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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"NBC Universal has three employees who troll the site every day looking for studio-owned material"
I can only imagine on their resume: "Professional Youtube Lurker" - magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -0/+896 million!!!!! its not you tubes fault these ***** are spending money like its going out of style ... Desperado any one?
- GunbladeVIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Question: Friend or Foe?
Answer? Yes. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Hollywood = Foe.
What's the question again? - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I can't believe that anyone with any brains whatsoever would not understand that YouTube is "a friend" and creates Buzz. It's the future of media, now.
- xs650, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7YouTube Asks Hollywood: Friend or Foe?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The world asks Hollywood : Foe or Foe ?
- RandomVillian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If they started taking all of the money that they are sending trying to fight the consumers, and rededicated it to finding a way to innovate maybe they wouldn't be up a sh!tcreek. They keep screaming we're loosing money, yet they continue to spend it hand over fist to attack the people they are trying to sell their product to. Sounds like a mismanagement issue, which I don't feel bad at all about. RIAA, MPAA, TV Studios, DRM Enforcing Blood thirsty lawyers --> evolve or die, that's how business works.
- kday, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hollywood and Television studios aren't smart enough to see YouTube as a marketing tool. They just want to keep doing what they have been doing the past 100 years. Why should they change their formula when they think their current formula works well enough?
Now there are a few movies/studios/artists/etc that are embracing YouTube in a constructive manner. They are ahead of the game. Now the studios like NBC that go about policing YouTube are just going to lose the battle and not get anything out of it. Wait a second, isn't NBC a partner of YouTube? I guess they are a friend and foe. Frienemies? - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I understand your point but here's the thing. I watch several TV shows now that I had never watched before I saw the clips on YouTube. I see the commercials too.
I'm sure it is the same for millions of people. - RiverBelow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ummm its the studios being greedy. So what, you lose $2000 because of the few people who prefer to watch a movie in a low quality tiny window on their small computer monitors, while I can sit on my couch and watch TV on a 45 inch screen, then take a piss during the ads. Or go to the movie theatres and hang out with friends or whatnot.
They're not losing anything, its just rediculous *****. I cannot tell one time I sat an watched a 10+ minute video on Youtube, and I've never watched a movie on my computer even in Quicktime or a decent quietly, large enough window. - haggie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"distributes unauthorized clips"
There is no need to "authorize" the use of a clip of a movie. Its know as "fair use" and any website, blog, podcast, radio, television, or newspaper can do the same thing...
Just because Jack Valenti doesn't like, it doesn't make it illegal. and just because YouTube doesn't have the balls to stand up for its users rights, doesn't make it right for the media companies to threaten to take down everything. - wallyworld, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Yeah...well we're all sick of the Hollywood three-act pony. Some of the stuff on YouTube is out there...but most of it is crap. Luckily for moi I've just signed a $1.6 Million deal (today) with YouTube for a new show (working title "Fizzer - like Rocketboom on crack") . You can read about it here if you're inclined - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At9UFA8p-GI Can't tell you anymore but Hollywood can get stuffed. cheers, Les Miserable
- simpleid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1that's funny, it makes too much sense. ;)
- heaintheavy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You are either with us, or against us...
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1several more movies wtih the 'National Lampoon' label?
- ThatsUnpossible, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Sure, YouTube creates buzz. It also has negatives for the studio, in that you can easily watch programming for free, with advertisements removed. Since they make money from the advertisements, they are struggling with whether or not the good (buzz) outweighs the bad (lost ad revenue if advertisers feel the ads are not being watched).
So it's not just black and white as you imply. - Coyote566, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1NBC forced YouTube to remove the SNL clip of Jobs introducing the iPhone. It's clear that the video generated buzz and was in good fun. Clear to everyone but NBC apparently.
While NBC struggles to understand who is friend or foe, they should just remember the adage: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." That way, they can't lose. - bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hollywood should not be asking if YouTube is a Friend or Foe, but rather asking each individual YouTube contributor. While this is more difficult a task, its answer will be more meaningful. After all, if Hollywood cares about the content on YouTube, then how about looking to the *shock* content providers...the ones who upload and comment on the videos.
- Spanamana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Great article on how screwed the studios are. Damned all way round. Dugg.
- ThatsUnpossible, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@littlebylittle
Like I said, there's good and there's bad. You're hitting on the good, the buzz, people finding new shows and watching them on TV with ads. The bad is all the people that have given up on regular TV viewing, and simply download the shows and movies for free on their computer, with ads removed. Only the studios can tell what the net effect is. - Vironex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you have to ask...
- tostinni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.bugmenot.com/view/www.nytimes.com ;)
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Non registration link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/15/technology/15youtube.html?ex=1326517200&en=c78bfb0bb379a0c6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So they really think youtube quality is so good, that they are missing income ?
I feel so sorry for them - sashadavidovna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hollywood=foe. Also, stupid.
I personally know at least 10 people, myself included, who got hooked on a tv show over the summer between the first and second season because the whole first season was available on YouTube. All ten of us are now watching the second season on tv and most of us bought the first season DVD when it came out. The size and quality of the videos on YouTube simply isn't adequate if you really enjoy something and intend to rewatch it. Unfortunately, most of the episodes have now been taken down or made private, so now we're having to send people to sources of even more dubious legality to continue the kind of viral marketing that hooked us, if the DVD isn't available at their local Blockbuster or similar.
Like I said, Hollywood=stupid.
I understand the artistic objections to mash-ups, but speaking as someone who's had her interest piqued in several movies or shows by particularly well done mash-ups, I wish they'd reconsider that stance as well. It would be annoying to keep track of, I suppose, but if a director/etc. really has a strong objection to his or her work being used that way, perhaps they should announce it. Fanfiction.net refuses to accept fic based on works whose authors have known objections to fanfiction. It doesn't stop everybody, but it stops a lot of people. Heck, the fannish respect for George R.R. Martin is so high that writing anything longer than a drabble about the Song of Ice and Fire series is a good way to get ostracized in that fandom. - glozycom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 Live Stream and on demand Media Portal
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[reply] - irriadin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"NBC Universal has three employees who troll the site every day looking for studio-owned material..."
I find it amusing that they refer to this as "trolling." Damn NBC trolls! - moxley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, well, if you are a consumer it looks like 98% of Hollywood is treating you as a Foe.
The RIAA is definitely a foe.
The MPAA...foe.
You Tube is awesome but no longer has the Independence necessary to tell such groups to ***** off.
Google, is very much in bed with the US intel community, and there have been a few disturbing reports of censorship in the US, not even mentioning China.
Major media conglomerates...foe.
As far as the RIAA and MPAA; they can blow some dying cows. The heavy handed way in which they have subverted the legal process, fair use laws and conventions, and general artistry has pissed me off to the point that I now advocate piracy of any media which has ties to these industry organizations - I might even call it a duty when it comes to certain organizations - it's definitely a form of resistance.
As a sometimes developer and musician myself I always purchase anything which is of an indie nature, regardless of whether it can be found for free in the dark corners undernet. - jangeloca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The question is this , what sort of revenue could the Networks , Studios make if they made content very easy to obtain at prices that were so affordable you would not think twice about downloading it.
Imagine every TV Show , Mini Series , Commercial , Movie that you could get off the web and watch either with a minimal charge or by watching their targeted Advertising.
They could in effect get rid of the middle man of hard format distribution. - CloudNine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Fair use doesn't mean you can post unedited clips of TV shows - it's not a licence to do that. You've got to show a shortened clip, and criticise the piece in question, or indeed parody it.
- websnarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Hollywood: YouTube = foe. Now get the ***** away from it, so that we can marginalize you in peace.
- gomezfreak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They still haven't figured out that it is actually the diluted, recycled feces that they keep trying to feed us that's losing them money. Aside from House, and NFL football there's really not a damn thing on tv that I care to watch. As far as movies go well, um....uhhh....do they still make any good movies?
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@kneecarrot - you dude are one sick puppy.
- kneecarrot, on 10/12/2007, -18/+10It sounds like fun, but it would quickly become mindnumbingly boring. It's like my internship at the sewage plant. At first you think, sure, it would be really cool to scrape all the caked feces out of the clogged tubes leading to the treatment tanks. But then over time you start to get really good at telling what people ate, whether it was a man or woman, or if they have a medical problem. After I perfected the art of turd-surfing (jumping on a clump of feces and sliding across the floor), I thought it was time to quit. Once in a while, I'll still see the odd dog turd and think about the good old days.
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