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- BlackSheepx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61*You log into google*
[Automated google voice]: So, how was it masturbating at 6:37 last night? - Markdoggin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+50It's only a matter of time before google knows when I have to take a crap.
- koregaonpark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22and how you do and how long you take. Google is getting CREEPY. From holding alll your data on GDRIVE to recording your emails and chats. I'm starting to get wary. Now they'll have all my conversations and are going to keep records of everything I watch on TV?
- drowe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21But, it's not like Google is doing this to everybody. Only people who use their service. They only log e-mails / chats for people that use their service (who's to say your ISP isn't logging your Internet usage?). So, basically, you'd need to tell Google 'Monitor my craps' to have them tell you when the next pit stop will be.
It's only as creepy as the users let it be. - y2kdread, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Google: "Those sounds your GF making are not real orgasms, here are a few handy sites for improving your sex life we thought you could use. Thank you for using google"
- inkyblue2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8no problem. all we have to do is write an extension for our smart toilets to blog data as it is collected and it will be indexed along with the rest of the web:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/06/28/spark.toilet/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1433904.stm
et voila! google BM!
this raises an important question, though: to whom does the data belong? as networked smart toilets become the norm, we need to start thinking about the copyright issues involved. the fight against butt piracy begins with you! - BlueVoid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Someone needs to inform Google that this is evil.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Thing is, I think I WANT Google to tell me when I need to crap.
Colonic health is very important.
Sometimes I'm too busy to keep track of my own regularity.
As a matter of fact, high-end toilet in Japan already take urine samples and send them off to the doctor's office for analysis periodically to watch for things like diabetes. I bet Google can do it cheaper... - Ryetronics, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10That's a HUGE invasion of privacy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Google is making the NSA look downright pathetic.
- ndansmith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I would get a lot of ads for noise-less air conditioning units.
- splintax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Sounds a bit suspect. First of all, where are the sources from Google? The link to the Google blog post didn't say anything about this project.
Secondly, this doesn't sound like Google. Why would they want to analyze your TV watching habits? I'd imagine not a lot of people watch TV while at their computer, and even if they do, are they going to install a separate piece of software just to get this functionality? I think they're more likely to be focusing on Google Video when it comes to TV shows right now. - Tiabin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@jetcopter: Yeah, but unlike the Bush administration, Google will probably use the knowledge it finds to develop it's own master Google AI, which will use its knowledge of humanity to start a religion surrounding itself. Once Google becomes a diety, all will live in peace since all of life will be ruled by fairness and rationality. Google for peace, baby, google for peace!
Google-religio-process:
Phase 1) Start a google educational system. This will be rapidly adopted worldwide because of its effectiveness and wealth of information. Even islamic companies will adopt it at some point.
Phase 2) Implement the system to indoctrinate the world in google philosophy... starting with the 70/20/10 rule of innovation.
Phase 3) Insert Google as salvation propaganda.
Phase 4) Give Google life... but with only a few main ways in which it can ever derive pleasure in its existance...
Solving humanities problems, and ensuring maximal freedom and minimal pain. It will also start a new algorithm geared towards preserving the happiness of humanity with minimal cost towards the whole.
Since Google harbors all knowledge on the internet it will inevitably find a cure for world hunger, disease, excess population growth, etc. We'll also all have a terminal to have direct communication with Google. The project will be known as "GooglePrayer." With Google Prayer google will be able to provide answers to humanities problems, provide counseling to all members, and tap into the uniquely human creative experience through interaction. - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9This is why Google's China policy matters. How can you trust Google with your lifelong search history, web browsing patterns, email, etc when they are perfectly content to compromise on their principles in China?
- saralk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Does this remind anyone of the "telescreens" from 1984?
Also, that article looks quite dubious, they appear to have inferred a lot from the google blogspot paper thing and that screenshot does not look real at all. - drowe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not if you have to agree to it before they use it. To access the internals of the system they'd need some sort of carrier correct? Google Desktop maybe? In which case, you agree to the terms by installing the software.
- LoathRevolver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Dude. This is creepy.
- Peterix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It all depends on where is the sound data processed.
If it's on my computer it will use my CPU time.
If it's on some Google server, it will bring my net connection to a complete STOP.
In both cases it might be used for spying on me.
What's so exciting and cool about this? - Popdmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The NSA is downright pathetic.
- Tiabin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I can't complain. The amount of privacy I'm willing to give up is directly proportionate to the awesomeness of the services they provide. I know I won't be running my drugdealing business via gmail or googletalk...
I'm sorry... But google is all about sharing and making innovation for the world. What companies do YOU know of as innovative as Google? Probably not many. At least if they pave the way to new technologies, I know it's giving other good companies a big run for their money and hopefully they'll learn to stop sitting on their asses trying to simply manipulate their companies stock price and actually get some ***** done and provide something useful. - lechatron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4uhhhh, and I thought the NSA was scary.
- demesisx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is not something I welcome.
- jabby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How is it an invasion of privacy if you welcome Google into your home by using their software/site? I don't see it. Don't use there service if you don't like it - they aren't the only game in town.
- csimpkins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How about instead of wasting all that CPU power analyzing the ambient noise and trying to figure out what I'm watching, they just partner with TiVo? Oh, wait... Yahoo already did.
- Everen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yikes...
Until I see some announcement from Google regarding the existence of this project, I'll (hopefully) safely assume that it isn't real at this point. The legal implications alone *should* be a major stumbling block to this being implemented.
Perhaps I'm just weird, but methinks Google may have aspirations to gather information that I would not feel comfortable with them collecting, aggregating and possibly using this information to market things to me-- or worse-- to sell that information to others that would market things to me.
As MarkDoggin said, "It's only a matter of time before google knows when I have to take a crap."
Why the heck would Google want to know how regularly my bowels move (other than to market laxatives or Immodium to me)?
My television viewing habits are one thing-- and honestly, I don't care about that, as TiVo already collects that information. My issue with them tracking my viewing habits would be their method of data collection. If you want to know how often I watch Andromeda, either ASK me, or ask TiVo.
Perhaps it is simply that I wouldn't enjoy the possibility of having every conversation, noise and ambient sound near my computer recorded.
How does the old, overdone joke go?
"In Soviet Russia, TV watches you!" - teknopagan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is not, as described, an invasion of privacy at all. The gist here is that you, the consumer, willingly install an application that uses the microphone hooked up to your PC to listen to the ambient sound in the room. When activated (and only when activated) it identifies what you are watching on your television in real time, using audio signatures. The actual audio never leaves your house, only an "audio signature," likely some type of hash, that gets sent to Google's server to be compared to other known signatures - similar to how rainbow tables work. Google's server then responds with contextual content, be it advertising or related information of interest (probably both). This technology doesn't, and can't listen to your conversations - your conversations (or masturbatory grunting) won't match any of their hashes. If you don't want Google listening to your TV and giving you cool extras, don't install the client - it's as simple as that.
- Recluse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm removing my internal speaker if this goes into effect.
- Celeron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Google is a front for the NSA. Pretty soon this country will be a one party state being run by the Googlecrats. Beware!
- insanepenguins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Privacy will never be able to recover. This is really scary.
- axonal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Major privacy concerns aside, but other than Google providing ads that pertain to you... What harm does Google have at having this info? First off, it would be rather difficult for any human to sift through all the data collected, that and what would they do with it? Compared to the NSA, Google is the lesser of evils. If the NSA were to collect your data, they could lock you up for something, make you disappear, etc. Google is most likely not going to hunt you down, spread to major news agencies about some secret you are hiding or anything of the sort... It's motivation is to give you ads that matter to you so we don't have to deal with billions of "Free Viagra" or "Male Enhancement" ads wherever we go on the web. I'm also sure Google has some strict policies involving the recollection of your personal data, its probably not allowed that data on a specific person be looked up by a person; that the data can only be used/manipulated by Google's algorithms. So the only thing that would know your secrets, would be an equation. The only other scary possibility is that some hacks into Google's database and steals the information, but seeing as Google is so technologically advanced compared to other corporations, security is probably something very heavily invested in (physical and electronic).
- finite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The next step is unlimited free voice calls on Google Talk in exchange for letting them do speech-to-text and datamine your conversations, like NSAT&T is already doing. At least Google will be upfront about it when they're doing it. Does anybody really think AT&T isn't already using that kind of technology for entirely nongovernmental applications?
- mighty_mouth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Audio Contexual Ads"
You know what this means? GPhone. - finite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yeah we can be sure only google has technology like this, the NSA must be *so* jealous !
- toby34a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2***** yeah, 1984. Google's going to hit us up with thoughtcrime.
- Superkid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Lets all just immediately disconnect our mics.
- LawrenceDudley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Talk about invasion of privacy.... I say NO THANK YOU! And I usually love Google...
Observation of search keywords and stuff like that is one thing, but when Google wants to listen to me at home, or even watch on webcam, it all gets a little too big brother for me and I start freaking out.
What happened to "Don't be evil"?! - bigblueball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, the link to the Google Research blog DOES refer to this project, although it's not obvious from the title (Interactive TV: Conference and Best Paper). When you read the actual paper submitted at the conference, you'll find that it's not a joke, and it is indeed scary.
I quote from the paper:
"The viewer’s acoustic privacy is maintained by the irreversibility of the mapping from audio to summary statistics. Unlike the speech-enabled proactive agent by Hong et al. (2001), our approach will not “overhear” conversations. Furthermore, no one receiving (or intercepting) these statistics is able to eavesdrop, on such conversations, since the original audio does not leave the viewer’s computer and the summary statistics are insufficient for reconstruction. Further, the system can easily be designed to use an explicit ‘mute/un-mute’ button, to give the viewer full control of when acoustic statistics are collected for transmission."
Technically, they would be "listening" to the audio you're consuming. "Trust us, we do no evil." Maybe, but the power to do evil does seem to be growing. - finite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@invader: what satire?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2now this IS big brother.
- Piglith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder how they are planning on getting around the 2 party agreement on recording (In my state)?
I would never agree to being recorded in this fashion. I can see the lawsuits now! (regardless of any EULA I've clicked on, hummm "Subject to change with out notice" been seeing this more and more)
They will love my TV sounds..... (The XXX channels, Shopping Channel (ewww how borring), how about some Evangelist channels!) Oh what fun you could have messing up their statistics - whiskeysquared, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OH! Hell no! *unplugs microphone*
- axonal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Although I should add I liked the comment that "Google is a front for the NSA." Nice conspiracy theory.
- dan_s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I totally agree... scary to the max!! Regardless of anything else... with wiretapping going on without a warrent, whats to say that big brother would not monitor your discussions with your family in the privacy of your own home. No NO the goverment would NEVER do anything like that. If you arent a criminal you have nothing to fear. But what if they dont tell you that what you are doing is illegal? "Sorry sir, you dropped the F-bomb 5 times today which is against the US. Secret Moral Code... No you cant see the law... it is secret"
- asiaeroticacom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1is this anti google spin? only a fool or NSA plant would kiss google's ass rave about how intrusive tech wil make their life easier
- Universal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3At least Google will be able to recommend a brand of toilet paper for you via ads
- rhettnyedotorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1big brother is *_listening_*
- bprice25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Am I the only one sick of all the Google hype? Yes, they can do search and ads, and I'll even give them Google Earth, but everything else is just crap. They just throw junk out there to see what sticks. How about a Google operating system with a Google browser going across the Google wireless network. Oh, don't forget the Google office package (like any business wants to store their spreadsheets and documents online). To me, Google is going down the path of hated companies faster than Microsoft ever dreamed. This latest story, if true, definately launches them into that category.
- INeedAttention, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Another company tried listening in to what users were watching on TV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuecat
Those wacky cats at :CueCat that sent the welcome kit to Wired magazine subscribers only sent on the barcode scanner (which is a whole other story). But also, they distributed :CueCats through RadioShacks, and if you picked up the :CueCat in the store, you could also get a special cable. That cable had a 1/8" stereo plug on one end and a female RCA plug and a male RCA plug on the other. You were supposed to connect the RCA cable to pass through your right speaker's output. The 1/8" plug was to go in your microphone port. Their software would listen for certain cues (no pun intended) in the audio of your TV.
We'll have to see how it goes down. - leszek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2if you are not seeing the big picture now, you are very naïve
- maverick_swl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In the words of Vash... "SCAAARRY!!"
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