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- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -5/+140Remember, all P2P traffic is illegal! You don't want to be caught on the wrong side of the law kiddies! Please come back to Bearshare in three months after we've infested it with bloatware, DRM and sky-high price schemes.
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This message has been sponsored in part by the RIAA, a non-profit organization protecting the rights and profits of the major music cartel. Remember, it is for the musicians. - retral, on 10/12/2007, -7/+91Wow this sucks. ***** the RIAA. Seriously, I don't normally get this agressive in comments but they're starting to piss me off.
- fani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+66:..but they're starting to piss me off."...
Just starting to piss you off ? Where've you been these past 2 years, man !!! Wake up. Take action. - Wardvark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26They spend so much money every time they shut down a P2P network. Those users turn around and use a better P2P solution (bittorrent). This has happened since Napster amd will happen again and again until the RIAA shuts its doors.
- tritium, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Let 'em spend the money. I'd really like to see them shut down Usenet. That would be absolutely hilarious.
- trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Yes, poor gnutella is doomed! They sued away one client, now all that stands RIAA's way now is Acquisition, Acqlite, Apollon, Cabos, CocoGnut, DM2, FrostWire, giFT, Gnucleus, Gtk-gnutella, Gluz, iMesh, KCeasy, Kiwi Alpha, LimeWire, MLdonkey, Morpheus, Mutella, Phex, Poisoned, Qtella, Shareaza, Swapper.NET, Symella, XFactor, XNap and XoloX.
*bender voice* DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!! - AeroSquid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19We need an anonymous p2p app with strong encryption.
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19@vexter I think they had to pay 30M to RIAA, not the other way around. But the article is ambigous about that.
Anyway, the way I see it the future of p2p is either decentralized networks, such as E-mule, or a more or less centralized network with the HQ in a country which is less nazi when it comes to orally pleasing *AA. Maybe Sweeden? - TheRebel88, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I love the recording industry. I love flushing $15.00 down the toilet for a cd with maybe 1 or 2 good songs on it. I also feel good knowing the RIAA is out there punishing families and students for downloading. It makes me feel warm inside.
/sarcasm off - Zaldor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Best to just support music which isn't on RIAA - "Podsafe" music, independant music - it's the only way the RIAA will get the hint...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Dont you mean grammar?
- funkpucker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Only the people who are too stupid to get the music for free pay for it. You're just pissed off at us because we get music, movies, software, radio, and television for free. Stop being so bitter. Maybe if you didn't help the *AA Nazi's software would move open source and community developed faster than the parasite Microsoft. Maybe then we wouldn't have superstar music artists being dumber than your average 5th grader and making 20 million dollars a year, just because they're attractive in a certain way. Maybe then music would return to it's roots and be about the emotion and philosophy behind the music. Maybe then we wouldn't have super-conglomorate media empires that dictate almost everything the average citizen sees, hears, and experiences on a daily basis.
- kloud213, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14everything i have ever created wether it be music or a cool little script ive always gave away for free. people have bought my cd's, it costs next to nothing to record your bands music from home and make it sound good. i beleive all this stuff should be free. bands make dick from record sales anyways, prolly close to 100k(.10 cents per cd, at least this is what ive heard) for a platinum record. if they are a platinum artist they could easily sell out an arena and make that in a night.
- camg188, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Dammit Tritium, don't you know that the first rule about usenet is to never talk about usenet. Never.
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14@account
The musicians get like 4% of the money made on a CD sale. There was an article a week ago, explaining how Apples gets a few cents per song, the artists get another few cents, and the bulk goes to.. ?
If you want to support the artists, go to their concerts, and send them personal checks :) - SourWorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"the point of communication is to get ideas across."
It's generally a lot easier to get ideas across when spelling and grammar are correct. For example, your post would probably be easier to read if the first word of each sentence was capitalized and you didn't put so many newlines in there. But really saying "cd's" instead of "CD's" isn't that big of a deal. - m00nmaster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Not 100% correct, but a good place to start.
Tells you if a CD is affiliated with RIAA.
http://www.magnetbox.com/riaa/ - dWhisper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11The worst thing about everything the RIAA does is hurt technology innovation and legitimate uses of P2P functions. They have put back copyright law and convoluted fair use by bullying tactics and using money and legal action as a threat, basically forcing compliance by going after people who are unable to defend themselves, no matter if the accusation is valid or not.
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@FCon4: You must obviously think everyone that opposes the RIAA are pirates... not true! You don't have to go very far into the RIAA's recent history to read how ridiculously bent on recuperating the industry's losses. Oh, one story comes to mind:
http://www.digg.com/music/RIAA_sue_a_family_without_a_computer_for_filesharing
http://pics.livejournal.com/netter/pic/000134ea - Spaztic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+101 goes down 2 come up in its place....
I wish the artists just said ***** the RIAA and went on strike! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9what really should amaze people is how much liquid capital they have to fight all this..
Well i guess we see their new biz plan that will take them to the 22nd century.
they make more proffit suing people than to have people actually buy their cd's. - 1337geek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13ya know what sucks, i use these services to get the songs from all my busted cd's, the ***** i used to listen to but cant because im lazy with cd's
- dramatools, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8eMule anyone?
The RIAA seems not to have a clue. Cut the middle man. Send all those A & R packing and reestablish relationships with artists and producers that allow the industry a lower cost structure. Use the power of the Internet to improve distribution and profitability. The music biz needs better music and a better cost structure. - cypherz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10emusic.com = No RIAA, indy music
- b3and1p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Information wants to be freeee!!!!
- murph2481, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Phex is what I use these days, open source, no spyware and multiplatform!
http://phex.sourceforge.net/
All things like this do is cause the underground sector to revolutionize how they do things, in a way its good because they will just find a newer better way to do the same thing. (ummm.BitTorrent anyone?)
Funny thing about the web, shutting off a couple of servers doesn't bring it down, kinda like it was designed that way! - Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Traditional means of distributing music are no longer working.
Eventually, indie artists will take the forefront through new readily accessible means, leaving Madonna in the dregs of history (where she belongs). The likes of Yahoo and Google will probably make this possible, adding polished musical channels into their personalized content pages. New music portals will open up in the vein of Shoutcast to promote new music, but will be more polished and commercial.
Note there is continually more content available on the net, not less.
The forefront of music will change because of the available variety, driving musical trends. Podcasts will showcase artists growing in popularity.
And companies like Sony and BMG will probably own the most successful sites. It won't all be free, but neither will everything be commercialized.
Me, I removed that stupid iTunes from my PC a while ago in favor of Juice. - MattH, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8eMusic is owned by Warner
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah, but you don't always know what to serach for. Seriously...you hear a song n the radio or something. Or maybe you rememeber a song from the 80s that you completely forgot about. Do you really know the ALBUM name to search for?
For individual songs, the P2P services that digg users blast are FAR more convenient than BT. PEople want to call me a noob because I get an individual song in 15 seconds rather than spending several minutes to open uTorrent, figure out the album name, verify that the song I am looking for is one of the files, have to hope that it is a decent bitrate (a lot of torrent MP3s are 128) and then go through and hit DON'T DOWNLOAD for all the other songs, etc.
If that makes me a noob, then so be it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6hmm like freenet?
the big problem here.. is inorder to download something.. it has to know how to find you
the only real way to hide who you are is to do something like freenet does and bounce you arround the servers.. so you dont know where the file is coming from and the people sharing dont know you ar egrabing and with freenet the people sharing dont even know what they are sharing.. Unfortunately like all security it is a pain.. and mainly in the bandwidth department.
what people really need is real fair use.. i shouldnt have to buy a song i already own for a ringtone
I shouldnt have to buy a cd of crap just to get the one decent song
I shouldnt have to listen to radio stations that all play the same thing and play songs they were bribbed to play.
And it shouldnt break the bank to get a song and or cd. - murph2481, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yea if by free you mean crappy streaming, bad quality, and you cannot listen to a song more then 10 times. Oh boy!
- Doobious, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@PowerCow
Point taken, but I have read stuff on the Internet (stuff written by english speaking people--not foreigners for whom english is a second, or even a third, language) that was so badly mangled with grammtical errors, spelling mistakes, and Internet shorthand, that I couldn't even make sense of it. And I can't help but wonder how many times I've THOUGHT I understood what someone was trying to say, when in fact they were saying something else entirely. I'm sure, in the right context, that "CD's" could be mistaken for the possessive rather than the plurar form of the word, thereby chaning the meaning of the sentence... Bad grammar begets bad grammar--and Digg comments are a shining example of that. Let's all make an effort to communicate clearly, 'cause it'll save us a lot of time and trouble in the end. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5encryption doesnt protect you from RIAA.. it protects you from bandwidth shaping and or capping..
your isp doesnt know if you are using bittorent traffic or voip(well i am sure they can guess after a few days of 24/7)
but the riaa can still get your ip from the tracker..
better with tor on your tracker communication... but encryption is nice for the growing number of people being limited by their isp's - drakaan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9One word: gnutella
Two more words: no spyware - CovardeAnonimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5limewire is not spyware (at leas not in linux). it's a _nagware_. everytime you launch it, ot nags you to buy the "pro" version. just dismiss the popup and you're good to go.
- Silby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I personally use Cabos, an open source p2p that uses several limewire servers. Although, that could be a problem if limewire does go under.
- Jakub81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Goodbye SpyWare!! ...I mean ...BearShare!
- aaadamaa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5P2P is not illegal. The software is compltely legal, the only thing wrong with it is THE PEOPLE who upload copyrighted material. the RIAA and such just go after P2P networks cause it's eaiser, and most people think that software like bareshare are actually illegal.
- AshKetchum, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6You had to know this was coming, but a new batch of P2P will be along soon enough. Torrents are way better anyway unless you just want a specific song from a crappy artist.
- m00nmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I am so happy, this program left me cleaning so much spyware off my friend's system. He's okay now thanks to AVG, Firefox and Windows Defender.
- breid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If every ***** who complains about the RIAA would just stop giving them money we would be free of this problem, fast. DON'T BUY THEIR FARKING PRODUCTS. Go back into your collection to listen for a couple years. Give some of the independant/amateur musicians out there a listen - most would cream their pants for a new audience. Support your favorite artists by going to a show when they're in town - that's where they make all their money anyway. If you'd bleed a few of those millions they receive every month, funds for prosecution would quickly dwindle.
- ConceptJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4fani:
2 years? What were you doing for the 20 years before that while the RIAA members were colluding on prices, screwing artists and generally being evil greedy bastards. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Assumming others do follow suit and settle with RIAA, how many people have downloaded the GPL licensed source code for Limewire by now? How many people have downloaded the application, which won't cease to function just because Limewire closes it's doors. Let's not forget the Gnutella protocol is open and it's not too hard to write a P2P client (that is not to say it is easy).
- vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the pro version was actually free, if you found it in the right place because it was open source, and people would make compiled downloads available on the net...
- Daisuke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hmm.. well, think of it this way. Even if you didn't care for BearShare or Limewire, would you say the RIAA's move here was acceptable? I certainly think not! So stop your bitching and whining and support your cause, damnit.
- rtfx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I don't blame poor writers for not knowing how to write(or making it a point to write well). I DO blame poor readers for complaining about other people's writing skills. Writing is not primary communication - speaking is. When one writes it is a "communication product," not a conversation. In a conversation, when things are misunderstood, you ask the speaker to repeat or clarify themselves, or help them find the word they are missing. You don't smack them down and go "IMPROPER USE OF THE POSSESSIVE BITCH" like you're Captain Cool.
So, getting back to the idea that writing is a communication product, it's like any other free content on the Internet - it's not always going to be great quality. People who want to be taken seriously will put more effort into developing their writing skills, while the kids, the people just shooting off their mouth, and the irate will ignore rules because that's not an issue to them: witness all the "you have bad spelling/grammar" posts with spelling/grammar errors in them. I gave up capitalization and punctuation in IM/IRC a long time ago because I decided it wasn't important in presenting ideas in those venues, and I toyed with abbreviations like "u" and "2" but found that people were less tolerant of that. But if you're on someplace like digg and you come across a post that is difficult to understand, the burden is on you to read better. I rarely have trouble, even with foreign speakers, and even with semi-literate natives, in deciphering meaning.
The thing is, if you aren't writing well enough to be understood, you probably haven't developed your ideas to a point where they say anything profound, either. So it just doesn't matter, in the end... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So you are saying you will LISTEN to the *****, but you won't pay for it?
How about this...if the music is so *****...don't pay for it...but then don't LISTEN to it either. But don't say that you aren't paying for it because it is crap, but then admit to downloading it to listen to. That is ridiculous. - Mousefinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>>We need an anonymous p2p app with strong encryption.
There are a few "out there", but they aren't all the popular at the moment (or hard to use). ANts, Mute, FreeNet (somewhat clunky), and I think a couple more (thinking....thinking...). - MaxPowers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3umm... phex is using bearshare and limewires network... lol
- Vision77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is actually a good thing because it will on speed up the demand/development of darknets. I know there are few out like ants waste etc. I just can't wait for them to get faster.
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