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- Pepper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+92Shouldn't we be boycotting the RIAA -every- month?
- Guard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+84The RIAA will announce the internet is illegal.
- SystmBetatester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+78"we are not saying you should stop buying music and start pirating everything."
well its a bit late for that! i do support the my favorite indie bands though since usually they dont get much money, and i always try to get to concerts. i hope to see this on the front page today, Definitely digg worthy. - quimper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+75I have not purchased music for 4yrs. Its not that I have pirated content, I have just found other outlets.
- cypher35, on 10/12/2007, -0/+67I wish I could boycott the RIAA, I really do. But I actually cannot remember the last time I've purchased a retail cd or downloaded a song on iTunes, so I can't stop doing what I haven't been doing in the first place.
It's not like i'm a filthy pirate or anything, but the little music I get is usually unlicensed or imported or second-hand through friends or pawn shops. - imjustabill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+56I bet in April we'll be hearing "Our sales plummeted last month, so it must be people pirating!", and even more extortion letters will be sent.
- mvanzante, on 10/12/2007, -6/+61You can't hold off on buying the NIN CD for one month in order to send a message to the RIAA?
- alecks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+56Everyone on DIGG is aware of the RIAA and what it does... most of these same people are probably already boycotting in some form. The majority of the population, however, will never hear of this boycott. This is a noble attempt, but ultimatelly usless, as the Joe Shmoe's out there will a) not know of the RIAA b) not understand why we should boycott and c) won't hear about the boycott
- dt40, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41Buy used CDs and rip them. Advantages:
1) Doesn't support the RIAA directly.
2) No DRM.
3) Cheaper than new CDs, but the bits are the same (a 1 is a 1...).
4) Higher quality music than compressed formats like MP3, AAC. - Sarevok9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40I can almost feel the riaa suing GIZ...
- shertzerj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37FTA:
http://www.riaaradar.com/
What is RIAA Radar?
The RIAA Radar is a tool that music consumers can use to easily and instantly distinguish whether an album was released by a member of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). - Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36I'm in Gizmodo.
I don't buy from the big labels anyway, but a complete stalemate from a lot of people for a month ought to wake them up a bit.
Jimzip :D - Tygell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31Pretty much the same here. I honestly can't remember the last Music CD I bought, but it was probably in High School, which was 8 years ago.
- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24@ g20dh & diggless
It's 30 days..
30 days.. These people are suing 6 year olds for crying out loud.
Jimzip :D - andycr512, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23@bonch:
"I think this is silly. What "rampage" is he talking about? The RIAA suing copyright infringers to protect its aritsts' intellectual property rights isn't a rampage."
Yes it is. First of all, some little kid downloading tracks isn't hurting the RIAA. Secondly, what are "intellectual property rights"? Let's see, that's a really dumb term since it makes one assume information can be property, but it's current definition is patents, trademarks, and copyrights. Since music isn't patentable, and we are not talking about trademarks, I can assume you are referring to copyrights.
Now, when you say "protect the artists (copyrights)", you can't be talking about the music unless you don't know how the music industry works. The artist does not own any copyrights to his or her work - the RIAA gets control of that. Thus, none of the artist's rights are being violated in any RIAA-label "piracy" case.
Now, I will not go into history, but to say that copyright never was intended to do anything along the lines of what it now does. The copying of music, and sharing with your friends is, by all accounts, a perfectly normal, natural activity. The law has been overextended to apply to things it shouldn't, and as a result that normal activity constitutes "copyright infringement".
"This is just more scapegoating of the RIAA"
Scapegoat - one who wrongly takes the blame, or gets the blame tacked onto him or her, for another action or problem which was not his or her fault. This certainly is the RIAA's fault. It is their prosecution of an activity which is not harmful. Making bits not copyable is like making water not wet.
"so that pirates"
Pirates? What are pirates? Pirates are the people who steal, rape, murder, and sink ships at sea. I certainly don't think someone sitting at their computer allowing it to exercise it's most unique ability, copying anything infinitely at almost no cost, fits that image. Why are they called pirates? Because the RIAA wanted it to sound really bad, and they wanted people to think "Wait..... I don't want to be a PIRATE, do I?!"
...oh, and murder was already taken. They would have loved to call it that.
"can have somebody to blame"
What are they blaming them for? Suing everyone in sight for a normal activity? Sounds justified to me.
"when they rip an artist off by not paying him."
I'll tell you who rips the artist off by not paying them. YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE RIAA. The RIAA on average gives artists 3-6% of the proceeds from their album. What does the artist do? Make all the music. What does the RIAA do? They just distribute and advertise it.
Now, think for a moment. The artist gets, on average, 5% proceeds. 100 / 5 = 20 times more profit if they can somehow cut the RIAA out and get free advertising and distribution.
Hmm. How would we remove the cost of advertising and distribution? Let's break it down.
Advertising. How can we do that for free? Well, look at your browser. The internet is a GREAT medium for free advertisement. How? Well, by word of mouth, and the fan websites that are bound to spring up. Word of mouth is a powerful thing. However, for word of mouth to work you need that music in as many hands as possible.
Wait. What did I just say? Now we have a mindset of wanting AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN GET TO "PIRATE" OUR MUSIC TO DO SO!!! Wow, what a revelation! Widespread distribution creates widespread advertising. Widespread advertising raises the probability of music sales into the stratosphere. But how do we distribute it?
"PIRACY"!!! Harness copyright "infringement", though it won't be infringement of anything anymore!! Get the music to the people! Spread the word!
But wait, so many people getting it for free has got to hurt sales, right?
Of course it would, slightly. It certainly isn't as though everyone who downloads it for free would have bought it. That isn't true today, and it won't be true if the artists adopt this kind of a plan. However, remember that we cut out the RIAA. That means we can only sell one copy instead of twenty and still make the same cash. Wow.
But remember our new, more efficient advertising model: Worldwide, cross-city, cross-state/province, cross-country, cross-ocean word of mouth. That's got to raise awareness by 3 times or more, thus raising distribution and thus sales EVEN MORE!!
"The RIAA made me do it! I'm not the bad guy, they are!"
How would they make them do it? They DON'T want this to happen. If this plan were adopted, it would result in the death of the RIAA and more money for the artists. The RIAA can't have that. They had better nip this unlimited distribution in the bud, or else the artists will get wise... - darkspire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Agreed, it's amazing how little music I've purchased in the last five or six years. The music I have bought was purchased at concerts or from non RIAA labels. So many of us have been voting with our wallets and boycotting the RIAA for a long time now, but it hasn't had much impact because the majority of the people that do buy cd's aren't aware of what's going on, or are apathetic.
- marshall007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22I've been boycotting the RIAA ever since I downloaded utorrent
- taylorhayward, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22My music is free now, and always will be.
http://taylorhayward.org - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16People who strongly oppose the RIAA don't buy their products to begin with. I guess in March they are supposed tol refuse to buy these things more strongly?
- skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19This will help http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1248542035906402031&q=don%27t+download+this+song.
- plhearn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13This is a quote posted by digg user ryanmeffert regarding another RIAA article on the front page earlier today. I found it pretty informative:
First - we must define the RIAA. The organization is not rogue. It is made up of companies that we buy from. We have to stop blaming this sheep organization and start blaming the companies that make it up. Personally, I will never buy another cd as long as I live. I use Sirius radio. The RIAA complains about dwindling cd sales thus justifying the lawsuits of customers. Well I am not downloading illegal music but I will never buy a cd either. Loose loose for them. Unless of course its an indie artist. I buy indie artist cd's. You have to make a stand. Like a union we have to be willing to sacrifice in the short term in order to gain in the long term.
1st)
DON'T BUY FROM THESE LABELS: Virgin, Sony, BMG, or any of the below
Here is ther list of members: http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp
2nd)
Switch to satellite radio. First it's anti FCC which I am all about ***** them too. It is pro consumer. And it gives you quality music without buying cd's. There are personal and business players. They are cheap and cost $12 a month. The cost of one cd.
3rd) Send letters to your local Senators each and every time you read a story like this. Plague them with e-mail over the RIAA. Here is the site to visit to get your local Senators e-mail. It takes less time then it does to digg a post.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
I agree FCC suck RIAA is worse. Bitching is fun but action gets results. Take a stand! - nibster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14not to sound negative, but i doubt this is going to go anywhere. i digged it though.
- raulthepoolboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13which is why it is particularly important to write the RIAA explaining what you're doing and why... and make sure to CC that correspondence to your local news agencies. I'm sure this would make national coverage if several local news stations are reporting on it.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Effective boycotts take more than a month. Additionally, it doesn't help that most of the digg/gizmodo audience already stopped purchasing CDs years ago.
The people who need to hear this message are the ones that don't really care. They're the 13 year olds spending daddy's money on every Brittney spears CD, the southerners who just can't get enough of Toby Kieth, etc. etc.
It's not the tech-savvy, piracy-friendly digg crowd. - verifex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Many people boycott the RIAA already. But the problem is that there aren't many ways to get the music held hostage by the RIAA other then buying it from them. So the only way to close in on the "last-mile people" who still buy CDs from them is to find a way to direct them to another legal source to get that music that they want from RIAA represented musicians.
- screensnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10So Diggless, you support the RIAA and the people fighting against the RIAA. You just see the money you hand to the RIAA as similar to the admission fee at a boxing match? That's cool. I am sometimes entertained by watching a good fight, too.
jgrgg, pirating music won't stop the RIAA either. They have shown that they can make quite a bit of money by suing people.
On a side note, I think it's strange that RIAA is not in the Digg spell check dictionary. - Eccles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10You misunderstand his sarcasm. He's really saying he hasn't bought a CD since 1998 (or 1997). Note especially the Daewoo reference as indication of sarcasm, as they went belly-up around that time.
- RedHerringHack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Info distributed to everyone I know.
- niceyuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Sorry but the non-conformist in me will not allow me to join anyone in anything. I really just want the new album uncompressed, not in mp3. If I see it in a lossless format online thats how i'll get it. Otherwise, Walmart is less than 2 minutes drive from my house and I'm an impulse buyer."
I didnt realise that "non-conformists" bought RIAA produced CDs at Walmart. How very non-conformist. - discochew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The people who are still buying cds are the ones who don't have a problem with the RIAA, so this will do absolutely nothing.
- diggdotcom412, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9the people still buying cds have no idea what the RIAA is.
- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Good one. Me also.
It just takes someone with a bit of sway like Gizmodo to get this started. Then it's up to word of mouth.
Get everyone you know involved, cause these guys have been screwing people over long enough.
If you want to make sure you aren't buying albums affiliated with the RIAA, look them up on the RIAA radar:
http://www.riaaradar.com/
Peace love and mungbeans all.
Jimzip :D - ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I haven't bought a CD since Junior High and won't. RIAA can go ***** themselves.
- diggityiggity, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11@bonch,
How much did the RIAA pay you to post that comment? - Toupee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6For heavens sake, andycr is right. Digg that man up.
And if you don't believe him, Courtney love does the math.
http://www.jdray.com/Daviews/courtney.html
And in fact the RIAA is trying to lower the amount of money they're required to pay artists.
http://digitalmusic.weblogsinc.com/2006/12/06/riaa-moves-to-reduce-artist-royalty-payments/ - sekhui, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5taylorhayward, you win. took a chance on your link :)
- Flummoxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@g30ph
"Sorry but the non-conformist in me will not allow me to join anyone in anything."
Ever dugg someone's comment or submission? Guess what, you conformed by agreeing with someone's idea! Oh no! - genesisblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I stopped buying CDs a looooong time ago after the "filler" songs started to piss me off.
- simondotcalvin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Better yet... Buy music from record labels that actively oppose the RIAA like Nettwerk.
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=107623
http://www.nettwerk.com - cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The one album I wanted to buy in March, Arcade Fire's Neon Bible, isn't distributed by the RIAA! Yay! Count me in!
- shark72, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"DON'T BUY FROM THESE LABELS: Virgin, Sony, BMG, or any of the below"
The battle's already being won. Virgin has closed up shop. Some of their lesser-known artists are being dropped; others are being merged into Capitol. A couple thousand people have been laid off. My congratulations to everybody whose boycott (either through piracy, or just not buying music) has helped make this happen! - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Those people can learn though...I've "learned" at least 10 people on the evils of the RIAA.
On another note, I have an anti-RIAA shirt from 2600 and I had some hollywood people in CA question me on why I agreed with piracy. I said the shirt was about the breaking of DVD code so that I and others could use the DVD player on a linux os. Why am I forced to use MS or OSX to watch a DVD I legally purchased? I know region codes are easily cracked...but why (besides greed and control) do they exist at all? - ArchonSG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why only a month?
Hell, I have boycotted them for more then two years now.
I haven't bought anything that belongs to the big 4 labels in a long time and if I did, it was only because its the one in a million gems they released.
Stop buying crap.
Stop giving money to people who treat you like crap.
Stop being happy recieving crap. - jacobed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Sent to everyone I know.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There's tons of independent music on iTunes.
- Drood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've not bought RIAA produced music in any fashion since mid 2001. So I can just continue as normal to join this boycott.
- zirtbow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This should work as well as that EFF petition...
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
as in.. it probably won't do squat. - MScrip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4> "I stopped buying cds since i got my car... and dont sound good in my car."
So, CDs don't sound good in your car, and it's the CDs fault? I'm confused... - Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Why is raul getting dugg down?
He's got a point.
Jimzip :D - b3mus3d, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Kind of tempted to digg down for 'spam', but...
"my music is free to download, free to play, free to broad-cast, and free to reproduce in anyway for any purpose. "
that's pretty admirable. -
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