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- dedmond29, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23While I liked the resources here, that ad that appears the first time you access the page is very annoying
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15w3c... should be every web developers friend...
- Avor, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16How about we just ask Microsoft to start following open standards and make everyone's lives easier?
- NerveBand, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13That was a seriously ***** article. Active X? You don't NEED that for web development. And neither do you need the IE specific HTML tags. And the box model? Try again please.
How about instead of these ***** lists, try reading W3C, 40 times, memorize and breathe that site. Because this site sucks ass.
Buried. - Tarantulus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14How To Develop Web Sites For Both Internet Explorer And FireFox? Make it for Firefox and then break it to work in IE...
- andyduncan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Is this article from 1997? IE has a "quirky box model" ? If you're not running in standards mode, that's true, but the box model has been fixed in standards mode since IE 5.5.
Where's the discussion of IE's float issues? Where's the genuine javascript "gotchas" like Safari not properly reporting HTTP response codes on failed XHRs? "Pick a browser and stick with it" ? Are they f-ing kidding? - chazcross, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6If i told a client that the most used browser is going to get a broken view of his web site and refuse to do anything about it, I would not have a happy client anymore and could possibly lose out of future business from him/her and referrals from them.
- ThatsUnpossible, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Some of us live in the real world...
- tony23, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7You must not work for someone running a real business...
- afx1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Remind me not to hire you.
- unrealmp3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Dunno what he is talking about..
- ryandle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5you are an idiot, just thought you should know
- techmonkey4u, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4correction: w3c should be every *browser* developer's friend
- chazcross, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I have done layouts for dozens of sites and had very few problems turning any design our designers produce into a site that displays the same in IE6/7, Firefox, Opera and Safari.
IE can sometimes be a bastard but our biggest pain is Safari by far.
I cringe everytime one of our clients main browser is Safari because we are going to have a lot of javascript issues.
My last client was very very upset that he had to give up Safari and use Firefox to edit his site. We use TinyMCE for our text editor. - suxmonkey, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6This is still really important, despite everyone's love of and preference for FireFox - a lot of people (especially non tech-savvy ones) still use IE so unless you want to cut them out of the equation you should really cater to both of those browsers and more.
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Code for standards and afterward cater to any browser bugs you care to.
- ArthurSucks, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7What Ad? Ain't you got adblock?
- svivian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Who on earth dugg this poorly written, unresearched piece of drivel? "Pick a browser and make everyone else stick with it, too" ?? Dear God...
Here is the one and only (pretty much) rule for cross-browser web design:
USE THE STRICT DOCTYPE AND STICK TO THE STANDARDS
That is all. - Oronar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Pfft. Why would you want to live there? We have candy and cookies here.
- scooby0110, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Not only did you just make a stupid post, Ive seen like 3 or 4 more posts you have made today and they have all been stupid.
- estvir, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You present a convincing argument.
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2If you start out developing for firefox (or better yet: standards) you will find other browsers (opera, safari, etc.) will work much better with your site without extra effort. It will also reduce overall time spent.
- andyduncan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2And what, besides HTML and Javascript, do you propose that those class files contain? Flash? HTML and JS are here to stay, whether you decide to build proper libraries for yourself or not.
- blueire, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Why do people continue to write this drivel? If this trend continues there will soon be more articles on 'making your site work in ie" than there are porn sites. The only enjoyable part is realizing half these morons have no idea what they are talking about, and are merely regurgitating the same stone-dead information as 5 million other hacks in a sad attempt at informative writing.
- ellisgl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Next thing is that he won't support the Linx browser. Don't be lazy - make it work - I'm sick of the sites that have a script to render the page "No you can't view this page because you are using browser whatever". A really bad analogy is that a web page is a water fountain and there's a sign that says "Whites Only"..
Also not everyone will be a.)Figure out to install FF b.)Don't want to install FF c.)Do not have the access to install FF.... - davidwasman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3A List Apart is another good friend
- waz67, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What the hell is up with that Ricoh ad that takes away the color and then hijacks your first click?
- bluestranger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not a good article for cross compatibility. The examples are lame and it doesn't introduce new JS libraries (prototype, jquery, YUI, Mootools etc) to overcome JS compatibility issues.
The entire article doesn't have a single line of code. I can't see how this would be valuable at all to a developer.
no digg. - ShinuToki, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865
- nrgamble, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1w3schools is a resource for web developers, so their web stats are slightly skewed to favor Firefox, since what web developer in their right mind would use IE. (they even make mention of this below their stats table)
Refer to Wikipedia entry for results from multiple sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers - davidbattley, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1perhaps someone should let the digg devs know about how to cross develop. The unix/linux section is broken in IE. http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/New_Digg_Home_Page_breaks_the_Linux_section_on_IE
- Oronar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ads? What's an ad? Is it this mysterious white spot on the page?
- rodgy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5Firefox is spelt wrong, it's Firefox, not FireFox. And why just IE and Firefox? I'm pissed off with this narrow-minded mentality. Firefox users are doing what they used to fight: They're favoring only one browser, it's Firefox and only Firefox. Come one, there are other good browsers. I prefer Opera, don't ban it. Don't ban IE people either.
- techmonkey4u, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Take your spam elsewhere.
- veenenen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I always try to do as much as I can to make everything work for 99.5% of people, but I always stick some fancy :focus css code just to give the opera, safari, and firefox users a little extra eye candy. Because, you know what, they deserve it. :)
- uuhclem, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Lousy site, but not bad article, I think this is fine advice from the end:
IE may have a big installed base, but coding for IE first is not something you should do unless you have been ordered to do so. My own habit has been to use Firefox as the baseline for everything -- since more browsers tend to render like Firefox than they do IE -- and then make any IE- or other browser-specific fixes after that.
Works for me, its hard to ignore 90% of the market, but I always 'fix' for IE and use safari... - fr34k5h0w, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's not a bug, that's a feature!
- twenty3inhouse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1try posting the print version ***** wad:
http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=201802175
perhaps i should add the douche bag icon ;-) - actionscripted, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1How to develop websites for both IE and FF: LEARN CSS AND (X)HTML.
Put your god-damn, college-taught, ***** copy of Dreamweaver down and learn how to hack something together without using buttons and mouse movements. If you can't hand-write your own site without auto complete, or a little button labeled "Insert Table..." then you can't do it, and I can't get behind that (Rollins/Shatner).
WYSIWYG editors only save time if you don't know exactly what you're doing when you're building your pages. If you're constantly writing styles and markup and then "testing" them to see how they look, you fail. Learn what those little words do and you won't have to do any guessing, ever. You'll know exactly what your page is going to look like before you load it into a browser, and by knowing this you can learn exactly what works and doesn't across various browsers.
At this point, if you're writing your CSS properly you really shouldn't have any show-stopping rendering issues. If you do, then you need a copy of CSS Mastery and a good text editor. - afx1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1it wasn't because you called IE users stupid.
- Stonekeeper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1IE will always be the most popular browser whilst people bend over backwards to get sites working with such a retarded piece of software.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1And, IE cant display XHTML when its set to XML instead of to HTML
- afx1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1universal reset fo sho
- RMoore08, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Lets make a www.whyIEisblocked.com
- ellisgl, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1FCKeditor I believe has hacks for Gecko / Safari
- chillin411, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The author failed to mention anything about using a reset CSS stylesheet - a tiny bit of bloat for little to no headaches later. That will help out way more than anything the author mentioned.
Yahoo has a fairly decent one, that should solve the majority of cross-browser issues - http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/reset/ - smart88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0You can use videos at http://freevideolectures.com/webdesign.html
- topherbook, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1But if you make an XML declaration in your head area, it sends IE into Quirks mode, too. I do everything in a strict doctype, but I still have to hack for IE and its incorrect box model.
- andyduncan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1or if you even put a space or newline in front of the doctype. My point isn't that IE is perfect, my point is that you should be avoiding quirks mode in all browsers if you're trying to do cross platform development.
What are you doing in your XML declaration that is worth having to deal with IE quirks mode? - ih4cker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Mirror:
http://icache.ihack.co.uk/?u=http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201802175 -
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