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- Ninjab3ar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+72@Ireland
Dugg you down fore the sole reason that you sold your iPod anticipating the iPhone. - Bokista, on 10/12/2007, -2/+60re: Ireland - Just wait until you switch to another portable music player and want to take all your songs with you. Then you will understand.
- corevette, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28since when has LimeWire ever considered DRM?
- Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Also, plagiarism is not an accusation I make lightly, but that appears to be the case here.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=2007-01-02T134016Z_01_N02295773_RTRUKOC_0_US-DIGITAL.xml
The stolen goods show up on the second and third page, and negligible changes are made to the blog posting, presumably to elude a user-initiated search engine verification (i.e., slapping some copied text into the Google search field and seeing what you get). You may also note that the content is licensed under the Creative Commons, so anyone who goes here first can rip the article and post it somewhere else, as far as they know.
It's also a dupe: http://digg.com/music/Ailing_music_biz_set_to_relax_digital_restrictions
Somehow I doubt Reuters would steal from a random blogger. - NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20"Also, plagiarism is not an accusation I make lightly, but that appears to be the case here."
Should have DRMed that article. - LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"I have all my music backed up to a hard drive, that will go on any player I want it to, as for purchased music from the ITS I can burn as high quality mp3's to disk, job solved. As I said before DRM doesn't effect me much."
"Rip tp high quality mp3 my friend."
Obviously you don't know much about the way that codecs work. First off, going from any lossy codec (anything not .wav, .flac, .wavpack, or .shn usually) to another lossy codec will result in loss of quality, no matter how "high" the bitrate used to rerip is. Secondly, the songs from the iTunes Music Store are only 128kbps AAC files, which isn't a great bitrate to start with, and then you rip it to another lossy codec? It's going to end up as crap. So before you start knocking us about how DRM isn't bad, learn more about your statements. - Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Funny, I had a DRM-free 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006. I don't expect 2007 to be any different.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@ireland
I don't understand how someone could be happy about the fact that they're forced to jump through hoops (burn to cd then re-rip as mp3, that sounds like alot of fun for people who are transferring gigs worth of music) to use music that was poor quality and overpriced to begin with. - qwickone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@ Ireland
Plus, I like the idea that when I purchase a product, I use it in any way I see fit. I have a cell phone that plays music, but none of the (extremely limited number) iTunesMS purchases can come with me. - bradk50, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18@ireland
your clueless, you lose a ton of quality trans-coding music(garbage i, garbage out), maybe your deaf and don't care but most people with good stereos do. It sounds like *****. You probably also still had the earphones that came with your ipod i bet.
Why should you have to do all the work of burning YOUR digital music to cd's, or converting from apples format to a standard non-drm'd format that you can play on any device you own? You really should understand stuff before you open your mouth. - laseractive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11eMusic is currently the only site I buy digital music from. If the rest want my business they will have to come up with something similar. I could deal with digital watermarking, but I want my music to work with every device without jumping through hoops.
- Jolls, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13ireland: so basically you have to inconveniently burn a CD to make your music digitally available? ..........
- simd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"I have all my music backed up to a hard drive, that will go on any player I want it to, as for purchased music from the ITS I can burn as high quality mp3's to disk, job solved. As I said before DRM doesn't effect me much."
ITS.... more expensive AND less convenient than a conventional CD. What a remarkable achievement in the digital age. - TomP, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19You sold your iPod? Down you go!
- kazzyD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It's not that LimeWire is DRM... It's that LimeWire could be a real contender in the DRM-Free marketplace. Right now the site isn't really considered a major offering due to legal issues, etc.
- alex32211, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What happened in 2005?
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7How about music players that come with easy to use cataloging software (like iTunes)? How about music players that work with Macs without having to resort to drag and drop for adding new content? How about music stores that don't automatically exclude Mac users (like every Plays4Sure site AND the Zune Marketplace)?
PC users naturally don't have all these problems, but before you label every Mac user as an uberfanboy because we use iPods, remember that we aren't given all the same choices as many makers don't market to or in some extreme cases even allow Mac users to easily use their products.
I could very easily search out work arounds and resort to drag and drop for managing content on a DAP, but why should I? These are supposed to be items of convenience, easy to use, easy to manage. If makers won't make it available for Mac users, don't be surprised when we don't buy them. The iPod (certainly not the best or most feature rich player) does make it easy for anyone (Mac and PC users) to manage their audio and video content. It isn't a matter of marketing and sheep-like following of the herd for many people, it's which is the easiest to use.
Apple won't always have the biggest share of this pie. Sooner or later, SOMEONE will come out with a better player and software that will make the iPod and iTunes also rans. If it works with Macs, I'll be in line to check one out and will buy it if it's just as good or better. - Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Ireland, the short answer is that I don't want to be a criminal under the DMCA just for making crappier versions of music I payed for that can work on my Xbox 360. Although odds are nothing would happen to you if you rip all of your music to CD's and back to mp3's, you still can't get around the fact that if you do this you take a good portion of the quality you payed for away from it. This just isn't acceptable.
- GamingNews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No, they aren't legit, but maybe they have a large enough user base to change models. I think they're great. I can only find about 10% of the movies I search for, but have no problems finding anything when it comes to music, and I search for very obscure titles so that really says a lot.
- Toupee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4sruffelman:
>> "I checked out eMusic because of your comment but then quickly realized that it's not for me -- you have to use Winamp with it... eww."
No, you obviously don't. Their music is DRM-*****-free; I don't have any idea where you get that notion.
(WinAmp rocks, anyway!) - inajeep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Ireland, you must have loads of spare time.
- jbond, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"EMUSIC eMusic just passed the 100 million download mark and is the second largest digital music retailer after iTunes"
I wonder how this compares with AllOfMp3? Amazon could do worse than to just copy AllOfMp3 with no DRM, choice of encoding, fast downloads et al. Perhaps even the pricing. in fact maybe they should just buy AllOfMp3 (except I'd hate to see it disappear).
Just Say No To DRM. m'kay?
BTW. I consider anyone who buys expensive, low quality, DRM infested music from iTMS to be an idiot. And no, burning to audio CD and then re-ripping to MP3 is not a solution. - dangermouse75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4DRM-Free is the way forward. A think tank in the UK is looking into making it legal to copy your own CDs for private use and this same freedom should be true of digital downloads.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095612.stm
Right now if someone purchases a CD or download, they might want to make a copy on their MP3 player, another for their mobile phone, maybe rip a copy to play on their computer and copy a CD for the car. At the moment it is illegal to do so here.
A lot of consumers resent the DRM on digital downloads and refuse to buy music that has these restrictions. I hope the experimental DRM-Free releases sell well and a lot more will follow. I'll definitely be supporting these new ventures. - aMeta4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3eMusic is already DRM free.....
- cg0def, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Amazon and Yahoo working towards a common goal? Is the world about to come to and end or what? And most of all Sony testing out a DRM-free marketing strategy ... this article has to be a joke ...
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, but they don't always have the music I want, which is eMusic's biggest problem. That and I'm not interested in any subscription based model for buying music.
- Mudbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I own all the music I download illegally in some other semi-legitimate way.
Like old cassettes that are worn out. Old vinyl that's scratched to hell, ancient store-bought cds that are now unplayable. Many of the last two categories I bought at garage sales and thrift shops. I don't download any new stuff that isn't by independent artists who freely give their stuff away. I have quite the collection of clasic rock and 90s rock. I go shows if possible and buy merchandise. I absolutely believe that you should never have to buy anything twice (at least anywhere near full price) even if you bought it in 1994. DRM is worse than just stopping you from pirating. They actually want you to purchase the same thing over and over! This should be obvious to anyone that this is the real game here and it needs to stop because it's just plain wrong! - Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ireland, I have used bit torrent legally and never have used it to download music. I had in the past used file sharing sites to get music, but I stopped when it became legally available for sale not to mention I was sick of getting virus's and crappy sounding music files. I also don't like the idea of getting sued for using file sharing to get copyrighted music, so I've gone completely legit in getting my music.
The bottom line for me is as long as I'm paying for my music, I should be able to use it on any device I please for my own personal use. The problem with Apple's DRM is that although it is pretty liberal, it throws a monkey wrench into your mix of problems the moment you want to play it on anything other than a computer or iPod. For this reason I've been leaning towards buying CD's again. (However I'll go back to iTunes every time if music I want is from a Sony artist. I still don't trust Sony as far as I can throw them and that's not very far!)
To the question about Myfairtunes, yes I've heard of it. However again you have to be branded a criminal to use it because using Myfairtunes also makes you a bad guy under the DMCA. Is that going to stop most of us from using it? No. Do most of us have patience to use it? Yes, but some of us don't.. I'm the later of the two. Myfairtunes takes forever! The thing is we shouldn't have to jump through hoops and break laws to do what we want with our music in the first place. - midwinter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ MacParrot
Interesting, i've always thought of drag and drop as the best way to manage files. No reason I should have to use some clunky piece of software to move files across. In fact i've long thought that an mp3 player that doesn't work like this is worthless.. - bluemonki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2eMusic _IS_ DRM Free!! And high bit rate MP3's too :)
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 Apple does WANT to have DRM! It plays well into the standard music industry business model of, tie the content to specific hardware, i.e. turntable/33rpm records or cassette/walkman cd/cd player and now iPod/iTunes. As you ALL know it was also the record industry requiring it of Apple, but in the bigger picture no one imagined it would so work in Apple's favor.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@midwinter
If that's your preference then great. For myself, iTunes makes it easy to manage all my content (music and podcasts. I don't have an iPod with video nor will I buy one until it gets a decent sized screen) and get it on my iPod with little time spent by me having to hunt around. Using the drag and drop method works fine with little extra time spent as compared to iTunes as long as you have all your folders and playlists set up ahead of time. I don't want to bother myself, but if it works for you congrats.
@diggers. Why are you modding him down? It's his personal choice as it should be. - EComni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What happened in 2005?"
Sony rootkit? - cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have been in the downloading music game since the early days. The closest I have gotten to any DRM music is buying some iTunes gift cards for friends. Thinking about it now, I should have given them e-music gift cards....
- jj00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Never said I was a fanboy... and you'd be foolish to think that the iPod had nothing to do with popularizing the medium. Anyway, my point had little to do with your thread and more to do with the industry trying to break dominance.
- jellocat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"All the above companies have something in the works for DRM-free music downloads"
eMusic has always been DRM-free.
Are they going DRM-free-er? Will Playing eMusic files now start searching out other DRM on your computer and destroy it? - bluemonki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sure eMusic doesn't have everything you want, but it is DRM free which is good, so the only way I see to encourage this kind of thing is to support it!
I actually quite like the subscription model - for the price of one real CD I can have 40 tracks. Also eMusic works under Mac and Linux (via eMusicJ).
it's not the perfect solution - but it's getting there :) - balloot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Only on the alternate universie that is Digg would anyone read this article and think that a DRM-free major label music service is coming anytime soon.
You people act like Apple WANTS to have DRM on iTunes. In reality, the music companies wouldn't even talk unless DRM was present, and even then Apple had to do some serious negotiation to get the relatively non-Draconian DRM that is applied in Fairplay.
The rules aren't going to all of a sudden change because Amazon comes along and wants to start a music store. They can "demand" DRM-free music all they want, and the end result will be Apple raking in more sales while they sit around patiently until they change their demands. - Phoenixfury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bitcloud. I hear you there. I think Aimee.st has an awesome business model. Those guys certainly have a lot of potential.
Another DRM free recommendation I have is Goombah. The core service isn't exactly a means to get drm free music but they do offer loads of DRM free music that sounds very professional. Heck I even had Suzanne Vega pop up amongst my free mp3's from Goombah. I even wound up getting an entire album for free that would have cost me $10 on iTunes otherwise, and guess what? It was awesome! Do a search for Michelle Albano on iTunes, it was her album that I wound up getting entirely free on Goombah. The next album that comes out by her, I'll gladly buy! I also discovered Jupiter Rising through Goombah which their freebie ultimately lead to me buying their album on iTunes. It gets pretty heavy rotation on my iPod now. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yup :)
- DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Uncle Ruckus?
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From TFA: "So far eMusic claims no interest in major label albums but could be drawn into the game if competitors begin selling unrestricted MP3s."
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The music business will find that more people will rather pay then steal DRM-free music.
Now the only catch is, will they increase the prices of the songs since now they are DRM free. - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I suspect they DO want the DRM there. It's only recently that non-tech literate people have begun to wake-up and realize what a pain DRM is. In the past, all they knew is that the only MP3 player compatible with iTunes was the iPod. Apple could have used a more open DRM standard along the lines of Plays for Sure (although I suspect they'd rather set up a competing standard than sign a deal with MS), but they didn't. Why? Because Average Joe doesn't know about the burn-and-rip workaround, so he buys an iPod instead of a Zen so he can play his iTunes music on the go.
- Bobalobabingbon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How do you suppose they go about weeding out the ones that use LimeWire like me?
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This was inevitable really. DRM has the natural effect of letting one company have control of distribution of media - even if Apple had not turned out to be the dominant DRM controller, some other company would have had a majority lock at the end.
Apple has however hastened the adoption of non-DRM by exacting terms that are not to the music industries liking, most specifically pricing. By selling non-DRM music music companies are free to sell music at any price they like to whoever they like though whatever store they like, and try to get back to the old distribution control they used to have. I think they will find buyers quickly drop off beyond the .99 price point, and return to less than legal means to obtain music...
Microsoft should have demanded that labels bring music to the store and allow it to be sold DRM free which then could have removed the restrictions on wireless sharing of the Zune. They are big enough to ask for that, and even if the store selection had been smaller because Universal and a few other studios would not participate, it would have been vastly more popular and many people would buy a Zune on principal. - cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 dangermouse75 - We need a Think Tank to figure out the obvious? Thanks for the LOL....
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amie Street is where it's at for DRM free music...
It's good cause it's RIAA free too..
kill two awful and unwelcome abbreviations in one fell swoop.
Lets welcome in "MFM" - Middleman Free Music - cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1 mscman - just cause it's easy does not make it for a very good case for DRM. Also, DRM is broken! Please say Sony Rootkit a few hundred times for me :)
- Bobalobabingbon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ JBond
I hate DRM, but i do buy music from iTunes, just not too much. Only when I can't find it on LimeWire. I don't see myself as an idiot. So stfu!! -
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