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- treelovinhippie, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13527. 0. Obviously the amount of common sense Guy has when launching such a simple "Web 2.0" site.
$12k to launch this piece of *****, wow! He could have had it all coded and designed for well under $1k (probably even under $500) using sites like elance.com, rentacoder.com etc etc. You've gotta hate it when rich people waste so much money launching crappy businesses... while other entrepreneurs struggle with funding for far greater concepts.
And 55 ***** domains! OMG Guy, you retard... that is not how it works these days. You don't buy out every single domain. At the very most you buy the .com, .net and .org
And legal fees??! Why the hell did you need to spend $4k on legal fees? - kefler, on 10/11/2007, -3/+68Software Development: $4,500
Blood Sucking Lawyers: $4,824.14
Domain Names: $1,115.05
Having your site crash and burn as soon as it gets to the front page of Digg: priceless. - Claw787, on 10/29/2007, -2/+62Digg was initially built with $200.............. Beat that..!!!
$10/hour - 20 Hours coding fees to Owen.
Source: http://www.elance.com/p/images/corporate/Kevin_Rose_Diggs_Elance.mp3
and $4000 for legal fees???
Did they start with a pending lawsuit? - Renton, on 10/11/2007, -7/+55First, get a host:
http://www.geocities.com
Then a domain:
http://www.cjb.net
Code it like a normal webpage with HTML and CSS:
http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/
Make lots of shiny buttons in photoshop (because thats what makes it web2.0, right?):
http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/861023/Adobe_Photoshop_Pro_CS2_v9_0_Full_ISO_WORKING_Keygen
Total cost: $0 - Renton, on 10/11/2007, -1/+44Don't forget $400 for this http://truemors.com/blog/images/logo.gif
- resta6, on 01/12/2009, -2/+31"I wrote 0 business plans for it. The plan is simple: Get a site launched in a few months, see if people like it, and sell ads and sponsorships (or not)."
Should be renamed how to jump on the Web 2.0 bandwagon w/o thinking things through - SirNoobius, on 10/11/2007, -4/+32this is seriously
1. get a site for 12k
2. ???
3. profit - doctapeppa, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27LOL! it seems we've crashed his $12K site!
- omgomgomg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+241K in domains? wtf is this guy doing? i now know why people fail in this industry..
- Saiing, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23A social media site that goes down under the Digg Effect? Whoever heard of a social site that failed from people being too social. What a joke.
- fakelvis, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26Obviously, some points are, as you say, stupid. But let's face it, overall he's proven his point... now-a-days you don't need more than a few thousand pounds to get your idea 'out there'.
Do it, see what happens, and either sink or swim. When we see that he spend so much money on domains, legal fees and external programming, we realise that we can do something for a lot less than this. That's not a bad thing! - Jsmakr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19I am sure he learned a lot from his experience in starting Truemors. The comments and general feedback on his blog will just point out his mistakes further and make him realize even more how he could have done it for less. It's all relative to how much money you have...a broke college student will try very hard to find the least expensive ways to produce the site. An entrepreneur with a lot more money will just go to larger companies to produce the coding, logo, etc to save time.
- MonGuSE1, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20Why people are digging this up is beyond me. The guy is just trying to get free advertising for a really gay site. I can't believe he paid 12k for that pos. Plus he isn't adding in the cost of his time nor the hosting costs. Not to mention the thing just died with under 100 diggs.
- tonyt11, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Truemors is retarded
- neoknight, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17yeh he missed www.truemors.st
4k on legal fees! I'm in the wrong profession - and he thinks he got a bargain for 12k total!
If only he knew... - zodieman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16Pay a web developer to program your website: $4500
Register 55 domains and pay a lawyer: $5937.19
Watch your site get hacked right away and not respond to the Digg effect: Priceless - InvertedDonkey, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16@ renton i didn't know you were allowed to pirate photoshop
- pierre, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13server down..haahah...should have spent more on the server
- fredsterss, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12rofl...."look at how little money i spent for ....tadaaaaaaaa....nothing"
- AbortedFetus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Arnold says, IT'S NOT A TRUEMOR!
- nick2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13$15k is too much.
Teach me how on a $10 budget. - pegisys, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12"A mere 3 hours went by before the site was hacked, and we had to shut it down temporarily."
$4,500 for a website that got hacked in 3 hours LOL - jkramlich, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11For those of you who criticize the amount of money keep in mind that $12,000 is relatively small when it comes to startup fees. There are many little things that eat away at your wallet. For example, I started a non-profit, http://www.Gigoit.org about a year ago. Tax exempt filing fee $750. State licenses and legal documents, $350. Business cards, marketing materials, phones, software, they all add up. Writing your own custom site costs only a few bucks in hosting and your time (if you can code). Running it like a business is an entirely different beast.
- lemcoe9, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Logo MIRROR: http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6153/logomw0.gif
- honds, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11@nreynolds or any other did users who agree with his previous statement
Disclaimer: I am trying to be educational not inflamatory.
It is a common misconception in the mind of people who have made simple web sites that the difficulty of making a site increases linearly as n increases. With n being the size of the site. It is indeed not linear but exponential. Consider the following:
* Graphics (I know, I know, not too big in web 2.0) something most programmers don't have a clue about
* Business planning. Do you have a business plan? Your robotics team didn't need one but Digg sure as hell did.
* Optimization. Optimizing for five people is easy. 5 million is not so easy.
And here's the kicker...
* Infrastructure. Multi-tiered architecture. Software engineering. Documentation. Training. Hardware. Load balancing. Redundancy. Etc. Etc. Etc.
... eh... I'll quit here. It's something you have to experience to understand. - hendzen, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9@neoform(Ian O'Shaughnessy)
newsique=digg clone - neoform, on 10/11/2007, -11/+18donnyburnside:
First off, ***** you.
Secondly, digg took the idea directly from fark and slashdot and every other user generated site out there. Want to see user based moderation? take a look at slashdots comment moderation system and you'll see how much better it is than digg's.
Thirdly, I didn't "plaster" my name all over it. there's an about page with my name on it. gosh. i'm such a showboat.
Instead of trolling after people who actually strive to make the internet have better websites, why don't you take your energy and make one yourself?
What a bunch of trolls.
Lastly, I'm not a greedy bastard. I open sourced more than 40,000 lines of code that i wrote for newsique. http://www.phpneoform.com/ - MrFisty, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8The whole "Web 2.0, User-Generated Content, Citizen Journalism, Long-Tail, Social Media Site" kind of says it all. A slew of ***** marketing terms hyped-up to justify the pricetag.
I can imagine the client pitch: "We need a name. Something like Poochie, only more... proactive!" - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7ValleyWag has their own set of numbers for Truemors:
"5 catch phrases. The 5 buzzworthy phrases of the industry are: Web 2.0, User-Generated Content, Citizen Journalism, Long-Tail, and Social Media. Their use may yield some sympathy within the community."
"3 hours to be hacked. Hackers are more "impressive" than the developers who cost $4,500 and took 7.5 weeks to develop your site."
"218/405. A great batting average; a horrible spam to "legitimate" truemor post ratio."
etc.
http://valleywag.com/tech/guy-kawasaki/by-the-numbers-265701.php - Hiki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7helluva an expensive price for a blank screen, imo.
- rcran, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Hardly seems in a position to be giving advice about it, does he? If you ask any Web 2.0 founder, they will tell you this is not at all how it is done.
- anachronoks, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6This is the best article I've ever seen on how NOT to build a Web 2.0 site.
$1,115.05. Total spent on 55 domains that are going to be composed entirely of "Related search" links within a year. - donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6You might want to replace the term 'guy-moment' if ever in public.
- resta6, on 01/12/2009, -2/+7the guy is a hack, he keeps riding his Apple days. I picked up his book the art of start, and almost all of it was common sense, surprisingly, almost EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about truemors is completely opposite of what he blabbers on about in the book
- ChayD, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Still, not as bad as the London 2012 Logo (see earlier Diggs). Hmmm...chunky highlighting pens, ruler, *scribble*. That'll be £400,000, thankyou very much.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Cheaper, learn PHP and buy photoshop.
- cr3ative, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Artclubhouse has 3 registered users.
That's not a launch.
The Animation Blog is a standard wordpress install reposting youtube videos. Christ. - Haplo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5(a) have you experience with rent a coder and/or elance? In the past I got people asking me to fix the mess they had gotten into when they rented a "coder". I had to decline every time because the budget was too low, and the mess too big. If you're good at coding, you're not going to "whore" yourself for 5 USD/hour. I currently live in Mexico, and am not freelancing for 500 pesos/hour :-).
(b) for a business $15K is peanuts. Based on the comments I have read so far most people here have either zero experience with running one, or had luck/are very smart. - Goosemaster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5this is utterly pathetic.
- DarkPrince11, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Judging by that guy's retarded article, he couldn't learn PHP in a million years.
- manicallday, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6How long do you think it will take for a $12,000 site to fail due to the digg effect? I have a feeling that we will soon find out.
- donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8@neoform - You've taken the exact premise of Digg and plastered your 'marvelous' name all over it... Then you have the blind ignorance to question why you're being dugg down.
- gann, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4actually, who's this guy?
- Renton, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4When did he say he had to do it legally? In fact, I have a whole team of illegal koreans working on my web design team. I pay them in mesos.
- donnyburnside, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4For fun. To many this guy is a laughing stock (no pun intended).
- metall1c1ne, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The logo cost $399!?!? ...looks like he overpayed by about $398.50.
- vh1`, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3a lot of people are saying that $12K isn't that much to start a business. you're probably right
but RTFA. he's talking about the site and the site alone. $12K is a RIDICULOUS amount. to start up with at least. sure the costs of hosting constantly add up. but $1000 on domains? what?! even his blurb makes it seem worse:
"I spent $1,115.05 registering domains. I could have used GoDaddy and done it a lot cheaper, but I was too stupid and lazy."
keywords: stupid, lazy
"I registered 55 domains (for example, truemors.net, .de, .biz, truemours, etc, etc). I had no idea that one had to buy so many domains to truly “surround”"
digg.de, digg.co.uk, digg.biz. oh word? they bring up nothing? (except for a few parked domains)
"The total software development cost was $4,500. The guys at Electric Pulp did the work."
I had no idea what I was doing for free (or relatively nothing) because I enjoy it was worth $4.5K - biggdunc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3some of you are just *****
ignore the look/feel of the site, no startup site is perfect
do you remember this
http://web.archive.org/web/20041209040106/http://digg.com/
that is the $500 digg, looks way worse than this
how many of you ***** talkers have a better site?
i give the guy props for havin a pair big enough to attempt something
that is the thing most dont have, and cant do
so tired of the negative ***** throwers on here, starting to remind me of Fark
/overit - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Not that it's worth seeing, but in case you're interested:
http://truemors.com.nyud.net:8090/ - gamebittk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4You can pirate anything. If they don't want you to download it, they should have took better security measures before throwing onto the internets.
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