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- flipmeat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+57Fluffy and almost completely content-free, featuring broad generalizations!
- JD52, on 10/11/2007, -0/+38WTF is "DOT com work culture"?
It's called keeping your employees happy. Universally seen as a good way to run a business. - outgun, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24I'm in the Web 3.0 waiting for the rest of the world to catch up.
- meshman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13"Enter Web 2.0 work culture"
This guy needs a refresher course on what the Web is. - dotorg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13No, its not. It seems like it when you're young or in the middle of it, but with hindsight, its a culture to devour the lives of the employees while making them feel happy. Its a culture to kill corporate productivity. Its a culture that amounts to dangling the carrot of "coolness" in front of younger people who don't realize that life is not about 80 hour weeks and that 99.9999% of people working in that environment don't, as it turns out, end up instant millionaires.
In the real world of companies that are run responsibly to employees and stock holders or investors people work *gasp* 40 hour weeks, don't leave work stressed out, and have lives of their own. Contrary to popular belief, people crank out more work of quality when working 8 hour days, 5 days a week on projects that are properly managed than sleeping at their desk and working 100 hour weeks. A good engineer has just so much time they can produce quality work a day, and foos breaks don't really recharge them mentally the way they think they do.
The way you keep employees happy is not wasting money of frivolous things that end up meaning someone gets layed off in the future. You give them realistic tasks and goals, don't micromanage, give them the space they need to work comfortably and hold them accountable for their work. Balance makes people happy. - bananatree, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12And it's here to stay... forever!..... (please please please please)
- bwhite, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I work for a very large company and my department/division is completely separated from the corporate "folk". We wear whatever we want and have a really flexible environment (not to be take literally ... I mean ... I don't work with a bunch of Gumbys).
- RobbieS, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8This article was *****.
-The "Dot-com" work culture never left. It just left for all the ***** hack coders who were cruising by with meager skills. Just as mentioned "the $100k HTML/Javascript jockeys" are lone gone. They disappeared because they had no real talent in the first place, and that's what happens. The companies that had really great engineers are still around, and are still treating their employees well.
-The guy who take a paycut to Google...for whatever he lost in pure salary, he almost sure got back in stock options. An important detail to gloss over. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Web 2.0 = news stories followed immediately by a comments section with pastel colors and animated text boxes.
Seriously- that's it. Fancy eye-candy message boards. - sucks, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7the definition of web 2.0 is the greatest mystery since michael jackson's sexuality
- GRANDPAMUNSTER, on 06/11/2009, -2/+7Anybody see the report a few months ago about Google. It looks like an incredible company to work for, lots of fringe benefits.
- NinjaBoy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7We went to 3.0 decided it sucked and reverted back to 2.0
- crawfishsoul, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Whoa there, settle down slugger. Who shat in your Wheaties this morning?
- MattS, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4And 9/11 had no effect outside of the US? Who is "generalising" now, eh?
- dext3r, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Who decided that growing up = boring cubes, boring people, drab walls and no new ideas?
- molecool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3We've got a foosball table at work, which gets plenty of use after 6:00pm. Great way to wait out the L.A. traffic and vent some of the stress. I don't think that it's a sign of decadence or complacency.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I rarely hit "OK, this is lame" with more satisfaction.
- thomasb227, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Google buys a galaxy starts turning off stars in it so it reads as one big ad. There is no escape save a blackhole
- molecool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3eXactly - the 'business as usual' culture we've been experiencing after the big bust has been to squeeze as much productivity out of each employee as possible. 12 hour days have become the norm in many IT depts - at the same time the suits are making more $$$ than ever and us engineers haven't seen a decent payraise (above inflationary increases) for 6 yeas.
- Jerim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Here's the thing though; to get what you want you have to work hard at it and be exceptional at what you do. There is no entitlement that says every young IT drifter should get a great work environment. I don't work for one of those companies that offers twice daily concerts out in park behind the building. But then again, I am not exceptional at learning. Get a good education, work hard, and learn something new everday. I tend to think that people who focus more on learning, land their dream jobs; rather than someone who spends all day dreaming about their dream job.
- RichOfTheJungle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I just don't want to work for Initech, which I'm guessing is very similar to 70% of the jobs people have on here. I know mine is. Where are these "cool" and "laid back" and apparent "Web 2.0 Work Ethic" type companies?
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3except that most web 2.0 sites don't fit that description:
flickr,
gmail,
igoogle,
last.fm,
facebook,
del.icio.us,
reddit,
technorati,
netvibes,
youtube,
etc.
i find that people outside of the web development community usually have no clue what web 2.0 is and why it is significant. if you aren't familiar with o'reilly media/o'reilly & associates then you probably aren't within the circles that these ideas are used in. just because it's not meaningful to you doesn't mean that it's meaningless.
of course it's always the most ignorant who enjoy railing on it endlessly anytime web 2.0 or ajax is mentioned. just like the detractors who claimed web 2.0 was just a big flop and AJAX is a passing fad that will fail like java applets. yet almost every major web application has adopted the technique as it's just part of the natural evolution of web applications.
but hey, you do whatever you need to be trendy online... - tincansandtwine, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3If you could do that and get paid for it, wouldn't you?
- rhabd0mancer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Mmm, free tooth decay. Hope MS has a good dental plan.
- Dangerman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+41) It is a lame way of saying that websites are applications now.
2) Tim O'Reilly - counterplex, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Web apple.lemon here. We're so far into the future we don't use numbers for versioning any more :)
- Fullvinyl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I'm not dignifying anyone that confuses "morale" with "moral".
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6**Looks around**
pssst..... This is digg, ya' know? - tech42er, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The Man.
- eatsushi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4This blog sucks. Buried.
- gigah, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2reminds me of that old IBM commercial w/ two young guys sitting across from three venture capitalists [roughly paraphrased from memory]:
VCs: Do you have a product?
DotCom: No
VCs: A service?
DotCom: Nope
VCs: How about a website. Do you have a website?
DotCom: Yeah! Oh yeah! We have one of those!
VCs: Is cash OK? - Dolomite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Much of the blogosphere should be given credit here. They are the ones who kept much of the dot-com culture alive during the transition from Web 1.0 to Web 2.0.
- lujoko, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3buried for pointlessness
- Wooglar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Maybe you're right. But after working here for 3 years with all the "grown ups" I've realized that I have plenty of time to do that (and I sure hope I'm not here when I grow up). I'd rather be grown in a work environment that I'm comfortable in , not in a gray cubicle for 40 hours a week.
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2my friend who graduatedf rom Santa Clara University doesn't have a Ph.D. and she works in their advertising department.
i don't get what your incoherent rant is complaining about. so some people there don't have an advanced degree--so what? - counterplex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2is someone bitter?
- AsSubtleAsABrik, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Dugg for Spinal Tap comment.
- whiteyMcBrown, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I work for a web/advergaming company and I've definitely noticed the office becoming 90's dot-boom style. There are nerf guns, bean bag chairs, a foos ball table, arcade machines, bubble hockey, free soft drinks and ice cream, lots of free beer, an XBOX 360 and a Wii... And it's not retarded... it's so you can work the crazy hours they demand and still take relax breaks. Lunch times are definitely better with a MAME arcade machine.
- vonnegut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1FWIW some companies think they are being cool by having pool tables and other games. In my experience, the sysadmins are too often shooting pool and screwing around rather than keeping their systems up and running. Personally, I'd limit games and such to lunch time only, especially while servers are bouncing daily.
- MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Can I get a web 2.0 job pls?
- smackhero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1hence the spinal tap quote at the end: "the less things change the more they stay the same." you just called the article ***** and agreed with it. way to go.
of course there are still people complaining that all their jobs are being outsourced to india when only low skill-level work is really being exported. - c0ldfusi0n, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It's time to take off that uncomfortable suit and put on those comfy jeans you left at home during the dot-com crash. And while you're at it, grow that tidy corporate haircut out, let your facial hair run wild, and visit your local tattoo parlor so you can show off some visible ink.
The word is out. IT rock geeks are back in demand and stereotypical "dot-com" culture (and smell) is back in vogue. Managers are again in a bidding war to compete with their rivals and new Web juggernauts like Google to retain their best employees by offering a laid-back environment to benefit staff moral, retention and productivity.
Enter Web 2.0 work culture, the future of yesterday.
According to this year's Deloitte study of 500 CEOs finding, hiring, and retaining top IT talent is on top of the high brass' agenda for future growth. According to the report what is making the situation worse is the impending retirement of baby boomers who are leaving the workforce in droves.
"Technology companies, which rely heavily on top talent to drive innovation, will suffer especially from this global problem" said Deloitte technology media and telecommunications industry group leader, Damian Tampling, who thinks that the shortage will become a crisis for the industry for decades to come, particularly in Australia.
It's fascinating to think that almost five years ago the total opposite was true. Dot-com was a dirty word, saying you worked in the industry was something one didn't readily admit unless you'd had a few beers. And that's if you had the cash to buy a few as many found themselves out of a job, their salary was on freeze, or had to take jobs at half the pay of what they were demanding during the boom.
Folks who had yuppified previous urban dank centres of San Francisco, Sydney, Melbourne, and London were having to sell their properties because they could no longer afford to live in said dank bohemia anymore.
Global recruitment companies were telling prospecting employees that they were no longer going to be employed just because they were a technical guru. They were going to have to learn to dress, communicate, and adapt all the traditional corporate ideals that IT has been exempt from during the dot-com boom.
Fast forward to Web 2.0 and while workplaces aren't as cheesy with their decor as they were were in the late '90s, and developers aren't getting paid $100K for being HTML and JavaScript jockeys, geeks just aren't chuffed with corporate culture.
I recently heard of a developer taking a pay cut of around $40K a year to leave his business intelligence programming and consultancy job to work as an engineer for Google Australia. It wasn't the money that necessarily was keeping him around but the lure of working on innovative projects in an environment where lunch is provided, developers get to work on their own projects, and most people have passed a stringent brainiac litmus test before being employed.
Not all people can take such a drastic pay cut and keep the mortgage but the reality is that people are looking past the dollar signs to a more flexible work environment.
It may not be a total bean bag environment yet, and here at CNET Australia we're still looking to re-instate our Street Fighter 2 machine, but it's creeping in more and more. Web consultants with big ideas are back in, reasonable pay salaries have made a comeback, and the ties and uncomfortable shoes are being left at home.
As Spinal Tap wisely once said "The less things change the more they stay the same". - koonchu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3It never went anywhere. 9-11 put it to sleep is all.
- bobcrotch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Hey we have beanbags and Foos tables at work...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"With a shortage of talented geeks in the market"
Thats all I needed to read of this article to say its full of *****. - 5aculu5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well fulfillment for web 1.0 is still a bitch. Our foos ball has been removed from the table cuz the temps weren't making it back from break on time.
- rudy23, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4first answer my questions wtf is web 2.0 and who came up with this dumbass term
- Wooglar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Its too bad more companies aren't like this. Where I work its business casual, two 15 minute breaks, boring cubicles, surrounded by people twice or three times my age. Would it kill them to throw a beanbag and a TV in the break-room to let me unwind? Its amazing how, being 19, I have such a different view of how a work environment should be compared to my coworkers.
Oh, and I miss dressing my age! - lisaawesome, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The only perk my last job had was a toaster in the breakroom...
- bushawa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I work for a big apparel company, and while our IT Dept. still looks like the rest of the corporate world (desk wise, cubes, etc). We enjoy a lot of flexibility, ability to work from home, create our own hours, and we get to wear what we want. Which for me is board shorts, flip-flops, a t-shirt, and my 5'o clock shadow.
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