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- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just can not buy into this whole "let's charge the websites for using out bandwidth" argument.
Here is a little secret many of you may not be aware of. In the major days of dial-up the dial-up providers made their money in two ways:
a) Your monthly dial-up bill
b) The connection fee paid by YOUR telco to connect to the ISP's switching equipment.
See, Telcos were paying lots of cash for your 8-hour Internet session. Not only that, but the network had been designed on a 10-1 ratio. Meaning only 10% of the customers could be on the phone at once. By having an 8-hour call you blocked 9 other people from making phone calls! (blocked may not be an accurate description as those folks could get dial tone but, the network paths in the switch were still congested.)
Even now big Internet backbone providers have deals in place where, rather then run a meter on the bandwidth and charge, they just have a flat "share" agreement. Remember the little Internet "war" a few months back when some backbone providers had a little fight and one network was blocked by the other?
The problem with an ISP making a website pay for "faster/better" traffic patterns is that the website is NOT the ISP's customer. The guy looking at his modem and wondering why his iTunes downloads are slow IS the customer.
If the customer is paying a flat fee for a flat MBps speed then they expect that speed from ALL websites. The Internet is NOT the postal system where the sender of the item pays for faster delivery.
What's next? Are they going to add some "lag" into my phone calls if I call someone who has service through a small town phone company because that phone company does not want to pay "extra" for faster voice communications?
If I buy gas for my car from Exxon rather then Mobil will my car only do 45MPH? If I buy from Shell will it suddenly do 110MPH and I'm indemnified against speeding tickets???
Will movie theaters play movies at different speeds and volume levels simply because the studio is giving them a hard time? And, if they did, would the CUSTOMERS understand or would they simply say, "Why are you hurting me for a problem you have with someone else?" - zunigbab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ahhh, yes...I can see it now!
August 4, 2006 - Google.Net goes on-line and begins subscribing users at a geometric rate
August 29, 2006 - Google.Net itself becomes aware of the plot by William L. Smith, chief technology officer for Atlanta-based BellSouth Corp. & AT&T Inc. chief executive, Edward E. Whitacre Jr. to greedily control the internet.
@ 4:07 PM PDT - Google.Net launches a pre-emptive strike against these two, hacking into, uncovering, and publishing their dirty little secrets for all to see. - Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"isnt google already offering free wireless internet through CA?"
not all of it =(
"Telcos: We want more money for reasons we feel justified.
Google: Fine.
...1 week later...
"Google Deploys Space Satellite... Google Earth Wide Wireless Beta 1 begins.""
LMFAO - dkarlson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1pure speculation, really. I think I'll start writing purely speculative articles on a blog, and then get dugg all day long. I should write an article speculating about it first, though.
EXCELLENT. - dpknc84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Telcos: We want more money for reasons we feel justified.
Google: Fine.
...1 week later...
"Google Deploys Space Satellite... Google Earth Wide Wireless Beta 1 begins." - Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2As much as I'm not a huge fan of Google's exponential growth into other sectors, I think this would be a good idea. Break the monopolies held by the Telcos and promote a little competition.
- ReinMasamuri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I hate the Bells and their attempts to privatize the Internet Bandwidth."
This isn't privatizing, it's monopolizing. Privatizing encourages competition, not stifle it.
"Right - Google does not have enough money to attempt this - they are a freaking SEARCH company!"
Hrm... would 4 billion dollars worth of stock prove you wrong? - Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
Why does everyone and their virtual mom on Digg go on and on about Skype? Skype is a non-player in VoIP, a virtual VOIP. Vonage owns that market. Thus if Google were interested in laying the smackdown on the telecos, it would be Vonage that they would acquire. And then parlay the Vonage property with the cablecos and their telephone-over-cable initiatives against the hydra that is AT&T/Verizon/BellSouth. - GodPants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hate the Bells and their attempts to privatize the Internet Bandwidth.
I don't know that Google's plan is the solution but if they commit to keeping the Internet pipe open and not commercializing the bandwidth for profit I would be willing to pay twice the amount I pay now for the same bandwidth. - ProfHognutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am skeptical too but I would like the telcos to be forced to operate as if somebody new could break into the business. They really are double-dipping scumbags. Honestly I'm as close to being a civil libertarian as a sane person can get but this calls for regulation. If we're going to keep up with the rest of the developed world, or undeveloped for that matter, we need to improve our infrastructure. If that requires public money I don't care, as long as the telcos don't get to benefit from it.
This is kind of old news by the way. I think I've seen articles saying the same crap on Digg like 4 times. - twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
What makes us that if Google rolls out broadband, they'll be the gentile giant? - Nighthawke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I recall here awhile back that Google purchased large amounts of dark fiber.
http://news.com.com/Google+wants+dark+fiber/2100-1034_3-5537392.html
And other references indicate that if Google indeed did buy enough fiber and switches, it could become it's own CSP/Telco, hence becoming a bona fide threat to the bells and their telephone cartel.
I'd love to see the look on SBC's CEO's face when he realizes the posistion of power that Google gained. - anasazi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3how come every google-related rumor that comes down the pike instantly makes front page news?
google OS - nope
google office - nope
google buying firefox - nope
google starting their own ISP to replace telcos - soon-to-be nope
no digg - -dXs-, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1adidax, google is a technology company, not an Advertising company. Ads are a source of revenue.
- -dXs-, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3google is NOT going to offer broadband to anyone.
cryptoknight, do you even know how fiber works? They can't "quite simply hook it up to your house". Fiber routing equipment is expensive and means they would have to house it somewhere close by to a suburb, meaning routing points going from backbone->region->metro->suburbs and to spend X number of dollars on routers, then equally as much for PICs to just get the line to your house. THEN provide support.
Google does not provide support, which is why everything is in beta so they can keep developers working and testers testing to ensure a product requires little to no support what so ever.
No digg.
Complete bs and pure speculation with absolutely NO knowledge of google's plans for their dark fiber. - adidax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1does it really matter who accually owns the lines, i always thought there was regulations (not that the telecos ever play fair) that allowed use of the lines to other companys. (if not, forgive my ignorance)
- DigiRaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think Google, Microsoft, apple, yahoo, and whoever should all get along and get rid of these telcos. Cheap communications and all the internet you need. Long live the nerds and down with the corp hogs.
- muikano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This story isn't about google so much as it's about Telcos. Come on. Google represents the little guy, well mostly. We PICKED Google to be our default search engine. And we've stayed loyal. So, technically, we want them to be our heroes. And if there ever was a source of villiany in the world, it's those that try to supplant the Internet.
I don't care if Google may or may not be evil in the future. What i care, is the evil that I see now. Verizon needs to be beaten. If Google overextends itself in the future, we'll worry then. But right now, ***** up the guy that's ***** with the Internet. ***** Verizon. To paraphrase. - Halvy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0[b]Bellsout owns the lines coming to my house.
arTech posted [/b]by arTech (0)
i don't think so... everything the scumbags 'own' is on OUR property (ie, litteraly yours & mine, or the public 'domains').
soo hahahha.. what we *need* to do yesterday, is tell them to take their 'crap' off our property, or we will confiscate it.
beta yet, since they have caused us so much: heartache, money, and time with their fraud over the years, we will just go ahead and arrest their ceo's, and take their stash :) - Halvy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0[i]Verizon will someday figure out a way to charge more for a phone call if you talk faster.
dwhitbeck posted by dwhitbeck (0)[/i]
i doubt it because they don't know how to listen. - dwhitbeck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Verizon will someday figure out a way to charge more for a phone call if you talk faster.
- TraumaPill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google has no reason to want to go to your door step. Cringely wrote about this in these great articles:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20051117.html
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20051124.html
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20051201.html - TraumaPill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google has no reason to want to go to your door step. Cringely wrote about this in these great articles:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20051117.html
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20051124.html
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20051201.html - t35t0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1to the guy above who was disappointed that google didn't "buy" firefox:
YOU ARE A MORON. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I'm still skeptical though, I mean, anyone remember Google OS? This stuff doesn't just happen, even if it is in the works, we may not see the result for several years."
Well google has always said that while they do have their own in house OS, the have no plans for a public release. However with google buying up as much dark fiber as they can get their hands on, i'm sure the Telco's have taken notice. Google is a house hold name now, if they did start up their own service down the road even the avg. joe would take notice. I'm sure the telco's are a little more worried then they are letting on. - pjh3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yay! Google is my hero.
- ahrefd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0shut off verizon and others, forget the revenue stream. let them use yahoo and their ***** search
- ThirdPrize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wouldn't it be nice if Google did all the stuff we are reading about and did it for FREE!!! Perhaps their investments and their Ads can sustain all this expansion. Who would be evil then?
- ripter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Telcos: We want more money for reasons we feel justified.
Google: Fine.
...1 week later...
"Google Deploys Space Satellite... Google Earth Wide Wireless Beta 1 begins.""
We all thought Google Earth was a neat little map program, google fooled us all! Their building a satellite network, One ring to control them all! - michaelfoley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I remember the original diagrams of how DARPA planned that IP networks be diverse and redundant but they couldn't have planned for this much growth and load, how does the actual internet match? Has actual growth defeated the plans to be diverse and redundant? Can we help with a plan for millions of small links at millions of homes, cross-connecting, DSL, Cable and Power Line Internet connectivity? How badly would that blow up the BGP routing tables? How redundant is my DSL service before the last mile?
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google should post a warning on every page they server to Verizon customers.
"Warning: your ISP is trying to cut off your access to Google.com. Here is the complaint form... We recommend you use XYZ ISP for full access to google."
That should solve the problem quick. - xodex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yay google :)
- masterdebater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Laff, I personally love watching people announce "NO DIGG!" as I watch the counter increment every freakin second. Yes, that means all you No Diggers protesting Google stories posted every 5 minutes. :)
- IchiroBoston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google is getting a bit "scary big" but competition against Telco is a good thing.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+09 out of 10 google rumours come from this blog..
is it only me that wishes that guy would change his picture? - Mesach, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"how come every google-related rumor that comes down the pike instantly makes front page news?
google OS - nope
google office - nope
google buying firefox - nope
google starting their own ISP to replace telcos - soon-to-be nope"
Lets see here
Google OS = Proven, but they claim its for internal use only, only time will tell wether or not the consumer will see it " technology spokeswoman Sonya Borälv responded very quickly to my query on the topic. She said that "[w]e use Ubuntu internally but have no plans to distribute it outside of the company.""
Google Office = Proven, they have partnered with Sun to "The agreement aims to make it easier for users to freely obtain Sun's Java™ Runtime Environment (JRE), the Google Toolbar and the OpenOffice.org office productivity suite, helping millions of users worldwide to participate in the next wave of Internet growth. " http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/sun_toolbar.html
Google Buying Firefox = MAYBE, they would have to acquire Netscape, which is owned by AOL, with whom they have a very nice agreement with, and that they seem to have proposed some interest in. Only time will tell what shakes out with AOL being bought and by whom.
Google starting their own ISP to replace telcos = There have been MANY listings that point to this, they have been hiring Fiber experts, and now they seem to be looking for a Strategic Negotiatior "Google is looking for Strategic Negotiator candidates with experience in...(i)dentification, selection, and negotiation of dark fiber contracts both in metropolitan areas and over long distances as part of development of a global backbone network"
Like all good companies, they do not announce everything that is in the planning stages, they may release the software to us to use and test in its beta stages, but they do keep the wraps on thier behind the scenes moving around, if people catch wind that google is doing something they IMMEDATELY glom on to it, and if you are in that business you do attemtp to make as much money on it if you know google is moving toward it. - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Right, like google is going to run a line RIGHT TO MY HOUSE. In the end, I still have to depend on Verizon because they own the copper and fiber to my door.
- Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
And continuing, Skype is like an update to the tin-can-and-string method of telephony. Only dweebs would try to sell Joe Blow on the idea of buying a frikkin laptop to tote around in order to save $0.02 on a phone call. - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0mecki78 wrote: So why are these damn telcos complaining?
Easy. Rather than invest the effort into creating additional value or providing new, more innovative services, they can increase their revenue by simply imposing artificial constraints on the resources they have at their disposal. Now, rather than offer an obstacle-free pipeline to the net, these large telcos are trying to figure out ways to implement various kinds of toll mechanisms (think troll, bridge)- these will increase revenue without the least bit increase in value to the consumer. - lame_duck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1jeromehorwitz: You are a fool. Do you really think Internet will be cheaper if they do charges websites? There get there palms greased both ways, it's a Republicans wet dream!
- korg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0isnt google already offering free wireless internet through CA?
maybe their CA effort went well and they want to expand nation wide. man the bigger they get.. its going to be neat to be able to see the exact transistion a company makes from having a good company image to a evil "getting way to big" type company hahah - Reddog_x2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Some of these Teleco's seem to have become a bit arrogant lately. Maybe this will straighten them out.
- Genghis1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Don't count on google to save you. They are deflating fast.
- r69er87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I ***** hope this goes through
- tolbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is the same blogger who said Nintendo beat google to nationwide wireless....i take everything he says with a grain of salt.
- solarpowered, on 10/12/2007, -0/+05blocksfree: YES!
I would only add: It's not related to one political party, other posters. No cause and effect. It's a result of (a) being regulated (b) by an oversized government. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Right - Google does not have enough money to attempt this - they are a freaking
SEARCH company!"
No, They're an Ad company that has good search. and Yes, they do have enough money for this. You are an idiot. - TraumaPill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It doesn't pay google to enter the broadband market. It's not a good financial decision for them. They won't do it.
- spacenettnet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0muikano and hmtksteve ...awesome comments both on topic and asking the right questions. I think that google should buy their own fiber and let everyone use it for a fair price with the full speeds of up to 20mb a second... talk about putting the bells outta business. Lets see google ds3 for 45.99 or sprint dsl for 74 a month with only 1.4 down and 384 up hrmmm let me see what consumers are gonna think. Go google your my hero. ***** the telcos
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