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- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+117*sneeze* http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9058/6007af8dqq9.jpg *sneeze*
- undyboy91, on 10/12/2007, -1/+68WHAT THE HEX IS GOING ON?!?!
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34What number are they talking about? :)
- Shaman760, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Don't lump Digg in the takedown melee; yeah they did remove it in the beginning but it ended up that Digg stuck by their audience and refused to be bullied around by the big corporations. Ever heard of the Streisand Effect?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Yeah, They done been "Barbra-cued". - PATSCRU, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28BURY GOOGLEZ!
- madder2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Unfortunately Wikipedia is not following suite - it's censoring like crazy, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD (all edits totally blocked)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD_encryption_key_controversy (any inclusion of the code is reverted)
This is a sad day for Wikipedia. I hope that Wikipedia's users fight back against this censorship like Digg's users did. - usefulidiot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Damn i wish i could digg that picture up 100x, i actually roffled seeing it.
- hbweb500, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Wow, its a funny thing, the law. Believe it or not, Google is a company trying to make a buck, and they might have trouble doing this if they ignore cease-and-desist letters. Now, I hate the power the MPAA, RIAA, AASC, etc have, and I stick it to them all I want by downloading, but corporations have to abide by the law in order to make money.
Quit being surprised, Google did what they had to. - HalFTW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If you use an image host outside the USA, they will be immune from DMCA takedowns.
eg: http://www.ukimagehost.com/ - khag7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8a safe way of displaying the hex code:
http://khag07.googlepages.com/prettycolors.html - loconet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Let's all post it on Google now!
oh wait, someone beat us to it.. http://www.google.ca/search?q=09+F9+11+02+9D+74+E3+5B+D8+41+56+C5+63+56+88+C0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official - LonesomeFighter, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Damn, like losing and getting banned from digg has got to suck. But that happening with a Google account is a whole other level of suck. You mine as well leave the internet and just give up.
- tsctsc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Does it really even matter if the code is posted on a Wordpress blog? I mean, the server will go down before any more than five people get to see it.
- rhyss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Oh yeah, that was fun yesterday.
Stick it to the man with these bumper stickers:
http://www.09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0.US - scottylist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11hdtvdust, unfortunately you are the ignorant fool doing a disservice to your fellow users. Show us where 09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0 is trademarked, copyrighted, or patented and report back when you find it (hint: http://www.uspto.gov/)
/never sees hdtvdust ever again... - khag7, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11lets just convert it into colors and then post the colors on a website
- designbydave, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10yup, Digg did the right thing, now its Wikipedia and Google's turn
- wylfing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What is very interesting is that the Google notice does not say "circumvention tool." Instead, it says the code is someone's copyrighted material. Easy solution, then. Just send a DMCA counter-notice stating that a number cannot be copyrighted. See here:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/faq.cgi#QID132
The only recourse for AACS LA is to file an actual suit alleging copyright infringement, which they will never do. They are betting that no one will stand up to the takedown notices out of fear.
Now, nobody expects average joe to wage a legal war against a well-funded opponent. However, it would be a great idea to write your congressional representatives about the fact that an industry group is trying to unplug the internet and is threatening people with bogus copyright claims simply because their product is flawed.
http://www.senate.gov
http://www.house.gov - DCB360, on 04/11/2008, -4/+10Well Google isn't about user control, so I don't see the big deal. However, the fact that websites are shutting down blogs based on the magic number is ridiculous.
- designbydave, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12wow Google bowing to the wishes of the AASC AL but not Digg.
Digg > Google
Hang your head in shame Google - sigsegfalt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I can't wait to buy the t-shirt.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7digg did....
for a little bit
until the power of numbers made them go against aasc wishes - Cryptecks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Having a code does not circumvent the DRM copy protection. The real illegality would lie in one who obtains or creates a program to do the actual circumvention of the DRM. This code is useless without such a thing, it's just a rally-call for anti-censorship (as evidenced by the 30000+ diggs on Kevin's defiant digg blog post.
- SecularG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They need to do a DMCA counter notification. Then, once the hex code as intellectual property argument is thrown out the window, then digg can sue AACSLA for damages.
Check out http://www.google.com/notebook_dmca.html#counter if you are forced to remove something by Google who was forced to by a DMCA notice - trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Just google "09 F9" and you're set... Does that make 09F9 illegal too??
PS Scottylist: You own the copyright to something the moment you write it down. I instantly own the copyright to this post. You're thinking of a REGISTERED copyright. - kindrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have the number in my tagsurfer on wordpress and so far not one article has appeared. Hmm.
- ckedge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I wonder if someone could find this same hex code - but somewhere else!?!!
I mean, if bytes 289239782-289239882 on my HDD happen to contain those numbers, or if the random number generator I'm running to write a book (million monkeys on a million typewriters) randomly comes across this number - don't we have as much right to it as they do?
Maybe even just digitize radio static and look for the number there.
We need a distributed effort to find this number somewhere ourselves. - wylfing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Actually, I think the perfect defense against this is something like the Freedom Flag. The Freedom Flag is a bona fide copyrighted work.
http://www.wylfing.net/pub/freedom_flag.svg - wildsnake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Buy the tshirt and they will arrest you, or maybe force you to take off your shirt in public. LMAO
- venom8599, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@trogdor282
No, you don't own anything you write down. You own what you create when it meets certain criteria of being a creative, intellectual, or artistic work. A simple hexadecimal number does not meet those criteria and cannot be copyrighted.
Regardless of that though, they may get a notice dealing with the section of the DMCA which is about circumventing copy protection (Section 1201 IIRC). It's still not clear if the number is in violation of that section, but if holding down the Shift key isn't, then I don't see how this key is. In any case, that's for a court to decide. - pyrotix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I got 500k+ results...
- Aiwanei, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4umm scottylist it is against the law because it breaks the DMCA. Under the DMCA it is illegal to circumvent any kind of copy protection. So even though the code is not a registered copyright, it breaks a form of copy protection thus, making it illegal.
- NikoKun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Just save the hex codes on your computer somewhere in a text file, so that no matter what they do... Some one... some of us will have the code... and they can never truly stop it. XD share it with anyone who needs it, but dont worry about posting it much anymore... its out there now.
not much they can do about someone saving some hex numbers on their pc... and certainly nothing can be done about sharing those numbers... even if they think they can do something... they can't... XD - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Fight that Diggers, fight Google.
The only way to stop this censorship is to use powerful tools like digg and google to send a clear note saying: NO.
How can we make google to hear us out? that's the question.... - zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1they're all posted all over usenet, they were but now there is more because of this.
- SecularG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1surely there is a better analogy than that.
the whole bit is about a hexadecimal number that they use to encrypt the content on the disc. the number can actually occur in a number of different forms in which they have no relation to encrypt/decrypt of dvd content. one such example i saw on tuesday was an ipv6 address. another was hexadecimal colors.
All in all the hex code is just a number. Either randomly developed by a human, or by some crazy algorithm that took some input. I can not imagine that they actually can lay claim to this number. The algorithm that generated the number yes, but definitely not the number itself. - newl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I suppose I can understand the reasoning to some extent that is causing these sites to be proactive.
Given how the system really works with regards to the DMCA process and procedures, by not being proactive and being reactive instead these sites would be able to stick to the first amendment at least until a cease and desist is issued at which point they follow the procedures required from that point.
Either way I do not see any difference in the amount of work required by being proactive versus reactive. They both still require resources of an equivalent nature.
Somehow I cannot see company XYZ sending out so many cease and desist notices. I suspect they do not quite have the resources available to them to do so hence my thinking that most of these larger sites are being proactive. - darkslide29, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you guys are gonna stand up to Digg, you know what this means...
Time to google bomb. - tangential, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@loconet: interesting...
http://www.google.com/search?q=09+F9+11+02+9D+74+E3+5B+D8+41+56+C5+63+56+88+C0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official
320000 hits.
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=09+F9+11+02+9D+74+E3+5B+D8+41+56+C5+63+56+88+C0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official
440000 hits.
http://www.google.ca/search?q=09+F9+11+02+9D+74+E3+5B+D8+41+56+C5+63+56+88+C0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official
560000 hits. - Alpha13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google has a lot of take down notices to hand out yet. I enterted the "Majic Number" into googles search engine last night and got over 11,000 references. Tonight, just 24 hours later, there are just under 60,000 references to the "magic Number".
- shigness17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does it even matter anymore? If a guy like me has it, anyone that can actually put it to use has it etched into their desk.
- osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That would start a revolution.
- Brettb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Naw they would just sent you a cease and desist :) pin it on your shirt or something lol
- khag7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I know i can put the numbers down. I just like to be creative.
Heres what it comes down to guys: you can do whatever you want with the number, however, using it to circumvent protection measures on HDDVDs is illegal, and it just so happens that that string of numbers and letters is able to do that, so many sites like Digg and Google are censoring it because they do not want to be associated with an illegal activity. Nobody said it was a registered copyright. Nobody said it was illegal to put it on websites. It is illegal to use however. Think of the word "marijuana." Is it legal for me to write about it and tell you what it does and how to use it and take pictures and put it all over the internet? Sure! Can I USE it legally in the US? NO! Just like this little hex string. - kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well, I don't think it is in everyones interest to actually publish the key on Wikipedia itself. However, I think it is fine to link to it.
If you scroll down the page, you'll actually find _direct_ links to sites which contain the key. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD_encryption_key_controversy#References ( just one of the links listed: http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/04/30/spread-this-number/ ) - chimpadink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0www.woot.com seems to not care either. they are rocking a podcast with the number said out loud in a song totally mocking anyone who takes it down.
- torched, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I don't see the point with all this "censorship", it seems like all the people who do need to know already do. The rest could care less as long as they can search google to get thier free porn and music.
- phoenixp3k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1One day, laws and regulation will shut down the web. As long as real, physical companies, people that can legally be accountable exist there is now way illegal actions such as these will be accepted. Imagine if you IP address was in fact your name or social insurance number. They would prosecute every one who dugg the story (thus encouraging piracy).
- newl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That'd be sweet to see cease and desists filed against hundreds of thousands of NNTPD operators. haha
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google might soon have a new UK - http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_s_New_Look_Pic
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