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- advertboy2007, on 07/07/2008, -21/+239Welcome to the real world people! You have kids,expect to pay for their up-bringing. Im single with a GF, we talk about kids all the time and we are in agreement that we will only bring them into this world if we can afford them! I for one am tired of all the perks that go to parents, if you can't afford them then don't have them. It's all about budgeting!
- DeathJux, on 07/07/2008, -22/+164So, you work for Google, one of arguably the greatest IT companies on Earth, you're likely swimming in shares and are undoubtedly taken care of in more ways than most workers can DREAM of, and you're complaining that they're raising the price of childcare?
GTFO. - gaqua, on 07/07/2008, -2/+108I'm glad I work for Microsoft, we get the privilege of selling our children for excess stock options.
I now have 30,000 shares, and if Susie doesn't get a B average next quarter I'll get myself that house in the Hamptons. - locamama, on 07/06/2008, -6/+111Wow, that is a huge price increase but those employees do have other options. They can still receive quality child care at a much lower cost offsite.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -1/+64You see the problem with that is that it causes people who are capable of rational thought to NOT have kids and the ones who aren't to have kids.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -12/+71Give me a ***** break. You have kids, you pay for day care. ***** this is a retarded article.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -10/+68Any company that will subsidize daycare to the tune of 30k+ per year (per participant) isn't giving parents the shaft, they're giving themselves the shaft.
Welcome to the rest of the world, self-righteous Google employees. Suck it up, the rest of us are. - darkhero, on 07/07/2008, -17/+66Everybody wants everything for free. ***** cry babies.
- schroeder, on 07/07/2008, -3/+39I completely agree. It seems people today want a particular lifestyle that generally requires a good amount of money. When you add kids into the equation the lifestyle only grudgingly changes and people complain about the cost of raising them. The answer is to live more simply or to have less children, but not to put it on someone else to take care of your children. Young children need to have real time with parents, not to be put off on others only to be returned to you after you're too tired to deal with them.
- kev110382, on 07/07/2008, -9/+44Most of you morons are missing the point of the whole thing. It ain't about Googlers feeling entitled to free child care- its that they have to pay 57 THOUSAND DOLLARS PER CHILD for it. The average salary at Google is under $100k a year which put child care at well over half of your annual salary. Like the article said, Google had CCLC for care before they decided they wanted to spend obscene amounts on their own system.
Cisco, Microsoft, and most other companies only have to subsidize $12k a year per kid or less than 1/4 of what Google is doing. It's not the parents fault Google dropped the ball on this one. If anything, it's Google that feels entitled to do whatever they want. I know first hand that Cisco's child care is well under $20k a year and they still provide free drinks, food, and huge salaries to their employees.
You stupid ass Diggers sing Google's praises all damn day but in reality Google isn't any better than any other big corporation. - 1ibeckett, on 07/07/2008, -7/+42Besides the fact that you say as much it is clear that you do not have kids... Folks without kids live in a different world than folks with kids, and both types of people can be very arrogant towards the other.
Though one thing that comes to mind in response to your budgeting comment is the old saying; "if you wait until you can afford kids, you will never have them". - TheWriteGuy, on 07/07/2008, -17/+48Do you Google parents here that? I'm playing the world's smallest violin right now.
- xaxxon, on 07/07/2008, -9/+33I don't have a kid. I want to know where my $37,000 perk (the stated amount of the subsidy google is/was paying for daycare) is that the parent doesn't get.
Where I work they clearly stated that they would not be starting an in-house daycare for exactly this reason. You want to have kids? You pay for taking care of them out of the fair salary we already pay you. - Iztikeit, on 07/07/2008, -5/+28Yeah, Google, while a great company that does plenty for its employees, shouldn't go too far out of their way to please everyone. It's a business, not God.
- CheeseNRice, on 07/07/2008, -10/+32Do you honestly think that everyone working for google is "swimming in shares".
- spamly, on 07/07/2008, -2/+23I'm guessing Google rejected your résumé because you can't spell "hear". On the other hand, you apparently can play really tiny violins. I hope that works out for you.
- Iztikeit, on 07/07/2008, -1/+2136grand a year? That's more than many people make in a year in the first place.
- TheGambit, on 07/07/2008, -0/+20This is another brilliant move by Google:
Run off all the old married people with kids =
(a) Lower insurance costs for the company (expense savings)
(b) Replace with younger, single people who'll work 24/7 (for a while) ..and not miss as much time due to 'kids being sick' which equals more productivity for Google.
(c) Those younger, newer employees will be brought in at lower salaries which equals even more expense savings! - Stroggoth, on 07/07/2008, -0/+19Just a note - when any large company that experienced a growth phase like that suddenly begins cutting services, no matter how extravagant, it means that the bottom line numbers are shrinking and the belt needs tightening. It is the beginning of the downward slope, the transition from teenager with infinite potential to 30-something with a future of slow decline ahead.
- richiewrt, on 07/07/2008, -7/+25Google, or any company for that matter, should not be subsidizing child care for anyone. That is like giving people without kids less pay for the same work.
- lohphat, on 07/07/2008, -1/+19For the cost of daycare you can hire a nanny. Bonus if she can fly.
- adiyo011, on 07/06/2008, -19/+36This is a duplicate post.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/05/business/05nocer ... - pacman122, on 07/07/2008, -4/+21I don't work at Google and I hate your kids, therefore this story isn't news
- sab0tage, on 07/07/2008, -1/+18Did you RTFA? They weren't getting the child care for free in the first place. Google hired an outside company to do the child care which almost everyone loved. One of the VPs decided to set up a day care managed by Google, getting people with degrees to look after the kids, which obviously costs more than just care workers, they then boosted the salaries of the workers in the old daycare (by getting new staff in) and that pushed the costs up further. The change wasn't wanted by the majority of the people at Google.
Think of it as having two schools, one public and one private. The private costs more to run than the public school, but one person decides that the private school is better because they teach Scientology classes instead of Christian ones. They upgrade the public school to the same standards as the private one, all the while the kids are in there, and the parents are paying $10k a year, but now since the costs have gone up, Google now wants the parents to pay $40k a year, $30k extra for something only one VP with a bent idea of childcare thinks is a good idea. - xaxxon, on 07/07/2008, -3/+19Why should I pay for your kid's upbringing? You're not paying for mine. If we both work at google right now, my share price is falling because the company is paying $37k/year for your kid. Where's MY $37k?
- deadbaby, on 07/07/2008, -2/+17Why? Google isn't in the daycare business. There's no shortage of average no-frills daycare out there.
- SeanRoss, on 07/07/2008, -0/+15Your saying they didnt find $1425 a month rediculous to begin with? that's a 1/4 of my yearly tuition
- asus2000, on 07/07/2008, -3/+18Ding, we have a winner!! Go to the slums (they're attached to every city) and the inhabitants DO HAVE PERKS and are having LOTS OF CHILDREN...
The idiots are out breeding the bright.....
also, Idiocracy - great movie. - Elliuotatar, on 07/07/2008, -3/+17Also Google's don't be evil policy went out the window the minute they became a publically traded company. I tried for a month to convince Adwords support that they'd made a mistake recording my conversions somehow and that they charged me twice what they should have last month, offering them data on how many sales I made, and my own server logs which indicate another metric of theirs was way off, but so far they've refused to refund any of the $500 they took from me. I finally had to contest the charges with my bank. I'm still waiting to find out if they'll have any better luck.
- Crossmenjeff, on 07/07/2008, -5/+19given all of the benefits their employees receive its funny to hear them complain about 1 thing that seems to me be easily offset by the money saved through other benefits.
- garths, on 07/07/2008, -1/+15There are now, what, 15 or 20 thousand people at Google? Most of them joined after the IPO, and a huge chunk of them are working fairly low level support type roles. These people are not rich.
The unfortunate fact is that any small, fun, "special" company inevitably grows big to the point where its "specialness" vanishes. it happened to Microsoft, and it is happening to Google now. I personally know several people who would have loved to work at Google a few years ago, but now have no real interest. - inactive, on 07/06/2008, -5/+19I wonder if that comes with shares of stock too - wow
- Duncan3, on 07/07/2008, -2/+15If you have kids, you've already figured out that working past 8 hours a day is no fun, and that family and friends matter more then working yourself to death for a company - and Google WANTS you to quit. You're not helping their insurance costs any with those kids and your own rapidly aging body.
Besides, how long can you stand to be around 22 year olds who thing the most awesome thing in the universe is knowing why manhole covers are round? - bullhead2007, on 07/07/2008, -0/+13Hey man God needs money okay?
- aliengoods, on 07/07/2008, -3/+15As a single guy, I can quite easily say many of my coworkers use their kids as a get-out-of-work early card.
- sturmgiest, on 07/07/2008, -2/+14I think Ferrari was named one of the best companies in the entire world to work for, very recently. Even higher than Google.
- Genma, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12legally marital status is either single or married, there's nothing in between. so gf still counts as single, same as divorced or widowed.
- vtnerd, on 07/07/2008, -13/+24Except for the fact that they these parents were able to afford the kids until (pure speculation, they might still be able to afford it now) Google raised the prices.
But please enlighten me, what perks go to parents? I'm guessing you're upset about things like maternity leave b/c I'm not sure what other benefits those evil parents are getting.
$55k per year on daycare is absolutely ridiculous, end of discussion. - SniperGX1, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12Not since they went public
- elig, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12No surprise. Last week, I just took a great job at MS after Google dicked around for 6 months with 3 job applications (submitted internally, and all ignored). When I applied to MS, they followed up pronto, put me on an airplane from Europe to Redmond within a week on the phone screen, did 10 hours of interviews in a day, and they put a job offer in my e-mail box the next day.
I know they're supposedly the "evil empire", but everyone was awesome - at least as smart as the folks at Google, and they were really fun people, too. And the salary was really competitive, too. Tell me why everyone is so fixated on working at Google again? - xaxxon, on 07/07/2008, -4/+14If you're having kids and depending on google to raise them, you need to start over. They don't even have to keep you as an employee, much less keep insanely subsidized day-care.
- lisaawesome, on 07/07/2008, -0/+10I earn less than that a month. wow.
- Tenoq, on 07/07/2008, -1/+10His marital status would still be single. He's not married.
- jhshukla, on 07/07/2008, -3/+12cry parents.
- MalDON, on 07/07/2008, -3/+12How is raising prices evil?
- bullhead2007, on 07/07/2008, -1/+10Dugg for Idiocracy reference.
- bxblox, on 07/07/2008, -9/+18They dont HAVE to pay for anything. If they don't like it they can take the rugrats somewhere else. Google doesnt have a daycare monopoly.
- Elderon, on 07/07/2008, -3/+12I wholeheartedly agree though I'm sure a lot probably don't. The way I see it is that it's not your employers job to watch your kids for you. I'd rather them spend the money if anything on a workout facility or something for people to go on breaks or before/after work. I think that would do much more for the overall happiness of the employees.
- twiztidsinz, on 07/07/2008, -2/+10They aren't just 'handing it over'.. you make it sound like a random guy went to Google and says "lemme get all your data" and Google said "OK! SURE!!".
They were ordered by a Judge to turn over the data to (from what I gather) a 3rd party to be used in the case.
And in case you're wondering, they are trying to ensure that the data handed over will not contain any personally identifiable information... not that they have to mind you.
Also, if you have issue with Google collecting all that data... DON'T USE THEIR SITES AND SERVICES!
Besides... what are you worried about? Someone finding out you watch those home-made vids of 14~18 year old girls grinding/poledancing?
Whats so bad on YouTube?
Maybe you should re-think what you video interests are if you're so afraid of people finding out what you watch. - thailand1972, on 07/07/2008, -4/+12Boo hoo. People need to budget better, and sacrifice their time to actually bring up their own kids (normally means two parents SHOULD NOT be fulltime workers). People want it all though : kids + double fulltime income. You CAN surivive on a single income - JUST BUDGET. Live in a smaller house, don't WASTE your money on rubbish you don't need, just to keep up with the neighbours.
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