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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+65That's 2009...
Damned millenium bug.. - gfnw, on 10/12/2007, -5/+57I was going to write an in-depth comment on this, but I realized it could be summed up in just two words:
LOL MPAA.
Yes I'm aware both are acronyms but still. LOL. - Abatrour, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43Did the Piratebay ever get their servers back?
And is there ever going to be legal action against the people who organized the raid? - prthealien, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35Wow, they have such a great government. It totally defeats the two-party system we have here in the US.
- dasil003, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34I would vote for them too. Not because I think piracy is right, but because the RIAA and MPAA don't play fair. Suing kids who are downloading files, lobbying for infinite copyright extensions and installing rootkits on people's computers is morally bankrupt. If they simply used their massive resources to develop a good pay service and embrace new technology they could have massive success. Here's a hint... a commercial service will generally be better than a free service. Kids with no money and some geeks would probably continue to download illegal stuff, but its a drop in the bucket compared to the general public which would readily embrace the right kind of service. The way things stand now I'd rather not put any money in their pocket at all... movies and music are luxuries, so it's easy to simply stop buying them. Shutting down piracy will not change that, but it will create a lot of sour grapes.
- peanuckle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33It would be interesting to watch if the Pirate Party became a dominate political party in europe.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31That article just inspire me to join (www.pirate-party.us) and make a difference.
- john2kx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28You're right, file sharing is the least of South Africa's worries.
- Ravenhaft, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34I would vote for them. Dugg and wish I could digg it twice, but one will have to do. That article seemed very well informed, optimistic speculation, obviously, but we can't help but cheer for the underdog against the current regime. Although I'm sure Sweden still has a far better government than the USA's.
- johnny23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28I'm not so sure. I think a body of government made up of smaller parties with that were focused on only a few issues would be better than having only two parties that are trying to please everybody.
Smaller parties would be more knowledgeable about their own issues instead of having some ass hat like Ted Stevens talking about the "series of tubes" called the Internet. How can a larger party be experts on everything?
I imagine having smaller parties with no majority would force the politicians to (gasp!) cooperate with each other, making concessions to get their own agendas moving forward. Wouldn't it be something to have policies struck down because they are bad ideas, and not just because the idea came from an opposing party? - bejitunksu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Um, the pirate party isn't FOR copyright infringement, they're for getting rid of crap like DRM and stopping the RIAA from suing grandmas.
https://www.piratpartiet.se/English.aspx - Quakes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26As far as I know, they still haven't returned the servers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27the pirate party! rock on!
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Read Washington's Farewell Address. The two party system is a perversion.
- dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Yah two parties and district representation ain't no democracy. Do something about it, dammit !
- kilps, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23The idea of the Pirate Party facinates me - it almost gives one that little desire to start one ;) - but as I am in South Africa I cannot decide if something like that would be acceptable? I mean is it alright to worry about file sharing and stuff like that if your country has the highest HIV infection rate in the world?
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22"Although I'm sure Sweden still has a far better government than the USA's."
I was thinking the same thing. What an idea, government funding if a party has a certain percentage of the vote. That way parties don't need money from special interest groups which are bound to cause corruption.
To bad in American high schools we don't learn much about how other governments work; let alone, learn about how this government does. American high school education, sigh... - MiDri, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20@hagnar - Are you retarded? What does HIV stand for -- wait for it... -- Human immunodeficiency virus. What does AIDS stand for?... Acquired Immuno Deficiency Syndrome. So I have NO idea how one could not see how HIV is the cause of AIDS... HIV attacks your system to the point you are diagnosed with the more serious syndrome, AIDS.
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22"wings in their sails" indeed.
- dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20You must be an american with no idea how other people do stuff differently.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18No, they haven't got them back (at least as of July 18 when they wrote about it on their new web site). They're running on other servers right now. They had no problems receiving donated server space. As long as the investigation is still going on, they will likely not have their servers returned.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17I'll switch from 'R' to "Arrr!"
- Eastman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17The Pirate Party does not bitch about DRM. It is for example against things that threaten privacy and fundamental human rights, such as surveillance of the nation's citizens without any direct reason. We don't want carte blance warrants where the police can enter anyone's home and snoop around without specifying a reason. Nor do we want people opening our mail, be it electronic or written on paper.
- MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16There is a Pirate Party in the US:
http://www.pirate-party.us/
The reason why this party is not so successful is that:
a) No servers in the US have been attacked unfairly (mainly because BitTorrent and similar servers would be illegal in the US) so there less advertising for the party.
b) Americans don't seem to mind losing their rights as much as Swedes. - stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Well one thing that the Swedish pirate party fights for is the abolishment of medical patents simply because they kill people in areas like yours by denying poor people existing medicine. The file sharing issue is just a tiny part of the agenda, there is lots more, like privacy and personal freedom from big brother.
I see no reason why you couldn't think these things are important and well worth fighting for, even though there are other issues that may be more severe. Richard Stallman has some interesting opinions on that, no matter if you think he is right otherwise or not, he feels that where he can do most good is by programming and advocating Free Software, because that's where his skills lie; doesn't mean other issues aren't more important, just that others are more suited to take care of those. And isn't it like that with everything?
Go ahead, be a pirate! But be it for all parts of the word, not just copying of bits and bytes. - beedun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I wish this was happing in the US as well as Sweden.
- mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I'm happy to see this. Current copyright law is completely ridiculous. The original intent of copyright law was to provide an incentive for content that would make it into the public domain. Since no content enters the public domain any longer (except that which is intentionally released), copyright law is so badly broken it's actually worse than nothing. Copyrights need to be reduced to a much shorter term.
- MonkeyFit, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19You're right dagonweb, it's not a democracy. It's a republic. The United States is a democratic republic. True democracy is where you get everyone together to vote on everything. This is far too impractical for a country our size, so instead we get together and elect officials to represent our districts, the idea being that if they don't do a good job, they don't get re-elected. Unfortunately, far too few people don't pay attention to what their reps are doing, and go to the polls voting for something they know nothing about. But because they voted at all, they feel like they are doing their civic duty, when in reality, they are most likely just screwing themselves.
- Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It is like that in Canada too. Some complain because it does give the small parties more power (since they often hold the deciding vote). And it can slow down government bureaucracy. In other words, the big parties are in favor of an efficient dictatorship. They will never get my vote.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15http://thepiratebay.org/blog.php
I dont see any mention of the servers being returned... - Eastman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Worth mentioning and keeping in mind is that the Swedish Pirate Party's 3 cornerstones are personal integrity, keeping culture free, and the fact that patents and private monopolies are detrimental for society. We are all not just simply file-sharers, only wanting everything for free.
- dasil003, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15hagnar, that sounds like some real crackpot *****. Why would there be a huge scientific conspiracy about AIDS? It's like saying that global warming is a liberal conspiracy. The numbers of scientists are far too big, and the potential benefit for any group is far too small. Let's see something peer-reviewed instead of some sensationalistic web FUD.
- doswarrior, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Arrrrrg! Good luck to yee mateys.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12You should remember that intellectual property, unlike real property, is entirely a construct of government, and has little or no basis in natural law. The copyright clause in the U.S. Constitution was controversial at the time the document was drafted. It is not unthinkable to radically modify how intellectual property is handled in law.
- rogueman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16"I would vote for them too. Not because I think piracy is right,..."
Actually, there is a moral argument for supporting piracy. Not that it's perfectly all right, or course, but that it is minor offence and should be treated as such. It's arguably less harmful then littering, since in many cases the "offenders" wouldn't buy the copyrighted material anyways, so there is no damage whatsoever. If that is the case, it's moral and ethical to "litter" all over the street in order to stop this crime from beeing treated like it's a big fat theft/contract violation. A bit like burning a flag, if you will :) - jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I dont think people get arrested for file sharing in South Africa, do they?
- meawake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Honestly, I don't necessary support Piracy but just I disagree completely with a lot of laws voted, DRM, big media companies dictating their policies to governments. I just find that repulsive.
I would vote for a 'Piracy Party' with the hopes they would influence the governments they are part off to speak the mind of the 'people'.
I think it is time for a global shakedown to remind all these big corporations that power should be in the consumers and that the best companies should win by pleasing their consumers and not locking them in and suing them as soon as they can. - TheAce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14You are forgetting that it is the law that defines what a crime is. The question is, is it the law or the crime that is flawed?
- DracoFlameus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Actually it's the way most European governments work... multi-party-system... u got to love it ^^
- Eastman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11The main stances are protection of personal integrity, for free culture, and against patents and private monopolies.
- Eastman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10What you mention in your first paragraph used to be a concern for me, as well, but in my experience it works well in practice. At least on an individual level. I have a black bandana I wear when I am out, with the word "PIRAT" printed in big white letters on the front. People always ask me what it is about, and when I tell them I am a member of the Pirate Party, they usually get very fascinated and want to learn more. It peaks curiosity, and opens up for contact, and dialogue :)
An added benefit is that while most young people seem to find politics old, dusty, and stale -- mention "the Social Democrats" or "the Christian Democrats" and people often shut off immediately -- the Pirate Party seems interesting and seems to stand for issues that immediately matter to them. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"I dont get how a party promoting crime is allowed."
You seem to have much to learn about democracies. If no parties "promoting crime" (actually it's more about promoting laws to not make it a crime -- some difference there) could exist, how would a party be able to decriminalize actions? Or are you saying they should never be able to by new parties?
"One of the many good things about running the country is that you get to choose what is legal and what is illegal."
Yep, this is what democracies are all about. The government is there to serve the people. - Dark_Lord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That's the way it works in Canada, every vote provides the party with a small amount of money. This allows parties who do not get their MP's elected to still have funding to run again next election.
- Stoutlimb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Imagine that. A country that actually encourages new political parties by giving them funding based on percentage of the vote. As compared to the US who actually outlaws third parties in some states. And which country is "spreading democracy" around the world? I wish Americans would wake up and realize how sick their country is.
- Eastman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I hope no one is holding a cutlass against your throat, forcing you to be one ;)
- lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The Pirate Bay and the Pirate party of Sweden is not at all the same organisation nor do they have any relationship more then there interest in balancing copyright laws. However the Pirate party has Personal Privacy and abolishement of Patents as issues as well.
When one really thinks about it, all the issues that the Pirate Parties run is strenghtening democracy rather than going the despotistic way we have sen in the past rescent years. Hence why I definetly will vote for the Swedish Pirate Party. I do not belive you will find a more open party than they and hopefully they will bring honour and dignity to the parlaments and governing.
Be Pirate, vote Piratpartiet ( www.piratpartiet.se ) - arrenlex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10
It's all well and good that TPB is trying to get into politics, and I'm sure I could agree with their stances on P2P sharing and piracy, but there is more than that to a political party. If they're trying to get into power, they have to take stands on taxation, education, defense, and all those other things a good government does. The reason Green Party isn't in power anywhere is not because people hate the environment, it's because the platform is too narrow. Save the environment -- okay, and then what? What are your party's stances on everything else? Personally, if I lived in Sweden, I would review all their policies well and hard before voting for TPB. - bairy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10It took you longer to write that comment than it would have done to just scroll past the story.
Don't you just feel proud? - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"If you see the movie without paying, you are violating the owner's right to do what he wants with his property"
There's no property involved in copyright infringement. We're talking about violations of distribution rights, not property rights. Call it theft all you like, but you have a long way to go to convince people that sharing a copy of a DVD with a friend is the same thing as if someone were to take that DVD away from them. - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Copying is not the Pirate Party's only goal. They also want to crack down on privacy, and restrict the power of the police to raid and imprison without evidence. Shame that it came a little too late for them.
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