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Google's Founders didn't know HTML!
alan.blog-city.com — Product Manager for Google: "The prime reason the Google home page is so bare is due to the fact that the founders didn't know HTML and just wanted a quick interface."
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- fxmcleod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+113...huh i'd always thought of it as a testament to KISS
sometimes you just get lucky- ojk007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+145this turned out to be a very beneficial thing though, instead of a horrendously cluttered site like yahoo they have a great KISS page.
- bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -100/+38HTML is markup language. People confuse it with programming and scripting. In a nutshell, it's thousands of markup reserved to make a page look pretty and add 'architectural' structure if it needs it. I respect these HTML experts, but let's face it, it's not much different from being an internal decorator. You get a room, and you make it look pretty. Some people are experts, and good for them. But don't condescend people who don't know a markup language. Go look it up, some of the best minds in the computer industry (most computer science Ph.D. students for instance) have web pages that are completely plain text, they usually have a tongue-in-cheek headline that says 'yes, my page is all plaintext but it loads faster than yours :-)". It's the functionality of the 'room' that really makes the difference, in my book, not its presentation.
- shaun1018, on 10/12/2007, -6/+243For those of you thinking of the 70's metal band it's
Keep It Simple Stupid - skEwb35, on 10/12/2007, -19/+74digg founders still don't, har har
{/sarcasm} - SaxxonPike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25I don't really care how much money you paid for your website design, if it's not user friendly, doesn't load fast or is too cluttered, I'm not likely to visit again. Which is why Google is nice. Boom, it's there. It's my start page because of its great utility and minimal size.
Though it's really only a shortcoming as an advantage, nothing never before seen, but interesting nonetheless. - r00tus3r, on 10/12/2007, -8/+46So why didn't this just google and html tutorial ... oh wait ... never mind.
- jellomizer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8While it should be obvious to most. These people did know how to program. And they used there limited HTML as an interface to their program. A lot of programmers at the time google was made didn't know html or knew it very well. Handling things like HTML forms and CGI programs to seasoned programmers seems kinda strange at first, most program run and stay running. But Html you run a program then it quits then you run an other program with different parameters then it quits.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21I don't why everyone is digging him down... I've been programming for decades in FORTRAN and C. I don't know HTML it's not my thing.
My older sister maintains COBOL for bean counters and the most she can do is myspace snippets.
I always thought different sorts of people did different sorts of things. - xatrak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Good article, lousy title and description.
- 0004, on 07/04/2008, -2/+24these zombie stories keep coming back, don't they ??
the timestamp on the story in the title is
Wednesday, 12 January 2005
also posted almost a year ago at:
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Some_Interesting_Facts_About_Google - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6@bhima, if you're referring to why people are digging me down, it's because they don't want to be compared to the analogy I made about the 'internal decorator', somehow this job would be beneath them. It's really not, but they give away their biases by digging me down. I just made a simple observation, it's an observation people want to avoid, hence the digg downs.
- ernieoporto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yeah, it turns out they had an awesome idea and knew something that people still don't know today. They knew how to code the underlying search service itself, which could stand on its own legs. And that all the eye candy in the world isn't going to save you when you are just doing the same thing as everyone else. Yahoo and MSN have it all wrong and are making things more cluttered and incompatible.
I knew HTML back in 1992 (it was released in 1991), but without being able to do anything with the underlying languages and the available NCSA HTTPd server at the time, I was just doing what everyone else was doing - making worthless link pages that had no content. To some extent we have people doing the same with PHP these days. Cookie cutter sites that just post little badges with copy and paste code are everywhere - little more than a 2.0 version of yesterday's link pages. But in a rare few, it turns out that the service is the story or information they relate.
So learn a little HTML if you don't already. =) - danlucas, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7bariswheel, I think they are digging you down because, judging just from the headline and the few posts in front of yours no one was being condescending towards programmers who don't know HTML but you decided to write a mini-rant about it anyway. Maybe you were responding to something else on the page, but the first impression was one of going off-topic.
Well that and you were insulting to web designers. A good design does more than make the page look pretty, it increases usability and functionality. It kind of odd that you talk about being condescending to programmers by being condescending to designers. - wj8801, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5Quote: " HTML is markup language. People confuse it with programming and scripting. In a nutshell, it's thousands of markup reserved to make a page look pretty and add 'architectural' structure if it needs it. I respect these HTML experts, but let's face it, it's not much different from being an internal decorator. You get a room, and you make it look pretty. Some people are experts, and good for them. But don't condescend people who don't know a markup language. Go look it up, some of the best minds in the computer industry (most computer science Ph.D. students for instance) have web pages that are completely plain text, they usually have a tongue-in-cheek headline that says 'yes, my page is all plaintext but it loads faster than yours :-)". It's the functionality of the 'room' that really makes the difference, in my book, not its presentation. "
Spot on can't believe this guy got dugg down so much lol. - synthox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1there?
- phmfthacim, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3bariswheel got dugg down cause most digg users are ***** stupid
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@jbarnett - Jack of all trades know often jack about most things on their list. Someone claiming to know Perl/PHP, SQL, CSS, HTML, JavaScript, XML, Flash, ASP, and more, is most of the time someone who knows not enough to create something that's secure, reliable and well-designed.
I am a Perl programmer for that reason. If my project needs a CSS/HTML expert, I hire one as soon as it goes beyond basic. My time is valuable and so is the time of my customers. I rather don't waste it by working 5 hours on something that a specialist can do in 1 hour, or can come up with a much better solution in the same time.
A good read on this is: http://norvig.com/21-days.html (Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years). - Drakazz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1KISS is a nice concept; I prefer google over others as it doesn't lag all day long like Live or Yahoo do, well, maybe more (including digg).
Simply, make an HTML page, don't include crap. It is about usability and accessing the content that is wanted.
I hate when pages are overbloated with fancy CSS and JavaScript that take away 5 seconds of your life for every page load.
Just put CSS, make it look nice. JavaScript should be an addition, not a must for the user to use. - rookkoss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3bariswheel got dugg down because he went off on a ridiculous rant in which he argued against a bunch of straw men and made ridiculous generalizations.
That, and everything he said that was true was ridiculously obvious. - Pezza131214, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google's page is more bare now than it used to be.
Take a look at the first google page.
http://web.archive.org/web/19981111183552/google.stanford.edu/
The second google page
http://web.archive.org/web/19981202230410/http://www.google.com/ - bongchitis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Checkout the mailing list, google friends:
http://web.archive.org/web/19991009030623/www.egroups.com/group/google-friends/
Now here on yahoo:
http://www.egroups.com/group/google-friends/
But the newer archives are here:
http://www.google.com/googlefriends/archive.html
- tektalk, on 10/12/2007, -36/+3That is ironic
- mindsnare, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20no, no it's not, just lucky
- nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I hate it when people mis use that word.
that is in no way ironic. - shaun1018, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61Irony isn't a diabetic man getting hit by a sugar truck.
Irony is a diabetic man getting hit by a insulin truck. - NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -20/+2No, it is.
It is ironic because every experienced web page designer is "copying" google's simplistic design that came from, it turns out, inexperienced web designers.
The name Google is a type from Googo?
What a terrible name... googo - NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1now it shows up...
Look up situation irony. - nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1@nohandle, still doesn't make it ironic.
i literally die when I see people misuse words like that
its all very kafkaesque
ps i looked in the dictionary and situation irony isnt in there. trust me, I basically base my life around irony. thats not ironic.
this is irony
www.myspace.com/malakafka
(Only go if youve read metamorphasis by kafka) - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4it actually is ironic because almost everyone's source for HTML came from people who didn't know HTML. so it IS ironic.
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34>>i literally die when I see people misuse words like that
if only that was true....... - ryodoan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3No, this is an example of irony. Two programmers that dont even know HTML create the largest search engine on the internet.
Irony is when something..... aww ***** it, why am I wasting my time here.... - nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0it would be ironic if google was looked to as an authority on HTML, but I think that people look to google as a search engine,
I dont know what you mean everyones source for HTML came from them, (I dont know much about HTML so i dont understand what you mean there) how did everyones source for html come from google?
@wast. ??
ps i was making a joke about the overuse of certain words - mediaphile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@NoHandle:
looks like you forgot to wear your reading glasses. i'll help you out--they were trying to spell googol, which is a word that represents the number 1*(10^100). - NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@ryodoan:
Agreed, irony itself is ironic because everyone that uses it to criticize something becomes part of societies apparent joke to then criticize them for using it incorrectly.
Situational Irony:
Situational irony occurs when the results of a situation are far different from what was expected. This results in a feeling of surprise and unfairness due to the odd situation. - tybris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Isn't it ironic that most people don't know the meaning of the word ironic?"
- Yossarko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18>>i literally die when I see people misuse words like that
Well, that's ironic...considering you misused "literally"... - Tredici, on 10/12/2007, -1/+52@Shaun1018
Actually, courtesy of George Carlin:
If a diabetic is hit by a truck, it's a normal death.
If a diabetic is hit by a sugar truck, it's an odd and tragic death.
If a diabetic is hit by an insulin truck, it's a coincidental and oddly poetic death.
But if a diabetic is on his way to get some insulin and he gets hit by an insulin truck, then that's ironic. - xeno439, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Just don't mention that horrendous Canadian singer who made an entire stupid song about irony
- Rabbethan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think it would be ironic if we were all made of iron!
(It's a RvB reference)
- fatadamblog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18This is amazing because I thought It was on purpose that the founders made the search engine that way. Lightweight so even on Dial up you can do a quick search.
- t3soro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23thats a great point, i remember when mostly everyone still had dialup, the main reason i used google over yahoo or any other competitors was because of the relatively fast load time.
- citsym, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1This has been posted several times on digg.
- hadiz, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Yeah.
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Some_Interesting_Facts_About_Google - short_man, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Doesn't EVERYONE know this????
- hadiz, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Yeah.
- laxwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -3/+61I googled it and its in fact true
- dxgg, on 02/05/2008, -5/+3So? Neither does Bill Gates.
- Nick22, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7....how could you do any sort of web development and not know HTML...Its like the simplest language out there.
- patience, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Waste time learning code or spend time learning how to run a business.
Ideas are whats important. You can always hire a code genious to write it for you.
- patience, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Waste time learning code or spend time learning how to run a business.
- mikexcore, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4duhhhh. old old news.
this is the reason why to this day google adsense's html codes dont validate as correct HTML. lol.
but they have billions of dollars now.. they dont give a ***** about HTML and i wouldnt either.- kofrad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6i would, standards compliance makes everyone happy
- notjamt9000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle.com
- mikexcore, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"Result: Failed validation, 46 errors" ***** hahahah.
- ray73864, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1'Result: Failed validation, 65 errors' - American version.
'Result: Failed validation, 45 errors' - Google Australia
i wonder how accurate that validator is?
even so, it doesn't surprise me that it doesn't validate. - Phil246, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Strange, for me that validator url links to google.co.jp, while im in the uk. Must be detecting and redirecting based on the ip of the validator itself or some load balancing scheme. Anyhow, it fails validation primarily because no doctype is specified - the rest of the errors tend to be inaccurate after that since it doesnt know how to validate the page properly
- caban, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I can't think of one really big site that does validate apart from wikipedia.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myspace.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aol.com
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digg.com - mikewhite314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Digg does.
- caban, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It does now it seems like...didn't a while ago
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@caban - maybe you should learn about more "big" sites... try startign with MSN:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msn.com - caban, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So..MSN only have 1 error...and your point being?
- emehrkay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the only reason digg didnt validate for me one time is because of one of the titles in an article used & instead of &
- alamko1999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Sometimes you just dont need to know everything
- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Didn't know that.
- dyvbond, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I remember reading a lot of these facts in The Google Story,
Interesting book if your interested in...Google.
http://www.thegooglestory.com/ - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You know, just judging from the look of some of their more recently released sites, I would guess they still don't know it.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Submit buttons are for nerds... ;)
- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3the more crap piled on to a webpage the more chances it will have coding flaws & the greater chance it will look like poopoo, simple is better (always has and always will be)...
i hate a cluttered webpage, i like them clean & simple and to the point, when i see a page with three columns 20% or more is dedicated to advertising i immediately close that page and it has no chance of being added to my bookmarks and no chance of being re-visited by me...- ray73864, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2umm, your logic is flawed, you come back to visit Digg each day and that has 2 columns, the ad column takes up quite a bit of space.
- fatchuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You mean like Digg.com?
- OutThisLife, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21HTML is easy. PHP is easy. Design is hard.
- ray73864, on 10/13/2007, -3/+5agreed, i can code up websites, be it HTML or PHP, getting the design of the website on the other hand is not as easy, it takes precision to do. What looks good on paper is an excellent starting point though.
- kuek1991, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1A blank paper?
- GavinZac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1sure it is. now where did i save that Scrift-fu for a "wet floor" effect and beta sticker?
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Marissa is pretty cute. http://www.google.com/corporate/images/management/marissa.jpg
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sheesh, you guys don't like girls. :P
- Hybride, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Google Founders couldn't even spell Googol... hmm, I'm beginning to doubt their intelligence.
- Laurentvw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually, it's their first employee who made the mistake. Larry/Sergey asked him to register the domain name but he misunderstood the word they were saying.
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Weird.
I always thought Googles interface was basically inherited from Deja News.
Deja News went online just as HTTP was born, so it had a very simple interface pretty much by necessity - and it looked much like Google.
Google appeared later, and eventually bought Deja News. - atomicity, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0hey! she's that chick from the orkut login page:
https://www.orkut.com/GLogin.aspx - semiotix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1If I could go back in time...
ME: Hey, Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin! I've come from the future to tell you what becomes of your search engine!
THEM: Really? Great, what happens to it?
ME: Well, it's pretty popular, and you eventually make some money on it. But everyone agrees it would've been a lot more popular if you'd just made some adjustments to the page design.
THEM: Uh-oh. That could be a problem. We don't really know a lot of HTML.
ME: Well don't worry, because the <blink> tag is easy to use, and it's a cinch to change the background color to magenta! - renatosousa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5this is weird...
If they didn't knew HTML, how could they parse all the HTML on the webpages to index it?
Even if they didn't knew html, the page is simple and clean, wich is good :D- tybris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Something like: $content ~= s///g; ?
- sirdaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They probably knew how to use 'know'
- renatosousa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@sirdaz
do you mean i made a mistake on my post?
with 'knew' replacing 'know' ?
English is not my native language.. so it was not on purpose..
I was talking about something in the past.. so i put 'knew'.. isn't that right?
I'm not arguing anything.. i'm just trying to fix my english..
sorry about my typo then.. - Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm no English expert, but this is what I think:
He knew [correct]
He didn't knew [incorrect]
It is because the "didn't" already makes it past tense, so you are supposed to use the present tense form of the word. Basically, you used two past tense verbs. You can replace knew with other past tense forms of words and it's the same. - renatosousa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2thanks for your comment clbck,
next time i'll remember that.
greetings
- tobb555, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2In other news weve been to the moon. But really how didnt already know this.
- neiltc13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Did YOU know HTML back in 199X?
- tybris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yes. The good ol' table/frameset days. Too few have been through this mind-wrecking experience.
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes. And Perl, CGI, and the NCSA webserver (which I had to compile myself on a Indigo R3000, aaaaah, those were the days).
- Yossarko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Simple is beautiful
- chingy1788, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Google should invert the page colour from white to black to save energy
CRTs and Plasmas use a lot more energy to produce that white screen than having a black screen
this was also an article on digg - an0n1m0us, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1this is ancient news
- Chaindrop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2ancient ?... this is spart...oh wait...
- wildrices, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like Google because it's NOT overkill
- iOsiris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5they should of just googled it.
- Codeman917, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1good ol' "should of"
- ChronoCracker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The Google Homepage is way too simple and empty for my liking. I like the new Yahoo! homepage, atleast it is a bit attractive. Live.com does look slick but it's too empty.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You can personalize Google's homepage. The default is sparse but it's easy to add RSS feeds, widgets, etc
- synthox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yep you can make it as trashy as you like. I think you can actually put a tractor tire sandbox widget that tells you when to plant the corn. And a slip and slide widget for the weather.
- tshelbywaid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I guess ignorance would fall under the banner, necessity is the mother of all invention.
- qishi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I have to wonder (and laugh) about how many digg-retards saw this headline and thought, "Wow, I'm smarter than the Google guys."
- screamthenrun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0wait... did this actually suprise anyone?
- imfm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm glad they didn't know HTML; I like sparse, simple and fast. When I search for something, I don't want distractions or a page that takes longer than a second or two to load. I want my results, and I want them in a hurry. If I'm looking for crustacean biology or antibiotic contraindications, I don't need a video clip of "speed painting with ketchup," (or any other kind of food art) and I'm not interested in real estate, news headlines, sports, my credit score, horoscopes or finding a single man within my zip code. If I want any of that stuff, I'll just google it. ;)
- jake3988, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Good. They sure as hell better not change it.
In fact, I would kill to see the day where every webpage was that simple.
Although, I have to admit, I like those 'futuristic' looking webpages with the gray backgrounds. - jinushaun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Makes sense. Just because you can program in zxy language, does NOT mean you know how to code HTML markup or how to do it well. That's why the web development field is full of designer-turned-programmers rather than programmers. That's also why there is so much bad/ugly HTML/PHP/ASP code out there because there is no formal CS training for a lot of web developers.
- 5plic3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I learned C and C++ before HTML. It wasn't until 2001 that I finally decided HTML was worth learning.
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Just because you can program in zxy language, does NOT mean you know how to code HTML markup or how to do it well."
Yup, but a programmer can learn it in a relatively short time. Vice versa is sadly not the case as one can see by examining PHP "code" floating around on the web.
- ecosocrights, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0good google! be simple and you would excell!!
- zmigliozzi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2its not like it only takes 1 day to learn. oh wait it does.
- Sam3425, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This article says the people almost never use the "I'm feeling lucky" button, but I use it all the time. That's what firefox redirects you to when you type words in the URL bar.
- SlayerKid99, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1HUH? WOOOOOOOOOOWWWW, THIS IS LIKE THE BIGGEST NEWS EVER... NOT!!! Why should anyone care about this?
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1
(Continue it)- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1WTF?
I typed
Hmm... HTML dissapears n Digg comments...
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1WTF?
- siac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This seems a bit odd. They wrote a search engine spider that crawls HTML pages but they don't know HTML? Wouldn't a search spider need a good understanding of HTML in order to quickly extract relevant content (from say just the surrounding markup), to follow links, read meta tags, etc.
- xShad0w, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Go Google!, now its fairly unneccesary to know HTML beyond the basics because of dreamweaver and stuff, I am deffiniatly not going to learn it and yea thank god they didn't because thats what made google so great
- Pensador, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah right...
- camilos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm a developer and I know only the basics of HTML. That's why we have designers AND developers. I write the code, pass the results back to the designer/artist and let him decide how to make it pretty.
There are so many developers out there that "think" they're also html designers. That's why we see so many crap looking websites around.
The Google guys are/were developers that knew they were not designers.- siac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have to disagree with you.
I am also a developer (both desktop and web applications) , I think one of the most crucial skills a web developer needs is a solid understanding of HTML. I have worked on projects with dozens of developers over the last 5 or so years and have came to the conclusion that in order to quickly develop websites/applications that are quick loading, responsive and scalable a strong knowledge of HTML is massively advantageous.
At the end of the day the server side code (php, asp, ror, etc) you are programming is responsible for dynamically generating HTML. That's the key here, In a typical website your job is to turn business objects/data etc into an HTML representation. Occasionaly you may get some more 'pure' programming (for example some complex mathematical equation) but typically a web developers job is simply turning data into HTML. You may get to this end point in a number of ways, for example to display a table of database data you may use an ASP.NET Gridview control, or you may directly enumerate a recordset and build up the HTML yourself. Either way HTML knowledge will be helpful, For example you may optomize the code the gridview control produces to speed up loading of your pages.
Another (very) simple example of where a developer should know HTML would be if the website required a panel to drop down in response to an event such as a mouse click (for the sake of our example lets say it also changes color). You would use DHTML (javascript to manipulate the DOM) to achieve this. With the rise in Ajax this need is more imperative than ever for a web developer (It's HTML you need to maniuplate after recieving that XML response back from the server).
Don't even get me started on how much harder it is to scale and make changes to bad/bloated HTML created by designers. Sometimes it can require a major effort just to move a layout element to somewhere else on the page, for that reason I much prefer to create HTML/CSS myself, and not leave it to someone who's job it is to make things pretty. Typically my workflow with a designer involves him/her making an interface mock up in Fireworks or Photoshop. After that it is MY job to slice it, and turn it into beautiful and elegant HTML/CSS.
For a web developer to think they don't need to have a good understanding of HTML is naive. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HTML is not design. I agree with you that someone doing web development must at least understand HTML and CSS, but a lot are poor designers. A designer designs, a HTML/CSS coder turns it into HTML/CSS and a web developer uses this. It's as simple as that. People who claim to be able to do all those steps are most of the time extremely poor at programming, or very poor at design, or both.
- siac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have to disagree with you.
- geneticlone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Your all pretty much morons... It's not that the guys at google didn't know html its that most of their code was generated out of programming languages such as python, and they probably just smacked it together for the look. The guys weren't designers thats all... sheesh some people just make me laugh..
- thesimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1old news, isnt this the reason why they have such a simplistic look to the google pages. cuz initially they didnt know how to make a fancy one. Its a blessing in disguise, we dont need another bloaty yahoo type site
- h0dg3s, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Blogs are not news *****, remove your blogspam slapnuts
- darkyoshi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1digg down...
- nasanbu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wrooooooooonnnnng.
the reason the home page looks this way is because of marissa mayer. if you have a second, check out this 2005 article from fast company:
The Beauty of Simplicity
From: Issue 100 | November 2005 | Page 52 | By: Linda Tischler
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/100/beauty-of-simplicity.html
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"Marissa Mayer, who keeps Google's home page pure, understands that less is more."
..."As Google's director of consumer Web products, she's responsible for the search site's look and feel. Mayer is a tall, blond 30-year-old with two Stanford degrees in computer science and an infectious laugh. She's also Google's high priestess of simplicity, defending the home page against all who would clutter it up."
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**my apologies if i am repeating this if it has already been established, i didn't bother to read all the comments. seriously though.. who reeeeally thinks that larry and serge didn't know html? c'mon folks. - mdyoke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That doesn't seem too surprising. Writing HTML has to be technically vacuous compared to designing and implementing effective web search algorithms and putting together a massively parallel and fault-tolerant computing platform to index all of the planet's knowledge.
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