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How Pirate Bay Became Hollywood's No.1 Enemy

guardian.co.uk — Operating under the sign of a Jolly Roger, The Pirate Bay website hopes to evoke a buccaneer spirit: swashbuckling swordsmen, or perhaps the pirate radio stations of the 1960s. But as the internet's number one destination for illegal downloads, it has elevated its founders to the top of Hollywood's most wanted list.

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  • ChromaVita, on 10/10/2007, -6/+103Now if only Hollywood would start making more movies that were actually worth paying to see...
    • Jambi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15But how would those movies tie in with merchandise? Sure, a film like "Taxi Driver" was great, but how are you going to make a Happy Meal toy out of Travis Bickle? Now, if Travis Bickle was a computer-animated hedgehog voiced by 50 Cent, THAT would sell Happy Meals!
      • Chicken2nite, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5riiiight, cause 50 cent is kid friendly?
        • Jambi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Seeing as I've seen kids (around six or so, I'd guess) running around with 50 Cent hats and T shirts on, yeah (ain't modern America great?). Also, in this case he'd just be the voice of the cartoon hedgehog, in order satisfy the Hollywood execs' need to cater to the hip-hop market.
        • Chicken2nite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4at that point, it really isn't taxi driver anymore though. What would the pimp be? or Jodi Foster? and what would you do with the whole presidential race plotline? the whole movie was an indictment on the system and the way in which none of it makes any sense or has any resonance with the world in which Travis Bickle lives in. None of it makes a difference. If you were able to work that into a subversive kid friendly cg movie, I'd probably watch it though.
      • Ratteler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1These days, I wish Hollywood would make movies worth pirating. It's bad when everyone want to steal your product. It's worse when they don't.
    • epicstruggle, on 10/10/2007, -8/+12Actually they have, or are you saying the following movies werent put on p2p sites: Knocked Up, Superbad, The Simpsons, Transformers, ....

      Hell, you could have a bonified instant classic and it still would be put on a p2p site within hours of release. Most who pirate really dont care about the amount of effort/money that was put into making the movie/game/software/show, its all about getting without paying.

      Anyways, time to get buried.
      • Jambi, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Nah, I'm thinking that he's saying that the movies you mentioned weren't worth paying for. Having paid to see the Simpsons, I sure as hell would have gotten my money back if I could.
      • Mysk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I only care about the quality of a movie. I don't care about how much money or time went into making it.

        Thankfully you can tell fairly easily if a movie is going to suck or not by watching the commercials. Hollywood has a habit of putting out the same kind of ***** - as someone else has sad, it's very formulaic. They also tend to rely way too much on CGI.

        Personally I don't like wasting the amount of movies per month that I get from Netflix on a piece of crap, and I don't watch enough movies to justify upgrading my plan.

        I haven't pirated a movie in a good long time, but I definitely understand why people do it. How many times have you watched a movie and thought to yourself, "thank god I didn't pay for this"?
      • Chicken2nite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Transformers was all over the place and personally I don't see why I would need to see either Superbad or Knocked Up on anything bigger than a 20 inch screen, unless I wanted to enjoy the communal experience of seeing a movie with an audience, something that is generally only good for the opening night where you have the built up anticipation in the room. Give me a cheap download and I'll give it a go (5 bucks would be the magic number if they wanted to maximize viewership) but that would cannibalize DVD sales and rentals right now.
      • ChromaVita, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, i saw every movie on your list in theatres, Super bad i saw twice. I paid for those movies because i thought they were good movies worth paying for.
    • aywwts4, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22Hell, they don't even make movies that I want to pirate.
    • UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4Even if they were worth paying for, people would still get them illegally. Think, then comment.
      • PixelVision, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10It's true. People will pirate whatever the costs. I think it would be less, but people will still download things. One thing that really needs to be done is to make going to the cinema more enjoyable. like no young kids after a certain time whatever the movie rating, people who check their cell phone for messages during actually ejected, good prices for concessions, and one thing which really pisses me off is the trailers that run after the so called start time.
        • AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2cinema should be for people who want to go there, and those of us who'd rather invite some mates round and watch it on the home theather should be able to get the movie at full hd quality on demand day of release in cinema :)
        • phoomp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Exactly. The entertainment industry needs to focus on improving the cinema experience. They need to start treating bittorrent as competition.
        • phoomp, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Exactly. The entertainment industry needs to focus on improving the cinema experience. They need to start treating bittorrent as competition.
  • badassninja, on 10/10/2007, -2/+42What a great write up as the pirate bay keeps on waving their middle finger at the USA, RIAA and the MPAA. The guys the pirate bay do have 50 foot balls and for that we all have mad respect for them.
    • ChromaVita, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1750 footballs? Why is that extraordinary?
    • epicstruggle, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3Dont forget all the small actors who are also part of the movies being pirated. Screw them too, they really dont need that residual pay.
    • maz2331, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Until a stealth aircraft bombs thier datacenter, and it gets blamed on "terrorism"....
      • badassninja, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Oh, it is going to come down to that. I was really looking forward to them buying that island. Then the RIAA and the MPAA would have joined together to buy some ships to go over there and blast them out of the water. Then the pirate bay would call for aid and me and my friend would have went over there with guns...... yeah.. that's a war I would die for.
  • purpmint008, on 10/10/2007, -6/+19Long live Pirate Bay!
    WAFFLES! AAARRR!
    ***** all MAFIAAs...
  • holygram, on 10/10/2007, -3/+78"How Pirate Bay Became Hollywood's No.1 Enemy"

    I don't think we need an article to tell us why Hollywood doesn't like the Pirate Bay.
    • frisbeeman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+33It's because Hollywood is full of ninjas right?
    • hshadow914, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0yeah but it's a mildly entertaining article.
      "It's pure, ruthless greed — or total naivety." -John Kennedy
      ruthless isn't a word i would use to describe them...
  • krnldmp, on 10/10/2007, -6/+45When the best actors, directors, and producers make less than 200,000 a year I'll call it a legitimate industry.
    • weeFred, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6No they should put that money into finding new talent and making new interesting films that are of high enough quality that people will want to see them at the cinema. I'd rather they give a small production a chance than allow Tom Cruise to reach thetan level 29.
    • agimat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Silly rabbit.
    • maz2331, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Nothing wrong with making big bucks. Just don't be an ***** about it.
    • issachar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, film is one of the few industries where obscenely high salaries can be justified. (For the top actors at any rate). Paying Tom Cruise millions to make a movie makes sense because many people will go to see it simply BECAUSE it has Tom Cruise in it. Paying another equally talented actor won't make as much money because he isn't as popular as Tom Cruise. Essentially, Tom Cruise possesses a unique talent that no one else does. (Being Tom Cruise). Since he has a unique "talent" that can generate millions of dollars, it's entirely legitimate for him to charge millions of dollars for that "talent". This fact is particularly true of formulaic blockbusters. Mindless action movies without big names just don't make that much money.

      Now if you want to talk about obscenely high corporate salaries I think you're on firmer ground. It's difficult to see what unique talent CEO X has that CEO Y doesn't have. In that situation it seems much more likely that the high corporate salaries aren't linked to corporate talent, but rather to the fact that the top corporate decision makers essentially set their own salaries. Meanwhile, the shareholders don't rebel because it while those salaries are insanely high, they don't really affect the profitability of the company.

      In any case, where do you pull that $200,000 figure?
  • Jon211, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18And still all the big players in media do is whine rather than join the 21st century.
    • thewindfish, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0I agree with you, but I've still yet to see a good model of how this could be done effectively. Will people really take to a "21st century" method of distribution if it's offered? Piracy is just as prevalent today as it was before Itunes, etc. I mean, let's be honest; the reason I download movies or music on the net is because I don't want to pay for it, not because I'm not being offered the type of product I want.
      • Chicken2nite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I download movies and tv and music in order to give it a go; there's no barrier to entry. The article makes mention of the fact that those who download the most are the ones who spend the most on media, which goes along with a previous story about how DVD sales are the reason why CD sales have gone down (people only have so much money to spend). I was in Futureshop today (Best Buy to you yanks) and they had what I thought was almost the neatest device I've ever seen in a music store: a pair of head phones hooked up to a bar code scanner, allowing you to scan any cd and give it a listen. The problem is that it only lets you sample the first 30 seconds, which just isn't enough if you're trying to listen to a Pink Floyd album that only has 5 tracks (each of which are approximately 10 minutes long). After listening to a downloaded copy of Animals (something I had grabbed way back in the day and hadn't listened to in years) and really enjoying it, I bought the album for a road trip. The reason I went to Futureshop was to buy season one of The Wire, an HBO show that I had heard of and downloaded and truly enjoyed. 50-60 bucks is a lot of money to lay out for a blind buy of a show you may not like, and since most HBO TV sets go for 90 or so, I would be wary of paying unless I truly wanted to own the show. Then you also have the aspect of the market where prices vary over time and tv shows get bundled into even larger box sets at a discount and also the rise of high def, people may very well be reluctant to invest.
        IF THE STUDIOS WOULD GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND OFFER A SUBSCRIPTION MODEL FOR TELEVISION (AKA ON DEMAND) THEY WOULD CLEAN HOUSE
        • gossipninja, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i agree, making people switch formats every 5 years is stupid and hurting the industry. My parents just starting buying dvds last year and now hi-def is on the horizon, and with 2 competeing formats, no one wants to outfit their home library only to have it outdated by the time they are done.
          CDs are great for music and i think will be here a while more, digital is great, but people like record shops. CDs also offer good enough quality for joe consumer in that most people dont notice a difference when compared to hidef audio and very few bands would really benefit from surround sound mastering.

          also you point about trying before you buy, TV studios are getting smart in streaming shows, many shows you cant just watch a random one, you have to follow the order so its good to be able to catch up during the season, or if you are late the game you can catch up. I think law and order is so popular (there are so many of those now) because it truly is episodic, there is no overreaching arc that goes on the whole season so people with busy schedules (older people 30ish+) can watch at their leisure.
      • Chandon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Stop looking at this from the "how do artists get paid" perspective for a moment and ask yourself these questions: How many people are made criminals because of today's copyright laws? How many college students should be bankrupted by lawsuits over this? What would we have to give up for these laws to be broadly enough enforced to matter... computers that can edit video files? Debuggers? The right to have our mail stay private?

        Artists making a living is great, but it's not worth giving up the right to mail privacy or the right to own a generally programmable computer over it. And that's completely ignoring the realities of how artists get paid in the real world - even if downloading were 100% legal, people would still buy movie tickets and go to concerts. Hell, they'd even still buy DVDs and CDs if they were reasonably priced.
  • pamon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14arrrrr
  • wiifm69, on 10/10/2007, -10/+32 million hits/day and they do not profit from it, yeah right
    • bhattsan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6ads?
      • lcmatt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Now think about the cost to keep a website like TPB online.
        • thewindfish, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Seriously. If anything, they're losing money.
        • Anteros, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I would imagine not very much as the site is text based, very few images. Bandwidth and servers are cheap these days.
        • aadnk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2@Anteros: Sure, but the vast amounts of hits does add up, and besides, The Pirate Bay isn't their only project. Have you heard about BayImg?
  • scott88008, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9"I started off copying disks on my computer when I was eight or nine," he said. "You should never tell people where they can't go or what they can't do." Wow!
  • VocalFX, on 10/10/2007, -2/+36***** the MPAA
    • swoopdog, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6***** the RI double A

      ***** the suits behind the BSA and ***** em all for the DMCA!
  • wilf_brim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15I'm continually amazed at how the mainstream media fails to understand the first thing about torrents. You'd think by now at least some of them would have a clue.
    • issachar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0What on earth makes you think they don't understand torrents? I think they probably understand how they work very well. What I think you fail to grasp is that they don't care HOW they work, they care only about the EFFECT of Torrents.

      (Namely that they enable piracy).
  • llamapalooza87, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9A more interesting read would be "How Hollywood Became Diggers' No.1 Enemy."


    Seriously, I would love to see all the crap the **AAs have pulled written down somewhere.
  • ludditte, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6Pirate Bay is ok, but the real action is in the private trackers, quality is usually much better and all those
    acronyms ending in ...AA don't have the time to check them all. Anyway I use to tape off the FM radio
    and use the ol' VCR to record movies off the movie channels, then we would exchange cassettes between each other, this is only the technological evolution of that (non-criminal) behavior.
  • joach, on 10/10/2007, -0/+27"Gottfried Svartholm"!!
    A name cannot become more Scandinavian! These guys are not Pirates. They are Vikings!
  • Codee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Odd. Bit Torrent wasn't mentioned in the article once.
  • lcmatt, on 10/10/2007, -8/+15I would stop pirating instantly *IF* they did the following:

    1. Cinemas - Reduce the cost to around £3-4 (Its currently about £6-7)
    2. DVD/Albums - Again reduce the costs, DVD's to £8 and albums to £5
    3. Stop producing so much crap.
    4. No DRM or other anti-piracy junk (See Bioshock for example)
    • frankenfag, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Not me. The RIAA/MPAA racket has gone too far. Game over. I buy used, or I download, and encourage family and friends to do the same.
    • issachar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I don't believe you. Mainly because 3 should be irrelevant to whether or not you pirate. If you think it's "crap", (i.e. you don't want to watch it), then it shouldn't matter whether or not it exists because you won't be watching it or pirating it anyway.

      Or do you fall into the crowd of "this is such crap I won't pay for it, but I will watch it".
  • Qtip42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11lol the one guy they quoted said PB was about greed. That's a laugh, aren't the RIAA and MPAA extorting money from everyone under the sun?

    This is what these big industries get for all the years of payoffs to politicians to pass their ***** copyright bills.
  • mpn401, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1I don't get it. How does The Pirate Bay stay up, while ignoring all the legal complaints they have up on the site?
    • Qtip42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16They are not based in the U.S. ............laws are different in each country. The U.S. can't (but tries) to impose their own laws on the world. ***** that. Corporations can't and shouldn't have that kind of control of this world.
    • mpn401, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Aren't copyright laws international? That's what I'm wondering. I thought it was even illegal to link to copyrighted material, being that they say they are only a search engine.
      • BobArdKor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6There is (fortunately ?) no such things as "international laws"... not yet at least
      • Ahnteis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3No. Copyrights are international (due to some treaties) -- but the laws enforcing them are different.

        >I thought it was even illegal to link to copyrighted material, being that they say they are only a search engine.

        Since ALL content is AUTOMATICALLY copyrighted, pretty much everything you link to is copyrighted.

        Here's a fun one for you BTW: Search google with "filetype:torrent" after the search term. (Unless they've changed the command words.)
        • meno911, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Google is filtering all torrents I thought.
    • aadnk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Because they reside in a country with sane laws.
  • sctwp09, on 10/10/2007, -15/+6In Soviet Russia... Pics or it didn't happen WTF? But... Will it blend? Will YOU blend? Pwned /sarcasm !!!!!!11!1!one!!eleventy!!!!! I for one welcome our __ overlords I'm in ur __ __ing ur __ Made with Adobe® Photoshop® Software
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    2)??????
    3)Profit!!! Digg me down! I can has ______? There aren't any girls on teh internets The internet is a series of tubes My tubes are clogged! Ninjas > Pirates Pirates > Ninjas Google it, noob I'd hit it The PS3 sux!! The Wii is for losers! I'd hit it
    • maz2331, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think all bases are covered with that one.
    • fantasticjon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1IM IN UR DIGGZ, LISTIN' UR MEMES.

      edit. nevermind. he did have that one.
  • Nadare, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9TPB needs to exist not just for us pirates but for some companies as well, no longer does a company need to spend massive amounts of money on bandwidth and dedicated server costs when they can just make a torrent of a file. Like a movie trailer or game demo. So please let's not forget that the site can be used for legitimate purposes as well just as Google can be used to fine serial keys.

    The RIAA and the MPAA need to get over themselves and understand that each download is not a lost sale.
    The money people earn is finite, if they don't spend it on watching films or buying albums they spend it on something else.

    • Chandon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The Pirate Bay is about a copyright-free world - explicitly not about uses that are legal in the USA. Your comment definitely applies to the Bittorrent protocol, but not to TPB.
  • Aksumka, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I don't know about torrents anymore. I got my second warning today for copyright violations. Both were from my torrenting.
    • OHiggins, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Try not using public trackers dum dum
    • EmperorAwesome, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Lemme guess, comcast making your anus bleed? Switch to a private tracker.
    • Kinjiru, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6How about you wake up and get a clue then...

      Hint: Peer Guardian
    • issachar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Then stop fool. Some people wonder if they'll get caught. You don't have to wonder about that anymore.
  • jimonastick, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1http://duggmirror.com/tech_news/How_Pirate_Bay_Became_Hollywood_s_No_1_Enemy/
  • jcm267, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I need to settle an argument, I'm at work so most torrent websites are blocked. Would I be correct to say that in order to send and receive a torrent the sending and receiver handshake and give each other's IPs to one another?

    From my understanding, these torrent sites only create indexes of what's on a user's PC and don't actually transmit any data.
    • Ahnteis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The torrent sites just list torrents posted by users. (Some grab the posted torrents from more sites than just their own submissions.)

      When you download (or seed) a torrent, your IP is sent to the tracker so that the other clients in the swarm know where they can get bits of the file from. Most trackers are set to not log that information, but anyone connecting to the torrent might be directed to you IP as a connection for part of the file.

      The torrent protocol isn't very good at all for privacy. It's great for distributing files without paying for gobs of bandwidth.
    • AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1the torrent file only contains a hash of the file being shared

      trackers containt ip details of all users sharing that file
  • mjesq, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Hollywood must learn to capitalize off of this. Why didn't they look at Napster back in 2001 and think this is going to hit our industry hard...maybe we should own the website and service that does it!!!

    Instead they said, sucks for the music industry...too bad for them. Has nothing to do with us...idiots!
    • meno911, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1They can and are...It's less about profits and more about control...control over what you like and don't like...what you're exposed to and what you're not exposed to. People can be free so long as you get to control the information/media they are exposed to; otherwise you can let them think but have to control their actions by brute force. Have you noticed how much the Interweb has changed in the last 3 years?
  • draebor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Someone should make a big budget movie about the struggle between TPB and the MPAA... then someone else should post the screener and dvdrip torrents.
  • scottykempf, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4"I certainly don't see them as romantic pirates: it's out and out theft," says John Kennedy, chief executive of the international music industry body IFPI. "It's pure, ruthless greed — or total naivety."

    Yeah, as opposed to the music industry guys, they are all just daisy wearing puppy lovers.
    • ludditte, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Yep! if you have listened to , let's say the last Madonna cd, you have to wonder who the real pirates are? The industry charging you $20 for crap, and $750 per track if you get caught in the US for d/l or the guys not charging you for the same crap? Anybody who takes the side of a Bronfman and their trust fund is not well in their head. (Let's keep in mind that the Bronfmans made the family fortune smuggling alcohol from Canada to the US in the prohibition days, another great American idea)
  • mbraynard, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Live as a pirate, die as a pirate.

    With the money at stake, I'm a little surprised the industry doesn't go for a black bag operation and wipe out all the people involved at the server location and destroy all of the equipment. No, it wouldn't stop all peer-to-peer theft, but it would take out these guys.

    Normally when a group perceives itself as not being able to get justice, it inevitably turns to vigilantism. Unless they are wusses like the Tibetans in which they bend over and take it.
    • maz2331, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Just don't piss off Ted Nugent.
    • Chandon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That probably wouldn't work out in the favor of the movie industry. The last time their servers got stolen, they were down for two days. If all three of the guys involved were killed, I bet they'd still be back up inside a week - there are just too many pirates in organizations sufficiently close to TPB that their lawyer could hand DNS rights and backups to.

      And that's totally ignoring the PR results - it's damn hard to win a political argument by killing the opposing figurehead.
  • Backwards2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Old News. Who cares!
  • meno911, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Ideas are and should always be free! Music is an idea (stealing the CD or the Music sheet is not correct). Movies are free too (Stealing the DVD or whatever is also bad). Once you are exposed to an idea if yours to keep for ever and to do with whatever you like. I am a programmer and get paid to program, but my code, one written, is free for all to use)
    • cliffski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1how does the company who pays your salary and the rent on the office feel about you giving their product away for free? get a clue kiddo.
  • zouhair, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Here is the first enemy of Hollywood : http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movies/browser.php?navsection=movies&type=&genre=&subgenre=&tomatometer=10%&avgrating=&numreviews=&mpaa=&letter=&decade=&year=&video_format=&title_search=&person_search=&plot_search=&sort=NumTomatometerPercent+ASC
  • Repeater2000, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2This generation is enamored with itself isn't it?


    So us all a favor and keep your stealing to yourselves...
  • Kwipper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think that people pirate things is because they would rather get it for free than to pay money for it, espically with a lot of crap that is out there.

    Piracy has save me hundreds, if not thousands of dollars in crapware.
  • peestandingup, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sites like the Pirate Bay are gonna force Hollywood to rethink the current way they release their movies & thats a GOOD thing. Why should people have to wait months & months for a movie to be released on DVD just so they can watch it in their own homes these days?? Thats crazy. The old "hype movie>release movie ONLY in theaters, milking it for all its worth so the cinemas can sell their overpriced popcorn>start the hype again>finally release the movie on a format that people can watch in their homes" mold is gonna end.
  • lunisneko, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Why are they crying? People don't go "hey, I've got money to spend, but I'll download instead!" I pirate because I wouldn't spend the money normally. So sue me, it won't do any good, I've got ten bucks to my name, and guess what I'm not spending it on... Overpriced movies and music, that's what!
  • omgsoemo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2TPB does not cost that much because all they do is host text files.
  • AnnaBay21, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Long live Pirate Bay! hurrrrhurrrr
  • superdoug, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The RIAA sucks!
  • cliffski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1tpb are just a bunch of criminals earning a fortune in ad revenue while they give away the efforts of genuinely creative and talented people. those 2 ignorant swedes belong in a cell.
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