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- Gnascher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@floejoe
In a nutshell ... the search engine companies are in a bit of an arms race with those website owners who would "game the system" in order to try and bump thier websites up to the top of search engine rankings. The search engines want to order thier results with the "most relavent" results at the top of the list ... webmasters just want to be #1, relevancy be damned.
"BigDaddy" is Google's latest play in this cat and mouse game. It's a major re-write of thier page ranking algorithm. It is intended to invalidate a lot of the somewhat underhanded techniques some webmasters use to boost thier page ranking, while returning the most truly relavent search results for any given search string.
As a USER of google, you should think of this as a Good Thing(tm), because theoretically, your search results should become even more relavent ... increased probability that THE website you are looking for with your search will be #1, or at least in the top 10. As a webmaster who would game the system, you would be slightly fearful, because you now have to invest a ton of time and money to figure out how to game the new algorithm. As a SEO company, you're doing a happy dance, because lots of webmasters will be asking you to do this for them. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It is mostly a hardware change in preperation for future algorithm enhancements. There are some search changes in it, but that isn't the priority of Big Daddy right now. The best information about it is from Google developer Matt Kutz. He wrote about it in some detail:
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/bigdaddy/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"With their recent actions in China, they might be better off calling it "Big Brother.""
god damn get over that already. any other company would do, or does the same - seanabernethie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I use it all the time its great searches are heaps more relavent
http://66.249.93.104 - baratunde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this is not front page material. too obscure. no clear explanation of what this is or why it's relevant. just because a Google employee flushes the toilet, doesn't mean we should digg it!
- MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ralph Wiggam: "Look, big daddy, it's regular daddy."
- votamli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hold on here..."new signs of Google Inc.'s rumored "Big Daddy" infrastructure overhaul"?
It is NOT rumored, Matt Cutts of Google has a long page about it on his blog, how it was named etc. He even instructs Google users on how to comment specifically on Big Daddy:
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/bigdaddy/
Digg, you maybe more popular and up to date than Slashdot, but your editing job is far worse.
Seriously, if I could be Digg's SEO editor I would. - Gnascher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@nrbelex
The funny thing about that search is the very first AdWords ad on that page. - Gnascher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@artifez - Google seems already to be riding that slippery slope of public opinion. They're going to have to work very hard in the near future to polish thier tarnishing image ... especially in the wake of thier recent policy regarding censorship and China.
In thier defense of "The China Decision", they are disclosing what results were omitted when it happens, they just don't provide links to those omitted sites. So, it's censorship with full disclosure, which is more than other search engines (yahoo) who are (quietly) censoring searches for China, and have been for a long time. - Kiel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0really? i played with it a bit and it felt much the same.
Isn't it just a hardware update? The articles just saying that the move for new hardware over new software is rare because software produce more short term increase in usage. or something.
Is this right? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Don't include the (tm) in discussion. It doesn't make you look cool, it makes you look like a moron.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0they need to fix their damn crawler having trouble getting it to crawl correctly
- skytimelapse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm noticing the rankings at .com are now the same as http://66.249.93.104/
I think the update is being rolled out. - cloudtears, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was using the Bigdaddy version to seach for a product that I wanted to buy. It seemed like the regular search links were not helpful, but there were a lot of sponsered links over on the left side... Makes me wonder in what way this is an improvement? Maybe it's better at generating ad revenue?
- Eaglefire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"loosely tied to PageRank, but that is only one factor"
If you consider PageRank to be the algorithm that takes inbound and outbound linking and produces a heuristic value, then yes, it's only one factor. However, if you consider PageRank to be their generic page ranking algorithm, then that is the one and only number by which the pages are sorted. It seems that people use the two definitions interchangeably. - floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Gnascher, thank you very much. I appreciate your thorough response. It makes sense now. I'm often up to date on Google, but I've never heard of BigDaddy until now.
thank you - floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I read the article but I'm still unclear as to what exactly BigDaddy is and why is it important to me as an end user?
Can someone offer a brief explanation please? - JohntB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Big Daddy" is obviously the code-name for Google's plan to upgrade their servers all at once, thereby greatly increasing their collective intelligence and jumpstarting the singularity. Their new AI will be the grown-up version of "Big Brother."
- Gnascher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@etruscan
I wasn't referring to "PageRank(tm)" ... I was actually referring to the order websites appear in relavency on the search page (SERPS) ... which is loosely tied to PageRank, but that is only one factor. (If I'm not mistaken, PageRank has more to do with inbound and outbound linking and the quantity and quality of such linking)
I was using the "little letters" page ranking term ... I guess I should have used the SERPS jargon. :-D
-Gnascher - etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0""BigDaddy" is Google's latest play in this cat and mouse game. It's a major re-write of thier page ranking algorithm. It is intended to invalidate a lot of the somewhat underhanded techniques some webmasters use to boost thier page ranking, while returning the most truly relavent search results for any given search string."
Actually, I don't think it has anything to do with Pagerank... it's an update more like Jager, which altered the indexing algorithm (nothing to do with Pagerank). What this means is that the SERPS are going to be altered. How, and how drastically, only Google knows (and even they will only have a limited scope as to how this effects SERPS).
Ultimately though, you're right - it's designed to increase relevancy, and weed out those problem pages that have been artificially boosted due to "black hat" SEO tactics.
Hopefully it works. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Additional note: be aware that the number of results ask Google to return *does* affect your rank (i.e. you might get a different rank if you add num=100 compared to the default of 10 results Google normally returns).
The "break point" seems to be around 27.
And, of course, your rank might be a bit different for different data centers, and the Google API might return a different rank compared to other data centers. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Eaglefire
I never heard people working in the SEO business calling a ranking in a SERP page rank. PageRank is what you see in if you use the Google Toolbar (for example), and your rank (not page rank) is what you see if you enter a query in Google, and count the number of results before your site, and add one to it (i.e. rank is your position on the result page, with the first result being 1).
So your page can rank 3 on blue widgets (i.e. entering blue widgets in Google shows your page on the 3rd position) and that page can have a PageRank of 6.
Also note that PageRank in itself doesn't determine the ordering of results on a SERP. It's very possible that a page with a PR of 4 comes ahead of a page with a PR of 7. PageRank is just one out of (according to Google) hundred+ factors used to determine the rank (or position) of a page on a SERP.
A high PR does have advantages however, but probably less then a few years ago. - antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ Gnascher
Thanks for the explanation! - Gnascher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^ Hahahahah ... used the "F" word.
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A few more pages listed for my one site. My other site is still censored by Google.
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@dracula7
read http://johnbokma.com/firefox/google-toolbar-customizing.html which explains how you can have and the Google tools, and not the toolbar visible. - KriLL3.2™, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hieros: There is a reason why Google hasn't fixed that yet, they agree. :)
- Gnascher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@donwilson
Thank you for your advice. In my first comment, I was just being a geek, and makeing use of a bit of an internet cliche ... your comment while a bit vitreolic is well placed. But the (tm) in my later comment was to point out the difference in "PageRank", the trademarked algorithm Google uses to describe it's inbound/outbound linking rankings for a web page VS. the more general "page rank" term which simply means the position of any website on a search results page. Therefore, it shouldn't be making me look either cool or moronic since it was simply used to clarify my discussion. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Gnascher
No, page rank, Page Rankm, PR, and PageRank are the same thing.
What you mean is ranking on a SERP (Search engine result page). I never heard someone doing SEO call that a page rank (etc.) though.
How do you rank -> what's your position on a SERP
What is your PR -> what's your PageRank as reported by the Google Toolbar
For those running Firefox and curious of their PageRank, install the Google Toolbar, see http://johnbokma.com/firefox/google-toolbar-customizing.html - eppler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"If you must use that, turn on number lock, hold down the ALT key and type in 0153 on the numberpad."
I just press Option-2: ™
;-) - etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0But just in case... keep an eye on your PageRank™ for any changes.
(had to do it) - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Aargh, wrong tab :-( ^^^^^^
- Elrod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anyone given any thought as to what will happen when BigDaddy becomes self-aware?
- etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's impossible to tell what may happen... since we don't know how these new data center's are going to effect the algorithm. It will likely shuffle things up - and typically, the shuffle is drastic at the beginning and starts to settle down after a couple of weeks. If you run a website, and you're fighting for keyword placement, you may notice you dive and soar through the SERPS over the next while (as Big Daddy is implemented).
If you're a user, you probably won't notice a whole lot of change. - godaddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Go Daddy's Superbowl Commercial is brilliant! Sex Sells and Go Daddy is the shiznit! Also, according to Bob Parsons blog they advertise on Milliondollarbush.com.. Very interesting.
- votamli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0alright, alright, i am a bloody idiot. ignore me. please
or just shoot me.
i need to go to sleep, its pass my bedtime. and how do i delete "stupid comments that made an ass of myself" from digg? - aldenhg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2With their recent actions in China, they might be better off calling it "Big Brother." At least they didn't whore out to the DoJ.
- Vlatro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0OK enough with the "(TM)"
If you must use that, turn on number lock, hold down the ALT key and type in 0153 on the numberpad.
Now you have a very nice ™ Symbol. Don't be ***** lazy. - Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Im just waiting to see when "cool" companies like Google and Apple finally jump the shark and become "evil" in public opinion like Microsoft. I should set up a web pool and make some cash.
- nrbelex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Everything seems to be in order - all the important stuff still works - http://66.249.93.104/search?hl=en&q=Miserable+Failure&btnG=Google+Search
- Hieros, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I think they have some work to do, GWB is still a failure. I'm not even pro-bush, but that is like a kick to the nuts right there.
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