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- pirlok, on 11/07/2008, -0/+78Did you read the article? Here's the last paragraph: "The exploit did provide more access to the the Android's core functions, some of which could be useful for app development and porting to other phones, but it also exposed a gaping vulnerability that would be immediately shut on any other Linux distribution. Google's patch is most accurately characterized as a security fix, not a party poop."
- chicagojack, on 11/07/2008, -2/+77Google moves very fast for a big company
- StupotAce, on 11/07/2008, -9/+74'Jailbreak' is completely the wrong term. It was a security issue, that happened to expose some low level system calls (like most security issues). Just because the security hole could be used "for good" instead of "for evil" does not mean it shouldn't be plugged.
Buried for Inaccurate. - jriggs420, on 11/07/2008, -8/+54I don't get it - What's the point in hacking an open system?
- RyeBrye, on 11/07/2008, -0/+39Android is open, the G1 is not. The G1 is locked down and you as a user are prevented from having root access on the device. Lack of root access means that you can't flash the phone with your own version of the OS that you build yourself, and it also means that you can't do thinks like tinker with the filesystem to move applications to your SDcard... etc.
OTA updates are easily blocked, and you can reflash your G1 quite easily to only accept things that you resign yourself - so you are in no risk of losing root on your phone if you have gained it this way.
The OS has really been made secure, so it's unlikely another root exploit will be found any time in the near future - so if you want to hack away on stuff like bluetooth support, or device driver support, or whatever - and you want to actually be able to test and use builds that you make on your own phone - you will have to do stuff now to block the updates so you can keep this access.
T-mobile SHOULD just allow you to run a developer version on your phone so you CAN do whatever the hell you want with it (even with root access, the radio is locked down, btw, so it's not like they have much to worry about with you 'taking down the network').
Until the root access was discovered, the G1 was leaving a VERY bad taste in my mouth. After I can actually rebuild my own OS for the phone and reflash it - I'm much happier. :) - Seidoger, on 11/07/2008, -0/+13Jailbreak has become such a popular term since the iPhone. Incorrectly used here and there.
That's the way i know a jailbreak:
"A jailbreak is the act or tool used to perform the act of breaking out of a chroot or jail in UNIX-like operating systems or bypassing digital rights management (DRM)" -- Wikipedia
Although i more or less agree with the DRM part.. - hitdrumhard, on 11/07/2008, -5/+17Why jailbreak an open-source platform...
- virtualball, on 11/08/2008, -1/+12Yay for everyone saying "It's much better than the iPhone because we can do whatever we want with it! It's open!!"
- leerayIG88, on 11/07/2008, -2/+11perhaps too fast?!
- Elbart, on 11/07/2008, -6/+14It's not open, d'oh.
- armor, on 11/07/2008, -4/+11The platform wasn't jailbroken. The phone was.
- armor, on 11/08/2008, -3/+10Why am i being dugg down? It is an open platform but not an open phone. See RyeBrye's comment below.
- Equinox1, on 11/08/2008, -0/+5"Jailbreak" is kind of a universal term now. Get with the times.
- MWeather, on 11/07/2008, -3/+8http://source.android.com/download
- RyeBrye, on 11/07/2008, -0/+5For anyone with a G1 that wants to keep ownership of it:
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Preven ... - cgibbo, on 11/07/2008, -0/+5No, it's not.
- RyeBrye, on 11/07/2008, -0/+4You clearly don't own a G1. You CAN'T rebuild an image from the open source tree and put it on the phone yourself... So if you want to contribute stuff to the bluetooth stack, or anything that's under the belly of the phone - you are absolutely not able to do it unless you have root access.
- inactive, on 11/08/2008, -2/+5RTFA:
"The so-called 'jailbreak' was of a completely different nature than the app-enabling hack that iPhone users are now so accustomed to. The technique was a telnet trick that allowed for easy root access to the operating system, so the reality of the situation is less like a 'jailbreak' in the iPhone sense, and more like finding the administrative password on a desktop Linux system."
They fixed a serious security flaw...hardly a stymied jailbreak attempt... - mynameistux, on 11/08/2008, -0/+3Breaking news, open source security vulnerability found and fixed, quickly.
- lcmatt, on 11/08/2008, -0/+3While you can contribute to the project any personal modifications you many find useful will probably never end up on the final build. Giving users an open source OS then limiting what the can actually do on the phone was a bad move.
- inactive, on 11/08/2008, -1/+4***** communist parasites
- inactive, on 11/08/2008, -0/+3Its been a universal term ever since Unix was made. Jailbreaking has more to do with unix then the iphone.
- inactive, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2it will be once it released by someone other then the USA. Seriously the US mobile industry is utter *****. When a non contract Asian version comes out, then you will see the full power of Android.
- mleh, on 11/08/2008, -1/+3Wouldn't you contribute to the Android project instead of your own phone?
- aoou4444, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2Because "open" doesn't mean "you can have access to my phone." When it does, like in this case, the hole needs to be closed.
- inactive, on 11/08/2008, -1/+3Sorry, those two sentences are mutually exclusive..
- KevinJim, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2*****... I just want an Android phone and here ( Greece ) there's not even T-Mobile ( yet ) to begin with. I never imagined this moment but I might be getting a Motorola... ( with Android on it ).
- kontraire, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1I'm a big fan of being able to do what you want, when you want, with your hardware. It's the main reason why I've never owned an iPhone/Pod/Crap. It's more than a little disappointing that Google and T-Mobile are following in Jobs' footsteps. I don't doubt that it's a more flexible platform than the iPhone, but they just lost some big points.
- xtraa, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1It is the fear of the mobile providers to let the user get full control over the devices that lets them put pressure on the phone vendors and software devs. From their point of view: Who knows what's next? Maybe little wireless subnetworks where you can talk for free?
This is an obvious reaction if you try to bring a multibillion dollar business down to zero. :)
Why do you think AT&T is investing in this WiFi thing NOW?
http://digg.com/apple/iPhone_users_now_have_access ... - cgibbo, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1Too bad T-Mobile is slow as ***** when it comes to actually pushing out the updates. I'm still on RC19.
- Dylson, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1Just another reason why we love them so much.
- Darkrift411, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1It is not google, its tmo :(
They do not want users having unlimited control over the os to prevent stuff like tethering (which was being worked on with root access) - madwaxer, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1even ipods can be hacked to run other software.
- angusware, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1RTFA
- mendeznoel20, on 11/08/2008, -0/+1its too late google...i already have my android phone hacked and i also have a program that prevents you from automatically fixing it.
- warragul, on 11/08/2008, -1/+1Looks like Google/T-Mobile learned nothing from the beating Apple took for blocking jailbreaks.
- aoou4444, on 11/08/2008, -0/+0It is Google. It's a security vulnerability. T-Mobile want this done too but with or without them, it was going to be fixed.
- aoou4444, on 11/08/2008, -0/+0Android is, this phone is not. It's only a matter of time before that will be irrelevant though.
- aoou4444, on 11/09/2008, -0/+0You're right, and for their sake, they all better have a transition plan. One day they will either be internet providers or out of the business. We'll one day laugh at the idea of paying for minutes or text messages. (I think it's almost criminal the amount they charge for such a small amount of data.)
We'd be much further down that path if we didn't allow these companies to lock us in as we do today. We should be able to buy a phone, pay for a data plan (using WiFi where available) and install Skype or a SIP client and make calls. - slickwatson, on 11/08/2008, -1/+1NERD! j/k
- aoou4444, on 11/08/2008, -1/+0Not everything a developer may want to do can be done with the API. Some cool stuff could be done with lower-level access; use your imagination and I'm sure you can come up with a few.
- gllopc, on 11/08/2008, -3/+2I understood the article. My point still stands.
- weeFred, on 11/08/2008, -2/+1Simpsons?
- aoou4444, on 11/08/2008, -1/+0"I understood the article. My point still stands."
It absolutely does not. They fixed a security issue. Nothing more, nothing less. I suppose they should have left a vulnerability open so as to not confuse people like you. - mleh, on 11/08/2008, -6/+2You're also far more likely to muck something up on the phone, requiring a complete reinstall. Stick to the Android APIs and try to forget Linux is under the covers.
- inactive, on 11/07/2008, -6/+1ok people they already let you do ANY thing you want with it
why the hell do you need to jail break it - colincornaby, on 11/07/2008, -7/+2"Just because the security hole could be used "for good" instead of "for evil" does not mean it shouldn't be plugged."
No, they also sealed up unlocking. - inactive, on 11/08/2008, -7/+2gllopc = *****
- bioviral, on 11/07/2008, -9/+1Wow.
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