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- AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41With today's government and our ever-shrinking list of rights, never assume that anything you say or do is safe from the government. The PATRIOT act is anything but patriotic, anything but fighting to preserve our rights. It's a shield behind which the government is hiding to increase control over us. E-mail, snail mail, phone calls and even talking to a friend over coffee in your own home should not considered confidential from the feds. Under this claim of protecting us from terrorists, each and every single one of us is a suspect. And suspects have no rights.
- livejamie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20maybe they'll appreciate the C1AL|S advertisments in mine
- nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@XooX:
Stop it with your spam already. That is considered very rude on Digg (and pretty much anywhere else). - plarp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17you are naive to believe in your right to privacy in public communications such as email. of course so is the government.. we can just as easily read their email.. and we should, and we should post their emails that we do not agree with.
this being said privacy is an illusion.. lunch time doubly so. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Could you tell me more about this exciting new product?
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"assume that anything you say or do is safe from the government."
Don't forget they have been known to sell data to private companies...that's way creepier to me. At least I have a voice in government and can participate. Companies like Diebold who get this data and use it for creepy data mining is much more alarming. - Totalchaos02, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The fact that this will not only hold up in court but it will get almost zero media attention because there are no naked women or explosions still amazes me. Somehow, people will still defend this desecration of everything this country stands for as needed for security.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Because if someone really wants that information, they can get it if its in an e-mail."
A phone call isn't secure, and others can listen in. Yet, law enforcement is required to obtain a warrant before they are allowed to listen in and use your conversation in court against you. Easy step, but a necessary one, to ensure that there are no abuses of power. Why is that so hard to comprehend? - x3nos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@TFA "The government responded by arguing that email was more analgous to "e-postcards" that could be read without "opening" anything."
So if it was GnuPG encrypted would that make a case for analgous to closed mail, sealed in an envelope? Just curious what the limits of this "interpretation" are.
@AriaStar
This article is talking about the ability to do this without the shield of the Patriot Act. This could imply that anyone with a "court order" not a "search warrant" could open your email or any of your data on a third party storage medium. I think the levee is about to break on personal rights and freedoms in this country. Sad. - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I used to have ziplip email. They were forced out of business because they were forced to give their records to government agents. Instead of doing so, they closed as they couldn't guaruntee privacy. Hush mail has some interface issues, and must have a government backdoor. Otherwise why wouldn't what happened to ziplip happen to them?
- mfratt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It is quite sad really. On the phone, via email, in public, at restaurants, even in your own private home or car, you have to assume that you are being listened to or in some cases, watched. Its to the point where you have to be careful when discussing sensitive topics or information no matter where you are.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There's no naked women? Then why am I reading this then?
Seriously though, this is a great example of the way our privacy rights have been whittled away. The reason they were able to get this guy's email records is because the Stored Communications Act permits phone companies and ISP's to turn over a customers records with very few protections for the public. It used to be that the Federal Government had to go to a judge, and obtain a warrant. Now, all they need to do is ask, and a warrant becomes completely unnecessary. This is WAY too much power and autonomy for the Federal Government, and these are issues that we need to address. - Arkonnan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4> Government may not need warrant to search your email
No, but they'll need one if they want me to hand over my private key. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ever since the government started showing their open hate for Freedom and true American values added with what Mark Klein revealed, I've known for a while that things aren't going to change until the American people stop supporting this openly terrorist, fascist, (and due to their blatant disrespect for The Constitution and The Bill of Rights I am able to go so far to say:) anti-American regime.
Until that happens, host your own email at home, by getting yourself a copy of OpenBSD, http://openbsd.org. It's a cool thing to do because you can have a 2 gig inbox, you can have a 500 gig inbox, Register at DynDNS.org, so you have an email address like say your name is Dave, dave@dave-kicks-ass.kicks-ass.net.
Then, proudly display your middle finger to the anti-American snoops by using SSL, GnuPG, and encrypting /var. Everyone should do this to make big-brother's life hard. =) - motters, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Email is about the most hopelessly insecure method of communication ever invented. You may as well consider anything you send or receive via email as if it were posted to a public forum.
If you do want to keep some things secret either use strong encryption, or avoid the internet and just use conventional snail mail. - grinin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm as pissed off as everyone else... but I couldn't have put it any better than the MSNBC guy who was here on digg... I think it was listed as "Habeas Corpus signed into death" or something like that.... Its almost unbearable to watch our government act just like the people and governments they claim to be our enemies.... I don't see the point.. Shouldn't wars be fought over a chess game by now? Isn't this the "future" we were waiting for.... all I see is the book 1984 coming to life....
- DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And if somebody really wants something that's in your snail mail, they'll get that too. I can camp out and wait for the mail truck to come to your house and just pull stuff out of your unlocked box. Or, I can wait til you bring it inside and walk in through your unlocked front door to take it off your kitchen table. Or, I can smash the window in your living room, climb in and take the mail out of your desk drawer. All of that stuff is many times easier than snooping your way into an email account. The most complex tool I'd need is a rock for the window. Just because you can do something easily doesn't mean it should be legal.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Got a cite for that "law?"
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://gnupg.org
- x3nos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jaycliche
Not only data mining by private companies, but the eventual access rights being sold to the US government. Then they wouldn't need a warrant to look at your Google searches - they could have algorithmic profiling based on every computer users searches and stifle you accordingly.
Watch "Big Brother, Big Business" segment on CNBC - some good information about data mining and the power of search companies to maintain your search profiles.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6061213358499552766 - havaloc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Easy email encryption (browser based, copy and paste in any email application):
http://www.encryptosaurus.com - jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Because if someone really wants that information, they can get it if its in an e-mail. "
Doesn' t mean that it is right. - freff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@yogione: "Then there's the real world. Most of the time, the government will cave in to some branch of law enforcement, especially federal agencies claiming the need to protect national security."
That's the point. That's why there are separate branches of government in the first place. The Federal Government has a role, and when it is able to bypass the role of the Judicial Branch, simply out of convenience, then it's time to put them in check.
As for this being used to convict a scammer, once this is established precedent, then what's to keep from being used against anyone. Obtaining a warrant is a simple step, yet its become unnecessary for them to do, where it regards telephone and email records. - littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why would anyone be surprised about this? Dugg up.
- arg553, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hushmail is not hosted in the us. Only Canada could request access, and according to wikipedia that's a lot less likely to happen in canada than in the us.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@thcobbs
I no longer:
Enjoy the protection of Habeas Corpus.
Enjoy the protections promised by The Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
As of the middle of the coming January, I will have to ask permission to leave the country. Growing up I was taught to hate the Nazis and the Soviets because they imposed exactly that. Don't believe me go Google it up yourself. Pull your head out of the ***** sand for once.
If you're stupidly naive enough to think we aren't living under a criminal government, since you _won't_ read the "Domestic Security Enhancement" act of '03, since you _won't_ read the Military Commissions Act aka the Unlimited Detentions and Torture act here's a short outline to the DSE of '03 that I highly doubt you'll look at:
http://www.infowars.com/print/patriot_act/alexs_analysis.htm
Oh I shouldn't site a "political blog" . . because we all know the mass media that is so concerned about jenn and brad will do a good job covering the death of the cornerstones of Freedom. - NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok why did he use yahoo. you'd think a multi millionaire would, i dunno, have his e-mail address at his domain name.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Amazing how most people talking about freedoms being removed and such usually attempt to drown out dissenting opinion because they are just not intelligent enough to understand what's REALLY happening.
Of course.... Name one thing you are less free to do today as you were 6 years ago. And bonus points if you can actually EXPLAIN why you are less free, citing resources that aren't political blogs. - CanceledCzech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hope they like porn.
- xsecretfiles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That's why I have like 10 account for different types of porn
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Did you make your own with no backdoors? If so you are breaking federal espionage law and can be tried, unless they changed things since the late 90's
- UltimaNut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2One one hand I want the EFF and ACLU defending my right to privacy. On the other I despise that we have to help this sumbag, who had ripped off so many people , to do it.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're confusing "what's right" with your "rights as a citizen".
I'm not saying that its right to be spied upon.... But don't claim its a violation of your rights.
Correct Thing to do != Inalienable Human Right - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"In this case, the government claimed that Warshak's e-mail was stored on servers belonging to Yahoo and other companies, and that this meant it should be easier for them to access than if the e-mail was stored only on Warshak's personal computer. "
Keep that in mind when you use a free email service that stores your email forever. The government knows the data is there, if they want it, they will get it. Free email isn't really free, it comes with a price. - cawpin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It doesn't matter if it is email. It is basically the same as a phone tap. You have to get a warrant to use one unless you have permission of one of the parties conversing. If whoever he sent mail to told the government, nobody's rights were violated.
- andrew1193, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@AriaStar:
When the article doesn't even mention 'PATRIOT Act' or 'terrorism', writing stuff like that makes you look stupid. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But do you trust encryptosaurus?
- AxeSwinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I understand your point but you have to defend the fringes first. It's like when the ACLU hired lawyers to defend the Nazis so they could march in Skokie, IL. Personally, I think the ACLU used Jewish lawyers just to show the Nazis what asses they are but who knows...
- Khabi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is why I'm glad to run my own personal mail server. They want my email, they have to go thru me to get it :)
- Sargasso_C, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Playing the Devil's advocate in this case is sort of scary, but how about this arguement. Your government has taken the trouble to make it's business legal, and the effort to appear to be a good citizen. Most foreign government's wouldn't even consider their citizens' sensibilities. You should all be glad that the offices of government are staffed by your own nationals who do disregard foreign agency involvement in US government matters (let's not mention, Israel). You should be pleased that your government doesn't outsource-off-shore it's internal intelligence gathering to some other friendly superpower, to avoid internal legal complications. You should be pleased that your armed forces are not constitutionally empowered to govern. And you should be pleased that the recipients of harsh actions are now most likely than ever before, to be worthy of it.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Seriously.
Way to go America not exercising your Second Amendment Right when you had the chance. - Khabi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And sadly a "good reason" isn't defined anywhere, so you still should be concerned so they don't walk all over your rights.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2We no longer have financial privacy.
We no longer have communications privacy.
We no longer have travel privacy (check out those RFID tags in your tires).
Our government keeps us in a soft cage.
Would you send your son to die defending a government like that. Or would you celebrate the overthrow of a government like that? Our government has become a worthless piece of *****. A cancer. A poison. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2< cough > Michael Chertoff < /cough >
We've been sold out. Our government is worthless. - millyuns, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Mr. Coldheart
The FBI is the investigative arm of the Justice Department. The Justice Department is an agency of the Executive Branch with cabinet level status. Thanks for the exercise in semantics. - andrew1193, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"When you don't know the point someone is making and you respond without thinking that makes you look stupid."
Except that the "point" being made is completely irrelevant to the story. - MrColdheart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2the heading for this is inaccurate.
it claims the government may not need a warrant to search your e-mail.
the government as a whole CANT legally search your e-mail but the FBI can search without a warrant.
the FBI is not a branch of government.. and no where in any book does it say it is. - ScoobySnack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thcobbs: "Other than that, you're in "Public" and Privacy is not guaranteed in public."
Just because privacy may not be guaranteed, does that mean that the government (or anyone else) should be able to actively spy on us without a damn good reason (i.e. without having to get a warrant from a judge)? Anyway, public property belongs to *us*, and therefore is our "own freaking property". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They dont need a warrant to search/check your email, just like they dont need a reason to go to iraq., They are the gov, they own j00!
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=Terrorstorm
Suddenly everything sucks. -
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