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- bani, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I'm guessing it's $10 for the hardware, and $390 for the licenses.
Yay patents! - digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17That said, I wonder how this will affect the prices of the PS3, especially if it costs $400 just for the BR part of it. If that's the case, I can't see a PS3 hitting the market for less than $600 (factoring in any $ amount that sony will have to EAT to make it more attractive to consumers and more competitive with the 360).
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9HDDVD? BluRay? psssssshhhhh
InPhase has holographic discs starting at 515GB. Sure they are expensive, but why do we need these crappy 30-200GB discs when holographic ones are on the verge of takeoff? Take all this money being wasted on Bluray and HDDVD, put that towards holo discs and this time next year we'll have 1TB (terrabyte) at what DVD R prices are now.
I won't be buying either of these new formats. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11no blue-ray movies
no HD-DVD movies
Why should I buy the ps3 or even buy a player if there are not any movies. Oh not to mention I still need an HDTV to get the full experience. Not cost effective. DVD quality already very good.
/Doesn't need overpriced entertainment center
//Nintendo Revolution indeed. - intent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I think with time the hardware costs will lower...you can get a DVD drive today for $30.
- FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's a good point. Didn't the original Xbox ship without a dvd license to cut cost? How much money do these licenses cost?
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3further proof these things are unneeded, too expensive to make and buy, not open enough for me to adopt them.
i think maybe the BR and HDDVD groups got into a pissing contest only to realize neither wanted to be seen as the one that backed out, and yet the players are too expensive to be econonically viable - Mousse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Holographic disks are not going to be aimed at the individual consumer."
Yet. Give it time. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's always going to be expensive if you're an early adopter. Although, all of the extra DRM-related hardware probably doesn't help the price point.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem is, a CD drive, a DVD drive, and an HD-DVD drive all pretty much cost the same amount to manufacture (give or take a few bucks for the driver chips, they're all in the lower tens of dollars).
Right now, the best licensing deals for the HD-DVD/Bluray equipment are absurdly expensive. Of course, manufacturers like Sony can sidestep a lot of the cost because they own Bluray, but the chip royalties and licensing fees won't drop in price until they've got more manufacturing going (and thusly, a bigger sized volume license can be used to help bring down costs).
And to think, probably $200 of that licensing has something to do with HDCP/DRM. *tsk tsk* - PacoDG, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11Nintendo FTW.
I think so. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Misleading title. It's Blu-Ray players that cost that much, not Blu-Ray drives.
And this won't hurt PS3, since most of the cost is license fees (that Sony doesn't pay to itself) and the CPU and media processors to play the movies, which are already in PS3 since it is a game machine.
Only the cost of the drive affects PS3 and the cost of the drive is not out of line. - kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 I can wait. I want to see what format is going to win.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't know if they are saying that just the drive costs 400 dollars. This most likely includes the price of the processing system to stream the video. The PS3 benefits from a great video card, and a heavy duty processor that will be able to run in software what most Blu-ray players run in specially designed expensive hardware. Also Sony owns lots of the patents for Blu-ray, so they don't have to pay those royalties.
- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, you could pretty much change "blu-ray" and "dvd" for "CD" and have basically the same statements being said. (Except for the DRM)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Holographic disks are not going to be aimed at the individual consumer.
- aveyuen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@clickwir: that sounds a bit optimistic. Do you have sources for your claims? Last I heard, the holographic discs were prohibitively expensive
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Right. The licenses are what makes it outrageous. They'll die down (or die off) eventually.
- jsco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Engadget ran a story that said we can pick up an HD-DVD player right now for $120.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/29/snag-an-nec-hd-dvd-drive-for-just-120/ - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some porn is already released on HD-DVD (and whatever media the porn industry supports usually wins).
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2- Corporations not agreeing on Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD (Sony thinks they can still win the Betamax war)
- The MPAA
- Patents and licenses
- Overvalue of HDTV equipment
... Obviously, corporate greed will be the death of Hollywood.
I'm guessing around the release date of Spider-Man 3, which represents all that is evil in Hollywood (Big budget film? Check. Sequel? Check. Published by Sony? Check.) will be the official doom date for Hollywood. - Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Personally I feel that these formats are WAY too early anyway. I do think that the PC needs a newer format (soon at least). But there are what a total of 10-20 channels of HDTV... and not everyone has sets yet. I still know that a lot of people / places do not even own DVD players and they only cost $40 at Wal-Mart.
We don't need it yet. Would it be nice to have... yea. But its not worth that kind of investment yet. It is also funny to me that the majority of people who would invest are the ones who have been following up with all of the SONY B.S. and DRM that none of us wants. I just love how companies now days listen to, and give, their customers what they want. :) - Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well I doubt that the Blu-Ray for the PS3 will be that much. Sony probably created a lot of the licensing fees that are to be paid... those will be waved... I'll bet that the hardware is really proabably $140 to build.
Why doesn't someone just figure out a way to directly connect HDDs to the TV... what a 40GB HDD like $29 anyway... and if you decide you don't like the movie anymore... well we all know what to do with it... Just a thought. - rugby1970, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yep. The first DVD players were $1000 out of the gate. I think I paid $600 for my first player in 1999. New tech is always expensive. HDTV has been a long time coming and most people still don't own the sets but someone has to start making them. This format war will be different, however, in that I think whichever standard the software/computer industry adopts will be the winner. Even though it is more expensive (for now) blu-ray has the most going for it in terms of size and support.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Blu-Ray will be the Betamax while HD-DVD will be the VHS. It's possible that Blu-Ray is technically superior, but HD-DVD will ultimately win (the superior product name, the non-licensing to Sony issue). Sony is not going to ever make any of their proprietary formats a standard. EVER.
- Sethbacca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I seem to recall my first DVD player costing a mint, I bought it right as the tech hit the shelf. This is no different and the prices will all drop eventually.
- g0tmk, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4from the sounds of it, blu ray will eventually be the next big thing since dvds, but even dvd players were this expensive at one time.. everyting starts out expensive, but unfortunately i think it will be a while before blu ray becomes mainstream
- dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If you get along well with the MPAA & friends, it'll only cost $200.
- tacom8, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4ya no kidding... this just in... new tech costs MORE money!
/now that's a scoop - petard, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4I dont believe it! I saw someplace selling HD-DVD drives for PCs for $150
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