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- rritterson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53i, for one, welcome our new google free wifi overlords.
/sorry, was obligatory - ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50free wifi can dominate me any time.
- cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+43I really want Google to succeed with this so they can bring free wifi everywhere.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40Google's best project = Gmail.
- celticeric, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39In Soviet Mountain View, google-wifi uses you....
...for beta testing. - cogen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30I, for one, welcome our google-overlord-joke-hating overlords.
- Pluckie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25This will be up there in Google's best projects along with Google Maps and Google Earth. I bet this will be received a little bit better than Google Talk...
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28What or WHO is a "trusted tester", Kevin? ;)
I'm sure this will be great... - arunforce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22I think trusted testers are only Google Employees.
- ridgelawrence, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Woah, google surprises me again.
- zebwinz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Man, that is a crap-ton of access points! Gotta love google!
- Pluckie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18This will also surely surprise companies like T-Mobile who provide disgustingly expensive hotspot access. I bet they won't be too pleased with this move by Google.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16You'll need Google Satellite.. (It's free but they beam ads into your night sky.)
- fugazi, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Please no one say that overlord crap and put google in it. Its the most annyoing thing ever.
- skyanathema, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11one step closer to world domination
- DamnitDan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10From the FAQ
"If you are interested in helping us improve this service by hosting a Google WiFi node on your property, please email mvwifi-suppport@google.com"
and
"Please contact Google if you are a homeowner and you believe that your house is in a 'dead zone.' If you are willing to install a node on your home, then Google may be able to help. Please email your physical address to us at mvwifi-support@google.com." - j3one, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11So what will a blue acess point be? Hmmmm..
http://wifi.google.com/images/blue-access.png - sych0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10and so it begins...
- ross., on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Someone run out and get some photos of these...how do you install so many access points?? are they like attached to the top of power poles or in people yards or whats the deal? How do you orchestrate something like this?? amazing.
- tagliare, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Google's best project: Google (web search)
- shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11what's wrong with Gtalk? I use it everyday and I love it. It works great and even checks my email for me.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"what's wrong with Gtalk?"
Technically speaking, nothing is wrong with it. The problem is that almost nobody uses the google talk network. A large number of people don't even know it exists. Most people still use AIM, so if you want to IM your friends, you also have to use AIM. The technology that becomes the standard is not always the best technology. FLAC is better than mp3, but everyone uses mp3. There will always be a few nerds who use the better technology and try to convert everyone else, but it never usually goes anywhere. - ultrasoul, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10California here we come ...
- tktino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8 Access Point: 200 Montebello .. KINDA ODD... isnt it?
- Pluckie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Does anyone have any idea of how they're setting these hotspots up?
I wouldn't think you could just drop the wireless routers (if that's what they use) wherever they want... Are they putting them in homes/stores/cell phone towers??? - joerod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8this is great, but how would this generate any kind of revenue for them, and when will this be in NYC
- orvl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Anyone have any clue as to what kind of pipe Google is planning on putting behind their wireless network? That'd be sweet if it was full 100mb (assuming it's 802.11g) or more if they went with 802.11n access points as well...
- chesterjosiah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I wonder how long it will take for this to spread. According to valleywag, there were legal issues with providing this across the country. Read more about that here:
http://www.valleywag.com/tech/google/googles-secret-plans-trogdor-calendar-and-wifi-153854.php - kurotenshi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7GigaOm had the rumor last week, some people in Mountain View saw the ssid when their computers searched for a signal..
http://gigaom.com/2006/07/13/google-mountain-view/ - rs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You install them the same way you install mercury vapor lamps on the street. You'll need a bucket truck, a crew of installers, a purchase order made out to http://www.tropos.com/ for amounts that would shock you if you're used to buying consumer APs because (a) they're not consumer APs and they're actually well-built (something like $2500 a crack if memory serves, (b) you're buying 'em by the palletload, and (c) you're paying a premium for a mesh networking radio that actually works as advertised (at least to a first approximation, heh). Presumably Google has the good negotiators to be able to get the pricing down somewhat, but they're still gonna be expensive.
Don't forget the case of beer for the installers at the end of a workday. This should have been figured into your budget from the beginning; these guys are busting ass on your behalf, treat 'em right.
No, this isn't your buddy's Linksys with OpenWRT on it and the power turned up beyond FCC maximums and an external antenna hung off it. - RSCruiser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7What did you expect? That everyone would magically care that you hate the saying?
Posting that out of nowhere invited it more than anything. - everwillow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Funny, unless those access points have pretty amazing range, they seem to have forgotten to put any access points around Microsoft's Silicon Valley campus (in the rectangle just south of the official street address).
http://www.microsoft.com/about/companyinformation/usaoffices/northernca/siliconvalley.mspx
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1065+la+avenida+st,+mountain+view,+ca - metalrock76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Coming to San Francisco..
"Google is working to provide a wireless network for the city of San Francisco. Currently, there is no set date regarding when this service will be available to residents of San Francisco, nor are there current plans to provide a wireless network to any other cities. Please refer back to this FAQ for future updates."
on http://wifi.google.com/faq.html - zkirill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7https://wifi.google.com/download.html
- tktino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5thats in utah.. [ Access Point: 200 Montebello ]
- Sheaf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm fairly excited since I work in Mountain View. We go out to lunch everyday and it'll be pretty nice to take a laptop along and have access in the car and at restaurants.
The boxes themselves are quite visible all over the city atop light poles and such. Good job Google. - rusty0101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4By corelary, you are suggesting that the people at Google _are_ stupid.
Well, Ok. I guess you are entitled to your opinion. Thanks for sharing.
Not entirely sure what Verizon has to say on the matter as well. Largish telco with a wifi network deployed that they are selling service on. Granted Google does not appear to be planning on charging anyone for now, but I would suspect that there are people at Verizon who would disagree with your assesment that building out a network of this sort is a bad idea. Then again, there are people who would argue that since that is Verizon, perhaps it is a bad idea. - manatee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6that rocks! I wonder how long it will take them to go nationwide? Anyone care to place a bet?
- stou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Trusted testers are not necessarily affiliated with google, for some reason or another google invites some people to test stuff... if you are active on one of the google groups... or find bugs / suggest stuff to them.
- rusty0101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Ultimately that's going to depend upon what they decide to build out. A HotSpot(HS) may very well have wireless links to other HSs to do distributed local routing to get to an AP with several links into it. That AP may do the local dhcp configuration for the area HSs, and be bacbone connected via some high capacity fiber ring. Ethernet (of any speed) isn't going to cut it because of the distances involved.
If I were designing something like this, I would build Gb-A bridges as all of the hotspots. These provide a local 802.11gb connection to customers, and use one or more 802.11a connections to route traffic towards an AP. The AP would consist of a number of 802.11a to ethernet bridges, switched to a gig linked router that handles the connection to the fiber ring. Run the fiber as ATM, or ethernet over SONET, and connect it to two bridges to your own ISP connections.
If I had licence authority, I would probably look into backplaining the interconnects via a G3 cellular system, and my own infrastructure costs might go down. Not sure how the one time hardware costs would compare to the access costs for G3, but if I were also proving a G3 cellular network, it might be a wash, or in Google's favor. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7WiFi is designed for LANs. Using WiFi for large scale wireless networking is a waste of money. The map illustrates how little coverage you get for your money. There's a reason telecom companies aren't pursuing this approach. They're not stupid.
- kevincw01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4when you see how much a cellular monopole costs to deploy(plus monthly land lease and uplink b/w charges), you will change your story. Try 1.5 million + ~$1000/mo compared to $4000(w/ installation) + ~$150/mo.
- p1azma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4edit: It's not up yet. In the e-mail they said they'd contact all the "trusted testers" once the network was up and they haven't.
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It must be a fun time right now to be living in the Valley.
- orvl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I hate you
- saleens281, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Carrier neutral means they don't police the traffic. You would get blamed just like you do now.
- Just, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Looks good
so now lets talk speed
we all know what they said they were going to provide, but what is it actually like
speed test http://testmy.net/
for Download speed test click here -> http://www.testmy.net/dl-97
for Upload speed test click here -> http://www.testmy.net/ul-97
lets see some real scores of what google wifi is capable - netgoddess, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3802.11's range limitations are not a result of FCC power limitations, they are a result of multipath interference (especially in urban areas, which have a lot of RF reflective surfaces). Turning up the power won't help--that's why 802.11 was originally designed to have lots of low power APs instead of a few high power ones.
- thafooz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Indeed. I'm rather sick of telco monopolies. Right now my choice is Time Warner or... nothing.
- metalrock76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3actually the FAQ's are at
http://wifi.google.com/faq.html -
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