What is Digg?321 Comments
- ZackWolk, on 03/20/2009, -18/+673Google, minimal, simple, winner.
- Thorpe, on 03/20/2009, -13/+416Damn. I am so glad Google isn't going. Kinda mislead by the title.
- Drehmini, on 03/21/2009, -8/+377Talk about a sensationalist headline to attract readers.
- V-Mob, on 03/20/2009, -15/+338Hello, Google.
- Angostura, on 03/21/2009, -23/+252To summarise: "Whaaaa I'm an artist"
- KirbyMorph, on 03/21/2009, -7/+224She should go work for Apple. 365 different flavours of white would drive her insane.
- eugenesucks, on 03/21/2009, -18/+235whaaambulance
- coldeh, on 03/21/2009, -11/+90I went from working in a very creative design team (external projects) to working for a larger company and doing all in house design work, I can safely say that over the past year I have lost lots of my creative imagination, interest and talent.(Temporarily I hope.)
I feel like I am loosing my soul. The other day was the final straw I think, when someone from another department asked me if I could "tidy" up their word document. - maz2331, on 03/21/2009, -7/+80"When a company is filled with engineers, it turns to engineering to solve problems. Reduce each decision to a simple logic problem. Remove all subjectivity and just look at the data. Data in your favor? Ok, launch it. Data shows negative effects? Back to the drawing board. And that data eventually becomes a crutch for every decision, paralyzing the company and preventing it from making any daring design decisions."
The problem is that a big company isn't supposed to be "daring" - that's for startups and small firms. Too much "subjectivity" and ignoring data is a great way to create a huge embarrassment. - inactive, on 03/21/2009, -17/+73Google has failed miserably?
That's all I needed to read.
So this journalist cum designer has created something better?
Another 'artistic type' with a word processor and agenda who is certain that he/she knows better than the real winners in the online gold rush.
You can have a great design and lose pots of money, or a crap design and make pots of money.
If I had my choice, it would be for a crap design earning pots of money. Minimalism has won, like it or not.
Computers and technology are complicated, most people like it simple.
Simple wins. - ell0bo, on 03/21/2009, -0/+53Come here buddy... lets hug it out! Really, yeah the job sucks, but when you're in a job like that you need to do two things. Make sure you're still doing something at home to keep you sharp and have have your spirits up. Also, be glad you have a job in this damn economy and aren't losing it right now.
- AJL221893, on 03/21/2009, -0/+49You say goodbye, and I say hello.
- Ragzouken, on 03/21/2009, -0/+45I read the title and my first thought was 'This article has no idea what it's talking about'.
- inactive, on 03/21/2009, -5/+43I don't know this person personally but reading the small writing sample suggests that they might be a wee bit 'pompous-whining-complaining-starving-artist'. I suspect their 'personality' had a little bit to do with their failure to fit in at Google.
- soad524, on 03/20/2009, -6/+42I always thought as google as being a simple design. But now I see Google as having a tough time choosing between 41 shades of blue or what the width of a boarder.
- subsocial, on 03/21/2009, -1/+36I question the wisdom of having your thoughts _this_ public when leaving a company.
- arleym, on 03/20/2009, -4/+35I hear in-house work can be soul crushing like that a lot.
- LondonBridge, on 03/21/2009, -1/+32Have to admit, the title had me worried as well...
- toastmonster, on 03/21/2009, -3/+33Can't say I use Google for their design aesthetic, it's more about functionality for me.
- azAZ09, on 03/21/2009, -3/+31The "she" writing the article is Douglas Bowman. Many readers will make the same mistake since "stopdesign" says nothing about the author unless you click the about section yet links in the article refer to another google designer.
Good design choice --eh? - UKsHaDoW, on 03/21/2009, -2/+28Personally I call minimalism great design. Minimalism isn't a excuse for going easy on design, the process takes just as long as any other design.
- sassafras1232, on 03/21/2009, -4/+30You don't like your job? Really? I hear there's a support group for that. It's called "everybody" and it meets every night at the bar.
- bloodhound01, on 03/21/2009, -5/+29Personally I think its awesome they are trying 41 different shades of blue instead of just two. You aren't limitting yourself, personally I think this designer is very arrogant. It makes it seems like whatever HE says is right because he knows the "principles and elements of design". Big friggin deal. I'd rather a company try everything, put them all side by side and work as a team and then decide "what works best?".
- azAZ09, on 03/21/2009, -4/+27Topping the list of overused ambiguous titles and job descriptions for the decade -- "designer".
- ILoveBoobies, on 03/21/2009, -4/+27Agree, sometimes over thinking things is a bad thing...
- gemlarin, on 03/21/2009, -1/+23Good design is invisible. So, obviously it has worked.
- haentz, on 03/21/2009, -4/+26This really makes me wonder if the width of a border line has impact on the shareholders value of Google...
- CeruleanRed, on 03/21/2009, -4/+25This is why I love Google. They demand logical reasons for doing things. The guy wanted to muck around with important stuff, unchallenged, and armed merely with his artistic intuition. Obviously Google was something less than impressed.
- inactive, on 03/21/2009, -3/+24Butthurt ego.
- supertom, on 03/21/2009, -5/+25Dude, that doesn't even make sense.
- KirbyMorph, on 03/21/2009, -1/+21The title lacks context. Therefore, it is misleading to people.
- watermelonnz, on 03/21/2009, -2/+22CONGRATULATIONS YOU CAN COPY PASTE.
Retard. - LondonBridge, on 03/21/2009, -2/+21It does sound soul destroying. I hope your loss of "creative imagination, interest and talent" is temporary.
- LondonBridge, on 03/21/2009, -3/+22Not Google as such, just some people working for Google...
- weeFred, on 03/21/2009, -2/+21Not really, because a plumber knows which pipe will work better. When you design, you're designing for peoples subjective opinions on your design. Different people like different things.
- blackmesa, on 03/21/2009, -4/+22It's no surprise that a company whose success results from thoroughness, being analytical, detail oriented, mathematical, and generally super-engineered results in this kind of thing.
It's a bad thing in many ways, because it can stifle progress and impair flexibility, but the idea that they have "failed miserably [in design] over the years" is patently false. They are one of the most successful internet/tech companies around, and design certainly has a lot to do with it (especially when you look at their competitors). - dschneid, on 03/21/2009, -3/+21Sounds like a great place to work "I’ll miss the free food. I’ll miss the occasional massage" :D
- MtheoryX, on 03/21/2009, -1/+19Making things simple is a surprisingly difficult task.
- fremeer, on 03/21/2009, -0/+18of course it does, a thick border makes something stand out but at the same time it looks bigger and more bulky. You would be surprised how much ***** is actually researched for yonks before it is implemented
- anagoge, on 03/21/2009, -5/+22I've been in this person's position myself, unfortunately and it does get quite frustrating. If you're a designer, you'll sympathise with this post. If not, then I know you won't. However, I do believe that so many people forget that being a designer is a profession like any other and that if you have the qualifications and portfolio to prove that you are as good as you say you are, you should be listened to. It's like arguing with a plumber over what type of pipe to use - it ultimately makes you look silly and the plumber less likely to enjoy working with you.
- Barackalypse, on 03/21/2009, -2/+19So basically the author is butt hurt that the engineers don't have to take his word for what the "principles and elements of Design" say they should do because they can reduce it to a data problem and get the correct answer without him? In the real world, a decision based off of actual test data will be right more often than one based on what theory says.
- blu3bird, on 03/21/2009, -0/+16I swear to god, if they even change the size of the border one more pixel, i'll sell all my stock.
- BIOHazard87, on 03/21/2009, -2/+16He never said Google doesn't do that. He just said its a bad thing. A basic statement not referring to anything.
- Archaic1, on 03/21/2009, -1/+14Given the scale of Google I wouldn't find it too hard to believe that 1px difference in either direction could cost, or earn them millions. And that scares me.
- red0711, on 03/21/2009, -1/+14I think you should quit.
- justonp, on 03/21/2009, -2/+15This person has a misplaced conception of design. Not every company uses design in the same capacity or to the same extent, so it's fallacious to say that companies must have a designer in extremely senior positions. Google's fortune and success is built on finely calibrated decisions and precision that stem from first-rate engineering. Their need for a designer is relatively minor.
To take a different example, Apple's success is based on a more equal mix of design and function. Hence, the prominence of designers within the organization.
And finally, Gucci's products are almost entirely dependent on design, which would explain why designers in Gucci have the most power and other employees are less visible. - themadrammer, on 08/18/2009, -0/+13There's more to work then the freebies.
That's like saying, "Rome was great. They had these circuses and gladiator contests". - MtheoryX, on 03/21/2009, -4/+17Ah, I see yet another idiot just discovered 4chan. Stay there and keep your trash out of the house please.
- rakeshishere, on 03/21/2009, -0/+12Minimalistic is the key behind Google. A good example is Google search.... which is million times better than yahoo
- imneuromancer, on 03/21/2009, -1/+13"I can’t fault Google for this reliance on data. And I can’t exactly point to financial failure or a shrinking number of users to prove it has done anything wrong"
Usually, artists and graphical designers rely on their "design principles" and "Aesthetic integrity" to make pronouncements on high of what is right or wrong in design. Suddenly Google uses data to prove which design is better through millions or billions of actual points of data, and the designer says, "why did you question my judgment?"
What would be more interesting is if an artist took this idea and ran with it, coming up with a new and scientific approach to art and graphic design. -
Show 51 - 100 of 327 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is