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Google offers API for Outlook migration to Gmail
infoworld.com — Google took a giant step on Friday to make it easier for companies to migrate any e-mail system over to Google Apps Gmail by offering an E-mail Migration API targeted at corporate developers and e-mail administrators. Find the API details here: http://code.google.com/apis/apps/email_migration/ developers_guide_protocol.htm
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- sockpuppets, on 11/17/2007, -0/+11Working link.
http://code.google.com/apis/apps/email_migration/d ... - fkr3, on 11/17/2007, -25/+12Who honestly would downgrade from Outlook to gmail?
- pagemap, on 11/17/2007, -6/+15Downgrade? How can you reach that conclusion?
- fkr3, on 11/17/2007, -12/+7The short answer is Outlook is powerful and robust.
- bitspace, on 11/17/2007, -4/+17Outlook is fat, bloated, clunky, crashy and insecure. I'm forced to try to use it at work. Besides, if you like Outlook, you can continue to use Outlook as a client to GMail's POP or IMAP.
- fkr3, on 11/17/2007, -7/+1I think you need a new machine or a fresh image.
Doesn't using Outlook as the client make moving from Outlook to gmail kind of pointless? - cleverboy, on 11/17/2007, -1/+6Makes it pointless if you have ZERO imagination or a very loose grip on the realities and challenges of an Internet driven global paradigm.
Even if Microsoft themselves offered a way to store all of your mail and make your Outlook effectively a network e-mail client, it'd be useful to many people who work from multiple locations and need access to e-mail anywhere. Currently, Microsoft's solution is called "Exchange", and involves highly expensive client licenses and difficult to configure Extranet and VPN solutions. Using Gmail as IMAP solves a lot of these headaches inexpensively and universally. Keep making excuses though, its cute.
Yes, yes... I would LOVE to be able to search all the mail I'd ever recieved from my iPhone. I can? For free? SWEET. Screw Outlook. - Atomic1fire, on 11/17/2007, -1/+1gmail is also a pop3/imap provider
NOT JUST A CLIENT
use what ever client you want because gmail is cool like that
and for free
hotmail requires paying microsoft every month for that functionality
- fkr3, on 11/17/2007, -7/+1I think you need a new machine or a fresh image.
- bitspace, on 11/17/2007, -4/+17Outlook is fat, bloated, clunky, crashy and insecure. I'm forced to try to use it at work. Besides, if you like Outlook, you can continue to use Outlook as a client to GMail's POP or IMAP.
- fkr3, on 11/17/2007, -12/+7The short answer is Outlook is powerful and robust.
- luchid, on 11/17/2007, -2/+11Ignore fkr3. His head is too far up Microsoft's ass.
- fkr3, on 11/17/2007, -4/+2Pretend I said "Who honestly would downgrade from Thunderbird to gmail" if it makes you feel better, the argument's still the same.
- Atomic1fire, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1I just use simple mail firefox extension
because its a lot better then running seamonkey or opera for a few of my own reasons
- Atomic1fire, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1I just use simple mail firefox extension
- fkr3, on 11/17/2007, -4/+2Pretend I said "Who honestly would downgrade from Thunderbird to gmail" if it makes you feel better, the argument's still the same.
- hmunkey, on 11/17/2007, -2/+2Fkr3 has a valid point. If you look at it from a non-biased standpoint, Outlook does have more capabilities and functionality than Gmail.
- pagemap, on 11/17/2007, -6/+15Downgrade? How can you reach that conclusion?
- theOster, on 11/17/2007, -18/+13RD POST!!!
- Stonekeeper, on 11/17/2007, -0/+3epic fail
- forcedfx, on 11/17/2007, -7/+18I don't think I'd trust my company's email correspondence to Google as benevolent as they may be. I'd rather have MY Exchange server on MY hardware.
- HappyTux, on 11/17/2007, -2/+4I think you mean MS's Exchange server on your hardware there is a difference the MY implies you control the program not Microsoft with its ability to screw your sever with any old changes they want.
- defconoi, on 11/17/2007, -4/+46Here are my reasons to switch over...
1. gmail has imap/pop, so I can use any email client I want, even my browser!
2. It can handle the large amount of spam that is overloading some companies/isp's mail servers
3. Advanced Filtering
4. Advanced Labeling
5. Virus Scanned Attachments
6. You can view pdf's docs and other files and xfer them over to google documents.
7. In browser communication via gtalk
8. I can access it anywhere
9. Its secure.
10. Its fast.
11. It has very nice mobile applications to check email on the go.
12. Gmail can check all your other email accounts in your settings tab on the top, and send mail from any email address as well, I love this feature
If these things are important to you, use gmail, as of using proprietary software from microsoft, I only do that because my company requires us to use microsoft products, there is plenty of better solutions, I cant wait until whole companies switch over to Ubuntu or another Linux Distribution, as for checking mail and doing most work related things here at cableone, its all possible and more stream lined in Ubuntu with multiple screens and better resource handling and tons of opensource applications... People dont like to change, yet change is inevitable, and not changing will only cause suffering!
Peace
-defcon- CraigJ, on 11/17/2007, -1/+23More:
One (or more) less Windows server licenses
No Exhange license requirement
No need for a full time IT guy to keep exchange running. - luchid, on 11/17/2007, -0/+6They also acquired Postini,a huge company that deals with -among other things- communication compliance policies, group and privacy policies, archiving and organizational policies, stuff that big corporations need to have in order to comply with tons of laws that regulate those things. It was already used by tons of fortune 500 companies and now they're slowly migrating those services to Google Apps' users in both free and a small per user per year fee. It was a HUGE move that wasn't really advertised and is driving companies into Google's services at a really fast pace.
- EdwardsNH, on 11/17/2007, -3/+3"9. It's secure" ???
How do you figure?- wiifm69, on 11/17/2007, -0/+3it's what we call the magic of SSL
- zwaldowski, on 11/17/2007, -0/+3Inherently MORE secure, at any rate.
- illegalcortex, on 11/18/2007, -1/+1While I like gmail and even switched my domain over to Google Apps, I can't agree with you on googles labeling and filtering compared to Exchange/Outlook. Have you ever used the latter? It's quite advanced in comparison. I especially chafe at being forced into only using labels in gmail. Labels are good and all, but sometimes folder hierarchies are really what you need. Especially with my work email. I also get annoyed that there's no way to show unlabeled messages, only either "All Mail" or specific labels. Exchange supports both folders, flags (like flagging something as Important, or flagging it to need a response within X days), and categories (which are equivalent to gmail's labels). And you can set up very sophisticated custom view withing sort and threading based on these features. While I'm happy with gmail for other reasons, I really do miss the configurability of the outlook views.
FYI, here's an example of outlook's filters and views:
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2032/outlook_2007_u ...
http://www.outlook-tips.net/howto/custom_views.htm
http://www.andrewconnell.com/blog/archive/2005/03/ ...
- CraigJ, on 11/17/2007, -1/+23More:
- dazparkour, on 11/17/2007, -0/+9I would be tempted to let gmail handle the server side of my mail and still use an outlook client over IMAP to read it.
As the above post says, junk filtering. I would rather let them do it than spend more on infostructure and filtering software. - defconoi, on 11/17/2007, -2/+13forcedfx, if your email is being relayed over the web "at all" all your correspondence is already being intercepted and logged by the nsa, the days of security have passed... As Franklin says, "Those that would give up liberty in the pursuit of security shall have neither."
Recently the government has been infringing on our rights and privacy online globally. This doesn't just effect the United States, the NSA in the United States is and has been logging more than 50% of all internet communications. And most likely All smtp/pop/imap and webmail is probably logged and filtered for certain keywords.
I take Privacy & The freedoms we had and are now loosing seriously.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been fighting for our rights for years and needs more support. The EFF has fought the FBI for the past few years and got important information shedding light on DCS-3000 aka Red Hook. This system logs phone communications. And this is just the FBI.. The NSA has the biggest & best computer systems in the world with the most storage and could actively sort/log everything that it needs to. Anyways as for security, you can use pgp or gpg.- natenovs, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1but in house exchange set ups arent being relayed over the net, just within the domain.
- EdwardsNH, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2How many people do you think they have to look at all these emails? I mean really, even with very specific filters, there couldn't be enough people in American to read all the emails that would be flagged.
- Nemisisx, on 11/18/2007, -0/+0If you have domain (e.g myname@at mydomain .com ) email hosted on a remote server , with unknown admins ( shared or dedicated hosting ) then those emails, sent or received are not private and can be read ( a matter of trust ) - no privacy at all on the internet .
- Nev9, on 11/17/2007, -12/+1Gmail should be importing into outlook. not the other way around
- Nev9, on 11/17/2007, -1/+15never mind, what i just said was retarted
- daleeburg, on 11/17/2007, -0/+6I complement you on recognizing your own stupidity, you are now more intelligent than 3/4 of digg.
- Nev9, on 11/17/2007, -1/+15never mind, what i just said was retarted
- bitspace, on 11/17/2007, -3/+3Thunderbird and Mail.app both perform faster and more consistently than GMail or any other webmail. I am using GMail for my domain's mail, have been for years, but I use it with a local client. I do use the webmail client from a browser when I'm away from my own desk, and that's a nice convenience as well. It's certainly a lot smoother and has far more features than Outlook Web Access.
- RobotBuddha, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1When I was stuck in server tech support, we had almost as many people with problems from mail.app as outlook. I don't know if it's gotten any better in the past few years, but apple half-assed a lot of things in it back in the day.
- sandiegoliving, on 11/17/2007, -5/+3Yeah thats what I want to do... Hand over my gigs of mail so Google can better serve me ADs by reading all of it. This is a total privacy issue. Google needs to have an op-out option for reading my mail before I would fully switch.
- dazparkour, on 11/17/2007, -1/+4It doesn't really "read" your mail as such, it grabs some keywords.
You make it sound like a person is reading it. Adblock works with google text ads.
I'm now using IMAP since gmail has rolled it out, no text ads now. - Bamborzled, on 11/17/2007, -0/+6And your spam filter "reads" your emails as well.
- jakem1, on 11/17/2007, -5/+1Yes but my spam filtering is running on my server and all it's doing is spam filtering. By reading email Google can build up detailed profiles on people which can be used in conjunction with other tools Google offers, or sold to third-parties and used in ways that you wouldn't have considered and may not be happy with. This may seem paranoid but it is possible and is a valid reason to keep email decentralised.
- Atomic1fire, on 11/17/2007, -0/+6and those emails sent by your sever and received by your server probably passed through Att lines
- zwaldowski, on 11/17/2007, -0/+3And, apparently, not to use spam filters. You act like they can't do this, too.
- jakem1, on 11/17/2007, -5/+1Yes but my spam filtering is running on my server and all it's doing is spam filtering. By reading email Google can build up detailed profiles on people which can be used in conjunction with other tools Google offers, or sold to third-parties and used in ways that you wouldn't have considered and may not be happy with. This may seem paranoid but it is possible and is a valid reason to keep email decentralised.
- NeonElixir, on 11/17/2007, -0/+3They do. It costs $50 a year per user. The ads are optional if you pay for the service.
- dazparkour, on 11/17/2007, -1/+4It doesn't really "read" your mail as such, it grabs some keywords.
- octopus, on 11/17/2007, -1/+1google again
- defconoi, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2it has ssl lol, and ssl pop3/imap, at least its not plain text
- motters, on 11/17/2007, -6/+1Does anyone still use Microsoft Outlook ?
- sparkey, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2Um... have you been in the corporate world?!? You really don't have a choice.
I just wish there was a reliable Gmail-to-Outlook (or Exchange) sync. - icky, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2Do you ever leave your basement? In the corporate world, Outlook is ubiquitous.
- NeonElixir, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1Unfortunately.
- sparkey, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2Um... have you been in the corporate world?!? You really don't have a choice.
- stutimandal, on 11/17/2007, -3/+2Google is using Microsoft's bad outlook to crush its software called Outlook :D
Anyway, it's time the morons from Microsoft learned that there are better free products than their $299 software. Google apps for small business is amazing, I will be setting it up for my website soon.- aliguana, on 11/17/2007, -1/+2well, good for you. But in 90% of the business world runs on Outlook, like it or not. Until there actually IS a better free product, MS will continue to dominate. Like it or not.
- davewho, on 11/18/2007, -0/+1Outlook has a maximum price of $110. This doesn't include Exchange server/client licensing, but still.
- Malakin, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2What I needed was a utility to export Thunderbird address book entries to a CSV format that Gmail will actually import properly. I spent a couple hours using mostly trial and error to figure out what CVS headers put what items where and came up with a set of headers that cover all the important stuff. I still can't get it to put the City, State, and Zip into the little boxes for them, but I can get them into the location box at least. It looks like you need to modify your source CSV and put some of this information in quotes with commas in them to fill those boxes (too much manual work for large address books), so there may be no simple header that will do this.
Thunderbird is one of the most popular email clients. It would probably take a Google engineer only a few hours to modify their contact import function so that it supports CSVs from Thunderbird.
Why is importing address books from Thunderbird not supported?
For anyone who stumbles upon this post while Googling for a solution to this, here is my current list of headers that you can overwrite in Thunderbird's exported address book CSV:
First Name,Last Name,Name,Nickname,E-mail Address,E-mail 2 Address,Business Phone,Home Phone,Business Fax,Pager,Mobile Phone,Home Street,Home Street 2,Home City,Home State,Home ZipCode,Home Country,Business Street,Business Street 2,Business City,Business State,Business Zip,Business Country,Job Title,Department,Company,Web Page 1,Web Page 2,Birth Year,Birth Month,Birth Day,Custom 1,Custom 2,Custom 3,Custom 4,Notes
Just replace the commas with tabs and you can paste it right into your spreadsheet as the headers (the first row of the CSV exported from Thunderbird's address book).- geoken, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1They should just make it the way outlook works. When you import a csv it gives you the option of letting it guess which field corresponds to each csv header or you can manually link them. When you choose the manual way you get a huge list of every single field that outlook's address book list supports then you get a list of all the headers in your csv and you choose which csv header corresponds to which fields.
- rnideffer, on 11/17/2007, -4/+0Lets move email from one place to another using, oh, I dont know, XML OVER HTTP?! WHAT THE HELL is google thinking? SMTP is the perfect ubiquitous transfer for email, and they want to do it over HTTP with XML? Jesus, they have way too much time on their hands over there.
- icky, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2I think you are a little confused. SMTP is a great transport for the delivery of mail. It isn't a great transport for migration. There is a huge market of mail migration tools out there and not one of them actually uses SMTP. SMTP lacks the necessary features to move a message to a new system and retain the original sender and date information. Migration tools for Exchange, Groupwise and Notes use those system's proprietary protcols to get at the data (ie MAPI for Exchange) and usually support IMAP as well for migration to/from systems that are standards based (ie sendmail). But even IMAP isn't perfect for migration. A real API intended for the purpose is pretty innovative and will actually make writing code to move mail in and out of Gmail a lot easier.
- foxmajik, on 11/17/2007, -2/+4And then one day Google decides that Gmail and Google Apps is no longer free.
I don't think I'd want to be the IT guy on the receiving end of that disaster. - wpgbrownie, on 11/17/2007, -0/+2The only deal breaker for me is: There is no official support in the way of syncing my PDA with gmail. :(
- wilsonthecat, on 11/18/2007, -0/+1Once Google take their bums out of their behind and provide column sorting, and possibly some kind of plugin system too then this might just work. That on its own is enough to put a lot of firms off.
As someone mentioned also, PDA syncing is a problem that costs you $10 to fix
Also the fact your email isn't available unless you have the internet will no doubt put a lot of firms off. Sounds stupid but I know a lot of companies where users use Email as one big document management system. - PHLAK, on 11/18/2007, -0/+1I am an avid Thunderbird user for my several personal domain email accounts, however, I also have 2 Gmail accounts that I have POPed to Thunderbird. I totally agree that Gmail is by far the best email platform available at the moment.
- BingeBoy, on 11/18/2007, -0/+1Someone tell google how to render html in messages please! Coding mailers is a nightmare.
- monkchips, on 11/19/2007, -0/+0"And then one day Google decides that Gmail and Google Apps is no longer free. I don't think I'd want to be the IT guy on the receiving end of that disaster." - that's what Google Docs, the per pay offer, is for....
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