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- bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Channel 9 website is a VERY good website....this is a good video, screw summarizing, pay attention and watch the whole thing, you're on a windows box for christ sakes, eat your own dog food.
I would also encourage you to watch the NT kernel video, which is also very interesting, delves into kernel blocks, bottlenecks, etc.. - timewarrior, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For G'sake this is about the vista kernel dont know why people are complaining about this on the front page.
- steveparker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1... Very bad form, following up again on my own post ...
This could hardly be called an in-depth interview when the interviewer's only comments are "great", "excellent", and "fantastic" - manicdvln, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0will registry exist in windows vista? I hate it like poison, almost all problems of windows usually derives from it.
- tarun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I love Chan. 9, and I've submitted plenty of Chan.9 stories to Digg but none of them have made the front page.
And then AlPacino submits one and it makes front. Anyone find this suspicious? - hiro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"i downloaded windows vista but it was in pdf format. how the ***** do i get that to an iso or a bin? =["
Please tell me if I'm laughing with you, or at you : ) - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No. It's probaby one of the best channel 9 videos, it's the kernel architecture for vista discussions. I really respect windows for doing channel 9. Guys go check out going deep in the channel, there are some absolutely AMAZINg interviews about the system you use 24/7.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=145665
Vista Audio Stack and API. Quite interesting for anyone that uses windows for audio recording/processing - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i've tested the vista 1 beta, and some various interims up to 5270 (released about a week ago); each build has been stable, but the early ones had some erratic problems but 5270 hasn't crashed on me yet. i have been using them on my amd xp3200+, 1gb ram & 6800 gt, and on my old amd duron 1.2ghz, 512mb ram and mx440; on my old system i turned off a few things otherwise it was relatively not bad, but that system is very out of date.
also, they are going to have a 'feature complete' build in about a month, but they aren't even promising if this one will work. ;)
.. if you ever use 'm$' or say 'windows suckz' or even 'mac > window in all lol' you should watch this, so you stop sounding like an idiot. - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Has vista been running pretty stable alevel?
- NidStyles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I just watched the first five minutes of the interview, and from what I can tell they are trying to make it sound more like a *nix system. They talked about breaking up the dpendency issue in the registry, which is where most of Window's problems are in the first place. Personally I think the registry was a great idea, but the way it was implemented was the faultline causing headaches for everyone. I just hope they figure out a way to make the registry less brittle to alterations to it's structure, and actually have a way of rebounding from crashes without taking the whole system down..
- bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+05500 binaries in all of windows vista, did I hear tha right?
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0sorry to say but they are keeping the registry.
"yea this new vista will be soo cool and secure but we are leaving the biggest problem with windows in it just for good measure." - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 - "I don't regret the registry was developed; It's unfortunate that the registry was overused"
- "overused is the wrong word for the registry. The real problem with the regsitry is that we never actually defined the set of guidelines and schema for how people should use the registry - and if we had done that, we wouldn't be in this mess today."
But they are going to get us out of this mess, apparently.
I like the guy on the very left. The guy in the middle sounds like a good manager though,,, - ahmerhussain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nist will not be using the NT kernel? That's wierd. Thet's teh next best thing M$ has to the Linux Kernel. lol
- piesforyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Interesting stuff. Wish I knew more about this sort of thing.
- ericpp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here are a couple interesting things from the video:
They want to be able to isolate different sections of the OS so that one development group can't mess up another groups work.
Moving a large part of driver code from kernelspace into userspace.
Allowing a process to be scheduled so that it can consume all the system resources up until another process needs those resources instead of having the two processes fight with each other. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Digg more of these. For those of you who keep insisting that Vista is just a UI update for XP, you need to visit Channel 9, and stop making fools of yourselves.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Saving the video and watch it later
- SkaAgent11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The business about being able to detect dependencies from a binary is VERY interesting. This sort of thing would be invaluable on a *nix system (granted that it works as well as they claim it does).
- tomaburque, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Will someone watch this 49 minute video and get back to us with a summary?
- steveparker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So, they're working out that User-Mode drivers can have some function, but are a performance drag; that application developers want 100% but it's not a good idea to give it to them; that the Registry is a mess, but they've no ideas to improve it; that compatability is an issue; that monitoring is an issue; that reliability and reporting are issues ... This is all good news, but why don't they just license UNIX?
The /etc/ hierarchy is unintuitive between different UNIX/Linux systems, but it works, and can be reliably backed-up and restored. A change to /etc/foo does not affect /etc/bar - it does not have the ability to break the entire /etc/ filesystem!
What they have been talking about is tying in application types into the OS (given that the Windows graphics layer is in-kernel, this makes sense for multimedia apps), but then saying that a fullscreen DVD (for example) should have the full resources of the system, following that by saying that the output should be put to a lower priority to the email software (do you want to be interrupted from your film to learn that you've got spam?).
On the positive side, they acknowledge that a server wants full priority on incoming network traffic (as opposed to the DVD-playing PC above) but no mention of how this is to be organised, let alone made secure... the first thing a virus would do is to claim that it's a full-screen multimedia application, with claims on Graphics, CPU, Network, Disk, and any other resources grabbable). - timewarrior, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Awesome DIGG^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>Personally I think the registry was a great idea, but the way it was implemented was the faultline causing
> headaches for everyone. I just hope they figure out a way to make the registry less brittle to alterations
>to it's structure, and actually have a way of rebounding from crashes without taking the whole system
>down..
FYI... the registry is going away after Vista, they are going to some sort of directory tree/file based system, probably with a little WinFS thrown in for indexing and quickly locating what an app needs. - steveparker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I did miss a few clarifications in my previous post - Sun has an ABI compatability guarantee across all releases of Solaris (though some details, such as the init process in Solaris 10, may change).
As for detectability, there is no mention of getting close to /var/log/messages, let alone dmesg, or the Solaris 10 dynamic tracing. Even AIX now has advanced error diagnosis and reporting to detect that a certain sequence of failures indicates a failure in a certain area of hardware. Being a software-only company, MS do not have the ability to provide this kind of detailed hardware-failure diagnosis.
They also admit that there has (until now) been no tracking of how one binary depends on another - not even at a source level, but at a binary level also. This is not from the "what we've fixed in Vista" team, but the "what we're hoping for the release after the release after Vista" team.
So they are improving the build process (with a "10ft tall map in Building 26" !!!) to avoid such problems .... were this a 4-yr-old startup which has suddenly found that its half-arsed software has become big, this would be expected, even normal. Since Windows has had an OS monopoly for over a decade, this is simply unforgivable.
Steve "Glad not to work at MS" Parker.
FWIW, I'm no shill for any particular OS; Solaris and Linux are my preferred OSes, but I have no bias beyond a basic tenet of "works transparently; understandable, diagnosable and fixable". That's not a Holy Grail, it's available right now, and that is what I am used to. At 32, with a lifelong career in IT, I am finally required to use Windows XP as a desktop (I would not take a job requiring me to implement Windows in its current state) and am seeing first-hand the opacity and inadequacies of the Windows OS. (The MS applications are Good Enough, and no more, but that's a different subject). - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0All I need to know is whether I can get a significant performance increase out of my dfi lanpart slidr 3200+ 2.0 Ghz 1GB 2-2-2 RAM 6600GT new rig. If I will, I will switch.
- rmcc8, on 09/21/2008, -0/+0thank you for the info. you still need windows registry cleaner for your computer.
http://registry-cleaners-soft.com/ - sadsac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There will likely be like 5 levels of vista, some priced over $200. If you pay even $100 for an upgrade, you are insane. The only way to take vista will be with a new system purchase, so MS gets much less money. Upgrading just the OS is a sucker's deal.
- zenlogix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, Now ill be able to put a new face on the responsible of my next blue screen of the death!
- timewarrior, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 Vista Transactional File System -> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=142120
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The visual aspect is related like with windows 2000 and xp but your not seeing a fix list like open source and you have herd this before the visual improvements are just a windows update but how the response that the kernel and windows takes in is the most important and because this is better than 4 years ago we must upgrade why ....well the OS is not a peace of software and we need change. Application model is the most important. Some apps can break the windows OS today and it is unknown which could break because of the models the developers use which is very important. The simple aspect about this is that a app can change your OS and you blame windows because a developer doesn't know how to wright code. This simple idea would keep windows at its life cycle longer if software were developed correctly.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Very important stuff...but then need network fixes bad and I hope they tackle that.
But I think we will all agree that we hope they do better on release than they usually do! - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can do everything I want to do with XP PRO right now. I think microsoft is going to find it VERY hard to create incentives for people to upgrade to Vista. A 64-bit chip? More memory? more RAM? 256MB RAM GPU? and which version of OS do I get? I can smell millenium edition's, history repeating itself again...Most people will say...for what? Surfing the internet, playing music, getting on valve, burning cd's, watching movies, and downloading torrents? Well *****, I can already do everything I want to do with my computer. Now if it's going to polish my monkey...lol
Sure we gotta get to the next killer app, but I don't think this is going to happen before quantum computing/nanotechnology takes off.
Yes windows will survive, yes I will have to support their damn OS for a while, but other companies are rapidly gaining market shares in the OS world.
I think vista is going to be slower because of Microsoft's first hand experiencei n the world of Mutual Exclusion and doing everything they can in the user space. By then the MAC OS will have their Leopard 10.5 OS released on intel x86 computers....I'm actually really looking forward to what's going to happen. - jasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just sounds like the same old M$ propaganda crap. "Look at us and our product, we've got all these cool featurez". In reality, they're just catching up to real (read: Unix) OSes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windows users make the registry a database and so do developers this is a problem lets hope they fix that.Thats why you hear about why does my computer slow down after time well how many apps do you got and wich accessed the reg!
- bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Steve, LOL I was thinking the same thing listening to that guy. If you listen to professional interviewers like Charlie Rose, etc.. you can tell they refrain from reacting too much to the answers they get to their questions. What do you expect from channel 9 though...these guys are programmers, not interviewers, they don't know jack about how to interview people...
- bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what kind of a computer do you have alevel?
- 5Alive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Very informative. Sounds like they're going to do a lot of cleanup. Also sounds like they're letting the current mess imply the new architecture. Is this better than designing a new system? It's good to refactor, but what's the point of refactoring something that everyone seems to agree is an "organic" "mess".
- manicdvln, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This sucks, if registry still exists, that can only mean viruses, spyware and malware will continue to be prominent in windows.
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Yeah, he is lame. He diggs his own submissions."
Well give him one for submitting it... and take one away for him having multiple accounts =(
Unfair ***** monger... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0
"And then AlPacino submits one and it makes front. Anyone find this suspicious?"
Isn't it obvious? Al Pacino and Kevin Rose are lovers. - staticten, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"And then AlPacino submits one and it makes front. Anyone find this suspicious?"
well, he is Al Pacino!! Remember Godfather? - alevel27mage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I have Vista installed, and there is something I'd like to say:
It pwns. It's much faster than when I had XP Pro installed, and it looks nicer. But here's my favorite thing that just happened today: I downloaded linux distro this morning from Usenet (about 2.5 gigs). I run a par check on it, open the rar, extract... and then when it gets to the part where it moves the file from temp to where you said to extract it, it was instantaneous. I didn't notice until I checked 10 seconds later, and saw it was done. It was amazing! =D - bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I would urge EVERYONE to watch as much channel 9 as possible. It helps clear out the clouds about what kind of a company microsoft is; it's their first step in 'open sourcing' their operations. It's easy to point the finger at the big guy, but you should stop and think for a second and try to perceive things from a different angle, that's much harder - but that proves that you're now thinking critically, and that's a step in the right direction.
- IpodCrazy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0blah blah blah, they have a lot to say because they are the ARCHITECTS. They make thing for petes sake. It'll be better than XP, but it looks like to me that they're really focusing on visuals. If you notice i'm a mac user. suckas.....but i also have a windows computer, it's alright, but i would rather have the mac os. 1984 baby
- NidStyles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0*yea, they are now putting ***** like that in pdf and it needs to be converted. i also got dreamweaver couple weeks ago with the same deal. suck my dick bitch. acting like you know something.*
Open it in Adobe, and see if it's actually a program or some BS. You probably got ripped. Either way you shouldn't be DL stuff if it's beta if you don't get why it was .pdf or how to convert it. - tarun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Digg needs some serious security measures to combat this. It totally pisses me off--I submit a lot to Digg. Sometimes I submit obscure stuff that I KNOW will not make it to front, but I'm happy if it gets 10-15 diggs. But it's extra special when a story does make front tho.
It kinda sucks with EVERYTHING a few ***** have to ruin it for the rest of us. - hiro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0"yea, they are now putting ***** like that in pdf and it needs to be converted. i also got dreamweaver couple weeks ago with the same deal. suck my dick bitch. acting like you know something."
Fantastic, my sides are hurting - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0"Anyone find this suspicious?"
Yeah, he is lame. He diggs his own submissions. I have been saying it for a while now.
Just stop digging his stuff and report them as lame. Kind of fitting.
http://digg.com/software/iTunes_Music_Video_Gate
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