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- haumschd, on 10/12/2007, -12/+330It needs to be done!
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -10/+160Who's downvoting this guy? It *does* need to be done. AT&T has too much of a firm grasp on the Internet pipes.
- SoccerBoy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+124It was only a matter of time.
The telcos have to much power and are trying to get fatter. - plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -2/+115Not only does it "need to be done", but it can be done, Google owns a crapload of dark fiber, maybe this was their plan all along :-)
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/20/1514244 (couldn't find the original article) - analgesia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+93Google should let AT&T pay for being in there search index.
- cactushigh, on 10/12/2007, -5/+90the telcos suck. Thank god for the internet.
- chimona, on 10/12/2007, -5/+88The Fed needs to grow some balls and repo that dark fiber from SBC/at&t. tax money paid for it, now they own it and refuse to do anything with it. ***** Them.
- kurosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+81Flat out, this just makes me happy. I was so upset when I heard the judicial decision, and such proposition just might change the way we look at telco's. If Google could change e-mail and force Microsoft to expand from 2MB to 250MB email boxes, just imagine what a Google/eBay/Amazon telco could do.
- umrgregg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46This is the kind of moving and shaking we've been hoping the internet age would bring. I hope it happens.
- jimphelps, on 10/12/2007, -27/+67Brilliant!
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -33/+67!tnaillirb
- nebunezzar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33Google does own a bunch of dark fiber if I remember correctly. It may not be to the house but it's a start in getting there.
- uymai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33it'd be a dream to actually pay a company you respect for internet access
- jdelsman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24They aren't making their own telco. Google is probably going to team up with Amazon, eBay and other companies and open up that dark fiber they have bought all across the country.
- rusty_g, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24you seem to forget how much money google has, google doesn't have to get it from At&t or Verizon, they can buy or build their own... forget the "dinosaur telcos"!!!!!
- zaren, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26I'd buy that for a dollar! (Robocop rocks!)
Seriously, I'd be all for this. Get those old copper dinosaurs out of the way of modern communication, get someone involved that WANTS to run a nice chunk of fiber to your front door, and we'll see what happens. - fullwaza, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Now that is a cool idea!
- JohnboiWaltune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22"AT&T has too much of a firm grasp on the Internet pipes."
Not to mention a too-cozy relationship with the government, and its 3-letter agencies who are interested in your data. Hell, AT&T IS a three-letter agency, and it's part of the government in all but name (and responsibility to obey Constitutional law). - chimona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Wireless should not just be discounted as slower. With 802.11n coming out we should expect speed faster than 100 ethernet. So the wireless cap is able to handle speeds much faster than my cable internet. thats not to say they are going to offer bandwidth at that speed, but the cap doesnt prohibit it. Also, since nothing physical is going to my home, it makes the system much easier to upgrade.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Settle down there Rusty. Don't blow out your question mark key.
- manitcor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16the only thing that concerns me is the continued tying of the content to the pipe. What would stop Content Provider network from doing the same thing to the rest of the net that the telcos are proposing. Of course it wouldnt be this way at first, though I could imagine it happening in time.
If google and others make a move to buy up large portions of the wireless specturm it may be thier intent to do as the article states or it could simpily be a bargining chip to get the telcos to back off. And work out some other arrangment with the content providers. - ripter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Fast wireless is already here http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/advantage/
14Mbs Speeds, sure its not fiber, but its faster than DSL or Cable - Intrepion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16is Google Crack still in beta?
- DCTsunami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Yeah, but this new wireless will be faster and over a longer range. Inevitably, wired speeds will increase with the competition, but most people don't need that kind of speed. Wireless will always be more convenient. This would be like how cell phones are a substitute for landlines.
- jgstew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12And remember, with fast wireless access, Google and its partners can then compete with Cellular networks. They already have Wifi Cell phones that can switch seemlessly in the works. Imagine one fast, cheap wireless network that could eventually have better coverage than cell towers. The potential money for google&partners could be huge.
This could easily be a reversal, with Google&partners powerful and the telcos making deals. - tellman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12That wonderfull - I'd rather pay my money to these companies, if I can get products and services including ISP from these guys.
- fishdan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Holy Crap could that be any sweeter? I bet you don't here one more pipe (pun intended) out of AT&T or Comcast.
- rusty_g, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10yeah but they still need those large dark fiber lines to be the backbone for the wireless access.
- centinall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10That would only make them just as bad.
- andreo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Not only just a dream to pay a company with your best interest at heart. But also a company with vision. AT&T only cares about keeping up. They stopped innovating a long time ago.
And they also (for lack of a better word / phrase) love it when they have the public and companies by the short hairs.
Well I say it's time to shave those pubes and light that fiber that Google has been buying up! I have a safety razor with me now. Who's with me! - tysonwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Great idea! Screw the greedy telco's!
- apache2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I would be much more comfortable if google had my back on the internet
- nebunezzar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Most ISPs barely offer enough bandwidth to make an 802.11B router sweat. Decently fast wireless is available, so don't fool yourself that it's going to be painfully slow.
- Googs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This is perfect timing for Google to move in and buy this spectrum out. They have about $7-10 billion sitting there just for this.
Google will buy out most of the spectrum to provide HighSpeed wireless pipepline (HSPDA) Create a wireless Cellular network (Will buy out T-mobile and become GMobile, G-Mob, G-talk) and offer cellular services along with WiFi (UMA capabilities).
They will become a major provider not only as a Cellular Company but also a broadband provider. This will only generate more revenue than any company ever thought about. Using their own AdSense to provide those ads on the side of your browser while you surf the web and pay close to nothing to have their service....
Google, are you guys hiring? I sure need to come work for you guys.... - JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7They're just calling the Telcoms bluff.
In Canada we went the other route and legislated reduced cost wholesale access for ISPs. Better in the short term, but not so good long term, where a competing network would be better.
There's was an article about this in the Economist a couple years back. - danpsmith, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The telcos are not trying to extort money based on bandwidth. They are offering web companies a way to lower the latency of their packets if they need it.
If the state allowed you to register your car in such a way that you were allowed to legally drive 15 MPH over the speed limit would that slow down all the current drivers?
misleading...Giving one site precedence over another will slow down all other traffic. It's more like if all the cars on the highway had to go 10 mph slower so you could go 10mph faster. I doubt they'll even break into the unused portion of their bandwidth for this "service", it'll just make everying else a lot slower by comparison. Suddenly everyone uses the corporate customers because they "load faster". - pierre, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Good for them, telcos have been ripping people off long enough.
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Telcos are led by stodgy old farts who dont do anything except complain.
Funny it kind of reminds me of Sony. - danpsmith, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8They will provide an alternative, making the telcos have to keep themselves in line. Alternatives provide a self-policing environment, because if one provider starts really sucking ass, you can hop over to the other. Something tells me tho that Google, the company that made its billions off of end-to-end, isn't going to roll out another monopolistic crap service and try to do the exact same thing, come on.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10That's a terrible idea. Regardless of AT&T's supposed extortion attempts Google should NEVER charge anyone to be listed in the index. That opens a whole new can of worms, especially if Google and friends start their own ISP.
- jeolmeun, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16amageBoogglezonay
- Havs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If google in fact does start a wifi service, its lower tiers would more than likely be free. They'll simply use advertising revenue to pay for the service. Imagine Google inserting a frame at the top (or side) of every web page displaying their advertising. It'd be easy for them to do; they'd just scan the web page you're viewing and display relative sales content, just likely they do now. But the best part for Google, they won't have to pay ANYONE to display those ads, it's pure profit for Google. Under its current model, web content owners get a cut of every click-through to Google linked content. That'll be history, Google will rake in so much cash through this form of advertising they can let all the other data transmissions through for free (games, bit torrent, voip, you name it).
Think they've been working on GMail simply to provide it to their customers... WRONG. Email is clear text; what's stopping Google from scanning every email message and inserting relevant ads, regardless of whether you're using GMail, Yahoo Mail, or even your own mail server. You're using their network, for free no less, so you'll have to live with it. I'm sure they'd offer a faster service without ads, as long as you're willing to pay.
If you think about it, the majority of users use the web for two things; www access, and email. Those two forms of content are incredibly simple to insert other information into, and Google has the perfect tools to do it. They want to go after the sheeple that are very susceptible to advertising (you know those people that click "yes" to everything and end up with all the spy-ware on their machines), and this is the perfect way to do it. Give access to them for free, and bombard them with ads, but in the oh so subtle and relevant way Google does it best. It's the perfect plan for their business model. I'd be shocked if they DIDN'T do it. - Blaze312, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7comin in to save the motha ***** day yeah!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6And yet, AT&T should be thinking INSTEAD... "We can provide better service to our customer by building high speed pipes into major content providers on the Internet." They're just not thinking about what their customers want, which is the kind of thing you'd expect from SBC or ATT.
- msipes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Bravo! Way to shove it to them. If they are going to bully google around, then fight them back by going into the same market!
- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"I wish google would just take out at&t ( SBC ) , Its just a matter of time before at&t , and there friends in the white house get the FCC to stop VOIP or slow it down with regulations. "
What, regulations such as "The phone has to work when power goes out?"
OR "You must tie your system into the 911 system?"
OR "You must pay into the Universal Service Fund?"
OR "You must continue paying for the Spanish-American War?"
Yes, if you look on your phone bill there is still a tax that was created to help pay for the Spanish-American War... - GruntboyX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5am i the only one here slightly worried? Dont get me wrong i love it when someone gives the finger to the bully, but I dont know if Google, Amazon, and Ebay could represent our interests any better. I think its a great thing to fight this battle of extortion, but what about the long term war? Monopoloy on internet access? Google then giving perfered treatment to its broadband customers, Ebay and Amazon locking you out unless you have googlebayzon net?. I mean i hate what microsoft did to the browser market, the long term for google doing the same to internet broadband is just as likely. Dont forget, they are a publicly traded company whose shareholders stand for the greenback, not the consumer interest. There power and cloat could prove to be a longterm thorn in our sides. I am just saying lets be cautious and not sing viva la google to soon.
Furthermore, i am skeptical about a nation wide wireless network. The frequencies going up for auction are the analog tv bands. These tend to be in the 150 ish megahertz range. Now if i am doing my math correctly... this gives only 150 megabits if in a perfect world you could send one bit per each line cycle. We all know this world doesnt exist. Furthermore, 802.11b is in the 2.4 gigahertz range and it operates at speeds of 11mbits and it only goes higher because of quaditure amplitude coding..or whatever it is called. So i love to see how they are going to get reasonable broadband bandwith out of a carrier signal magnitudes lower in frequency. The error control in these protocols would have to be incredible. NOt to mention the antenna to recieve these signals would be significanntly larger than your standard 802.11 antenna. I just dont see it happening. not at reasonable speeds and with telcos going to fiber and being able to deliever 100megabit bandwith in the future. Yeah if Googlebayzon does a national wireless network, they would quickly be eclipsed by the telcos in performance, and Googlebayzon would have no headroom to increase bandwith.
But hey i am just a skeptic bury me if you think i am a party pooper - montag007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think the real question about this issue is if the teloco's start blocking/shaping bandwidth by site or program then don't they loose common carrier status? Wasn't the whole reason why the telco's aren't responsible for what their download is due to the fact that they don't control or filter their networks? Sure hope the telco's are looking forward to antitrust lawsuits & RI/MP-AA going after them!
- HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"AT&T and the telcos are threatening to charge Google and other Web sites extortion-type fees unless Google and others pay for adequate bandwidth."
If only the first sentence in the article was not a misrepresentation of the facts...
The telcos are not planning to do as the sentence implies. The telcos are looking to offer "Quality of Service" to web companies that want it.
Any ISP that told it's customers they could no longer access Google, Ebay or Amazon through their network would lose customers so fast they would cease to be an ISP.
This is bad reporting, plain and simple.
What the telcos ARE offering is more a form of "guaranteed on-time delivery" of packets for web companies that need the feature. Companies such as VOIP and VOD providers. - definiteform, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7If Google was a drug I would be hooked on the stuff and start buying syringes.
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