2009, -0/+0the normal proxy route doesn't work for Hulu, the flash player block streaming via proxies. I had to use OpenVpn to connect to one of the proxies I subscribe to and then stream through that works fine.
Pandora is much easier -
http://www.anonymous-proxies.org/2009/05/pandora-p ... - jimmiss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Pandora works in Canada just fine. Always has.
- Devanstator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Or..
Step1: Remove all non-US music from Pandora an host it elsewhere.
Step2: They can restrict what's left over. - phoomp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm relieved that I'll still have access to Pandora in Canada, though I feel bad for all those other international people who will loose access as a result of the RIAA's hubris.
- cornholed, on 03/15/2009, -0/+0i dont want to sound ike i know it all cause i dont i only know what i have tryed and what does and does not work for me and what use to work for me and now doesnt..the use to's are all now the dont nomores. hotspotshield..worked for a while then it hasnt since..tor use to work but i guess it to has gone haywire.web proxys never have worked for me with pandora.hide my ip (worked like for a week doesnt nomore. proxys in general never have worked for me..my finale opinion about pandora and the rest of the world.pandora's dead to anywhere but the states. (unless my isp is ***** with my ability to access pandora) wich i wouldnt doubt but i do however actually doubt it. its all *****.
- gjzilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0BoyCot: Not very practical, but I see your point, based on how the RIAA acts. ~~~~
- Eddiethescot, on 04/09/2009, -0/+0Forget all these complex tricks to get around what you are doing and where you are doing it from. These guys at jumpto media have software specifically designed to secure your transmissions and choose what country you wish to appear to be in. I got it running in 2 minutes and its super fast and its free! Works for Pandora but seems they are having problem with hulu.com right now.
www.jumpto.ca - banjokelly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Aliquana - I think Pandora are safe from regulatory sanction even if we international listeners connect to them through these proxy based methods.
They were always for US internet listeners only - this hasn't changed. The only thing that has changed is that the regulation is now updated to take account of the fact that IP based filtering is within any site's technical ability and in internet radio's case is a superior method of ensuring listeners are truly US based than asking them for a zip code. While Pandora objected to the new regulation they are still 100% in compliance with it, just as they were with the old one we found so easy to get around. This is why they have not been shut down up to now, and won't be even if international users use US based IP address proxies - Pandora are still compliant.
The RIAA will be happy for a little while whatever happens. They've succeeded in spoiling the party for a lot of people, because not that many will know how to set up a proxy, or go to the bother. But until they think up a truly creative way to replace their antiquated royalty revenue model they shouldn't congratulate themselves too much. Their problem is the harder they restrict the existing plumbing delivering the music, the more pressure to get it delivered is created elsewhere. It's like a prohibition. They just can't win unless they give up the idea of controlling it. - GangsterCompute, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you use the RIAA as a guide to music worth listening to, you may have mediocre standards and perhaps have not ventured far outside the little cubbyhole of mainstream Clearchannel radio. I can understand how this might lead someone to believe that music is useless. Let us clarify.
Following underground artists is the most dynamic musical experience you can have short of producing music yourself and engaging musically in a scene. Try it out -- I promise there will be false starts because there are a lot of garage bands out there and they can't all be good, but if you persist how could one but promise that you will not find some of the most satisfying, agitating, thought-provoking, planet-shifting ideas, wrapped up in the seemingly harmless data of an mp3 or handmade CD-R?
The world is brimming with all the ideas you could want to hear of. Not all of the world, surely, is under the apparent protections of the RIAA. -
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