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- staticfish, on 10/11/2007, -12/+128I swear, Google are being such pussies lately. Whether you think the party was a good or bad idea, Google have a valid claim that eBay are misusing and abusing the rights of their customers by not allowing them to choose any payment plan, and having to opt with the scam that is PayPal.
It's about time someone stood up to eBay, and I'm glad Google did it. It's just a shame that the Google Adwords bosses were thinking of their wallets more than the morals of the company.
I just hope we don't see this "Do no evil" thing go completely to waste - noamchomskeet, on 10/11/2007, -5/+119Google just needs to come out with a better online auction system thats more secure, faster and easier to work with, god knows they have the talent, and money to get it done.
Once GBay comes out, eBay will slowly die. - AriaStar, on 10/11/2007, -6/+99God damn, I am ***** sick and tired of eBay trying to force people to use Pay"pal" and banning those who accept Google payments. I had to take Paypal to court once to get them to unlock an account that had over $1,000 in it. And even right now they are ONCE AGAIN making me verify my identity. Those bastards requested everything from my business license to my social security card to even my birth certificate before I sued them, and still they wouldn't unfreeze my account until I took them to court. But because sellers can't use anything else outside of a merchant account, eBay is forcing Paypal on us.
Read paypalsucks.com for some interesting cases.
And what most people don't realize is that Paypal is not a bank, so does not have to subject its employees to any background screenings or anything. They can hire kids right out of high school or with criminal records and those people get access to all your personal information. I'm not kidding on that. No wonder ID theft is on the rise. And eBay is forcing this on us as part of "the cost of doing business."
Whatever business Google would have lost from eBay would have been more than made up through fees from buyers and sellers grateful to no longer have to deal with Paypal. - jp3550, on 10/11/2007, -6/+49Paypal is the devil.
- JEWestbrookJR, on 10/11/2007, -4/+38Why google?! Don't back down! Stand up and fight! Paypal is robbery. Maybe after there's some diversity, then there will be competition. It's ***** that you can only use paypal. I too had an account go locked down on me... after I sold a classic car for $8,000... took me over 6 months to get my money. Were they just hoping I would give up? They seem to try that tactic a lot when your account gets too high
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+37eBay came out of this looking like a bad ass.
- ImperialSoren, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29ebay IS evil- I have sold 15000 items on the site over the last 10 years so I think I'm qualified to speculate. a small sample of offenses:
over billing on complex invoices- always over-never under
refusing to credit listing fees incurred by system errors
suspending full time sellers on the unvalidated and un-investigated claims of competitors (aka microsoft, dish net)
stabbing sellers in the back to save themselves any legal trouble associated with they business they run
offering to delete negative feedback for a fee of $30- which totally negates the feedback system they have
raising fees to the point where it is not feasible to sell anything worth under $25 (assuming you got it for free)
telling new sellers to increase sales by buying borders and icons (which don't help anything and cost $1 or more per listing) and supporting the recommendation with slanted stats
keeping listing fees when a buyer does not pay for the item despite the fact that the service they provided you failed and wasted your time (I have lost $1000's to this over the years)
I don't have time to write the whole book but anything ebay is one sided, ***** up, and yes, EVIL. ***** them. - zatrix, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27wait I'm confused, Microsoft gets sued when you can't uninstall their browser, eBay continues to limit people's options (monopoly) by forcing PayPal on us. So why is it legal? Confused.
- dasilva333, on 10/11/2007, -0/+26what they don't realize is that even with all this publicity of the party being cancelled Google is still achieving the end effect of spreading awareness of Ebay's scam that is called paypal
- ElectricGrandpa, on 10/11/2007, -7/+29I just find it annoying that they refer to it as "EBay" throughout the whole article instead of "eBay".
- MikeonTV, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21***** eBay. How long will it be before Google has their auction site up an running?
- inkswamp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18You have nothing to be annoyed by. They capitalize it only when it's the first word of a sentence, as it should be.
"...introduced about a year ago and so far banned from the eBay sites. EBay argues that Checkout doesn't have enough...."
Kudos to Computer World for doing it. I like when editors stick to their guns about their own, correct style guidelines versus adhering to some corporate trademark. - khyberkitsune, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17@ariastar
Wait, a private business asked you for your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER as proof of who you are?
By Federal Law that is ILLEGAL. Take them into court over that and have them jailed. - yorxs, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23It's my auction and my goods, I should be able to accept any form of payment I like.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -15/+31Do no evil...my ass, this is just another bad example of business tactics. boo! google.
- RyGiL, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15"I'm using Yahoo again for most of my work - search, mail, im etc."
More of Google's bandwidth for me! Seriously though, Google is going about this the wrong way... there are better and more ethical ways to fight eBay's dumbass payment policies.
Then again, Google's party idea is kind of funny... too juvenile though :( - Karyyk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Technically, PayPal *IS NOT* the only online option for online payments. See "Some Examples" here:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html
Payment Services permitted on eBay: Allpay.net, Bidpay, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet.com, Moneybookers.com, Nochex.com, Ozpay.biz, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM
Payment Services not permitted on eBay: AlertPay.com, anypay.com, AuctionChex.com, BillPay.ie, ecount.com, cardserviceinternational.com, CCAvenue, ecount, e-gold, eHotPay.com, ePassporte.com, EuroGiro, FastCash.com, Google Checkout, gcash, GearPay, Goldmoney.com, graphcard.com, greenzap.com, ikobo.com, Liberty Dollars, Moneygram.com, neteller.com, Netpay.com, paychest.com, payingfast.com, Payko.com, paypay, Postepay, Qchex.com, rupay.com, sendmoneyorder.com, stamps, Stormpay, wmtransfer.com, xcoin.com
That being said, why they will no accept Google Checkout is beyond me, when they will accept other options. It has nothing to do with security, just politics. I don't see PayPal being any less secure than the "small-fry" services they do allow (the new BidPay has only been in operation since 2006). I no longer use PayPal, but do use BidPay, which is a much more straight-forward service. If I had the Google Checkout option, I'd offer/accept that in a second. That's why eBay won't allow it, because Google has the clout and name recognition these other outfits don't.
I still say that if Google really wants to take a bite out of PayPal, all they need to do is push their own auction site. They already have the infrastructure for it, and frankly, they strike me as being more respectful of my security than eBay, which has absolutely no problem telling me 'tough luck' whenever a PayPal-fueled eBay transaction went bad. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15@scootinger
spoken like a true armchair lawyer. - NsinU8, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13Ebay is a great resource but we are all being raped by the lack of healthy competition. If anyone can take Ebay on its Google and I dont understand why nobody has even been able to touch them.
- ImperialSoren, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9as a full time ebay seller I absolutely hate the monopoly they have. Sick of them strong arming or buying out the competition all the while providing a sloppy ass website that continually fights against me while I try to sell my crap. The hardest thing about selling on ebay is using their ***** website. (I'm talking about on a large scale- I'm sure if you have 1 or two things you may not have many problems.) Google needs to sack up and realize they are a great search engine regardless of the ebay auction spam they provide. I would use them more if they didn't bring up auctions for EVERY search I type in. My ebay bill last month $852- for hosting a trivial amount of photos (photobucket does most of my bandwidth for $20 a year) and text and some activity on the automated email system. Nowhere else do you get charged so much for so little an investment.
- Scyth3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9It's hard to take on a leader in their own atmosphere. Google is great a searching. Ebay is great at auctioning.
Competition exists for both (Yahoo) as well. The problem is everyone associates those specific actions (search/auction) with those companies, and nothing more. I most likely would never use something titled "gauction" either. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8ariastar:
I agree completely. Google lost that business already because the adwords have not gone back on. I say party on! - vvaduva, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I wonder how long Google will "cache" the embarrassing blog post announcing the party...
- ImperialSoren, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6"And you have the free market right to abandon their services after deciding that you feel screwed, but you keep on at it, I would say that is your bad."
oh really? I do? you mean they haven't bought out or overpowered everything resembling competition on the net in the US? oh wow I never though of going somewhere else! yippeee - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Here's the plan, for the first year, offer free auction listings. That builds up the users and community., Then slowly start phasing in fees, upgrades, and plans.
- WorldGroove, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I'm not so sure Google has the upper hand. Hmm.
Who has more to lose on AdWords-relationship going south? Google not getting paid for all the eBay clicks? Or eBay not getting new/re-occurring users from Google searches?
Looks to me that they'd both end up losing alot of money. - digid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@cdnyny
do us a favor and stay out of business - playerZero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5dude no one cares that you're sad about being buried. the fact that your pussy hurts is not a ***** free speech issue. you said something, people disagreed with it, you got buried. happens to me all the time O_o
- Factionrider, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Just asking for a social security number isn't illegal, it only becomes unlawful when the company uses the SS# as a required means of identification. You can tell any business in the united states you don't want to give them your SS# and they can't lawfully turn you away from their business based on you denying them that information.
- ICSU, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Google is a huge corporation and has to act like one. Its founders cannot influence things the way they could in the past and maybe even don't want to anymore.
- dysonlu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6@scootinger
Some people are real quick on the trigger with their monopoly and anti-trust claims. Should we accuse Google of maintaining a monopoly on search since they are no doubt the dominant player in that space; how about monopoly on the whole web ads space too??? - Scyth3, on 10/11/2007, -9/+13I hate to say it, but Google really did issue a low-blow with that party. As far as business ethics go, Google basically just went up to eBay and said to their face "pull all your ad's on our network". Then, eBay kicked Google in the balls and pulled their ads.
- boonecafe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4not soon enough
- drjekelmrhyde, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@fani you cant be pro-Yahoo on here either
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5how is that funny? why would they merge? ebay would get nothing form a merge with google, you're ***** stupid, dont quit your minimum wage job
- MavRevMatt, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Google is now total *****. Privacy concerns + not being cool = *****
- HueytheFreeman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ebay&btnG=Google+Search
Ebay is no longer a sponsored link indeed. - Scyth3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3There's no upper hand for either of them. They just neutralized each other out basically.
Read this story for a bit more info:
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B983DBE9C-4D4A-4789-9591-8F9BF4658751%7D&siteid=google&dist=google - AriaStar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@ khyberkitsune:
Paypal routinely demands this of people now. Most of the people I know who have used Paypal (not all, just most) have been required to give their SSN at some point or another. - andyduncan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You mean start a competing auction site like Yahoo Auctions? or the hundreds of other, arguably superior sites that have come and gone since ebay made it big? There's more to eBay's success than the quality of their service. They have benefited very heavily from the first-mover advantage. A competing service would have a lot more to overcome than just being "better".
- oldhat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2***** ebay.
Specifically, ***** ebay's ad's on google. I could type in anything, like kitten brains, and up would pop a useless but funny ad:
Looking for kitten brains?
Ebay has the best prices on kitten brains!
Click here to buy all kinds of kitten brains!
They just ruin the integrity of google's ads, injecting noise and *****.
Let me be more clear: When I am looking to buy something, I search google. I never click on generic ***** ads, like ebay's. In fact, I never even consider ebay unless I'm looking for something that makes sense to buy from ebay! Ebay is a ***** swamp full of shysters and *****.
I don't go into the swamp unless I'm hunting alligators. ***** Ebay! - eurokc98, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Google actually holds the upper hand here. If they wanted to play this game they could pull all of theeBay properties from their index. Traffic and 'new' business to all of the eBay properties would drop dramatically. I am glad they didn't do this and they accomplished what they wanted to anyways. This is now mainstream press free of charge for Google Checkout.
- ImperialSoren, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"Your "Strong arming" or "buying out the competition" is well, business."
I agree, and that's not what bothers me. It's that fact that they make so much effort to do protect the monopoly(and successfully) all the while providing absolutely horrendous service and charging ridiculously high fees. - vvortex3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2GBAY! GBAY GBAY! I would pay any amount to see the Ebay executives' faces if/when the controller of ~50% of search traffic drops the bomb.
- BearinG, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Finally.. no I'm not interested in buying every single google search keywords on eBay
- drjekelmrhyde, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@imperialsoren
you mean like Google is doing with search and ads - DeucesWild, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Hmm Google is probably the only company that could pull it off and start a successful new auction site in my view.
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